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January or February, the CPUs were not even close to releasing it makes little difference.Huh, I didn't change anything, you're clearly reading things whichever way you want.
Lisa Su showed the sample in early January, CES is usually in the first or second week of January, not February. So who's making crap up now?
Again, read what I wrote, it's easy to call anything an engineering sample, if you have never shown i to anyone outside the company before, no?
I never said something went pear shaped with the CPUs, again, your interpretation. I said "something clearly went pear shaped and at least one of the issues was the lack of chipset" which if you could read, implies that there might have been other issues than the lack of the chipset, but I don't know if this is/was the case or not.
I never mentioned the APUs, I have no knowledge about them. Please stop trying to add things in to the discussion that I have not talked about.
I also never said I have undying belief in AdoredTV's charts. I had information about Ryzen 3000 before he posted his chart. I can't share that information here though, since that might cause issues for people I'm friends with and I don't do that to friends. I have a file on my desktop from the 4th of October 2018 with full chipset specs for X570. I can share that once we pass Computex if you'd like.
I have no reason to rely on on AdoredTV, I work in the tech industry and have done for most of my life, I have my own connections and sources.
I don't know what you do for a living, but tell me something, plans never change in your job? I don't know how many times plans have changed in my various jobs that I've had since I started working. Products are delayed last minute, product specs change last minute, etc. Shit, I worked for a company that launched a product on Kickstarter, two months before the planned shipping date and with a finished product, we scrapped it, as it was crap and started over from scratch and delayed everything six months, although it ended up being a year in the end due to various reason. So yes, I do believe AMD did exactly this. Something changed in their plans and they changed the presentation at CES accordingly.
Considering how late the motherboard makers got CPU samples for Ryzen 1000, yes, it's very plausible. In fact, they only got their final ES samples this past week. AMD did a tour of the board makers in Taiwan this week and handed out samples and did some testing with the board makers. Can I prove this to you? No. But I know it happened. You can believe it or not. I'm guessing part of the reason for that is that they didn't want too many details to leak before the launch. Has the board makers had CPUs before that? Yes, they've had chips since last year, just not at the correct clock speeds. It's a great way to prevent leaks. Taiwan and China and leaky sieves when it comes to these things and let's assume the AdoredTV charts are right and AMD has a corker of a product, would they want that to leak ahead of the launch? Most likely not, as they want it to be a big surprise. I know for a fact that much of the rumours are true, but go on, feel free to doubt it, but I do hope you'll come back here an apologise in public once the products launch, if it turns out you were wrong.
I mentioned APUs as AdoredTv included every Ryzen 3000 series APU in his chart back in December alongside the CPUs, which is rather laughable on its own as these may launch in 2020 as they're getting refreshed on 12nm this year.
And in terms of plans changing, sure, but there's a difference between Kickstarter and a billion dollar company.
And my only contention is that AdoredTV's numbers are guesses or fake, as I keep repeating, 4.3Ghz base clock on a 16-core CPU is not happening, nor is 4.2Ghz base clock on a 12-core (his numbers). I will not be making a public apology regarding this as no SKU will have these base clock frequencies.
I'm anticipating boost clocks between 4.6-4.8Ghz, and if AdoredTV's figures are 'close' to these, that's no vindication at all of his chart as anyone can make an educated guess. What wasn't educated is 4.3Ghz and 4.2Ghz base clocks, which is the giveaway the numbers are fake.