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AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by Hood, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Hood

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    Hello, this is the AMD Ryzen discussion thread. Please keep things on point and civil! -Staff























    Despite generally glowing reviews, not everyone is happy with Ryzen. Hal B. wrote this review on Newegg's 1700X page;

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    [​IMG]Another Bulldozer flop.


    Pros: What pros? If I could return it for a refund would have been a pro.

    Cons: Horrible overclocking ability, 95w TDP is idle not load. Only supports low speed DDR 4 ram and only two of the four slots on all motherboards are working. I could go on and on how bad this cpu really is but that would take more than 5000 letters.

    Other Thoughts: AMD had 5 years to get this right and they blew it. Why have such a high end cpu only support dual channel and not even fully support all of the memory slots. The motherboard manufacturers all got the same data from AMD.
    I doubt this is going to get resolved and we are stuck with bad cpu's that we cannot return for a refund.
    Developers are not going to go out of their way to take the extra expense to write code to support this CPU. A few that AMD pays to do it maybe. I had to buy another motherboard from a local store so I had one ready to test since the one I ordered from Newegg won't be here until March 6th or 7th. Updated the latest bios and still only 2 memory slots are working correctly. I should have known better due to AMD's reputation "The Yugo of computer platforms". This cpu line should have been the iteration of Piledriver and code named Pileofcrap. At least I can make a file server out of it since I can't return it. Does not even deserve one egg to be honest but I can't post without an egg, so AMD gets one undeserved egg.

    If this is real, Ryzen is looking more like the typical AMD CPU release; (disappointing). Perhaps this is a rare problem, but others have mentioned RAM problems (systems will only POST at low frequencies/loose timings). Also, overclocking on Ryzen seems to be limited to 4.1-4.2 (air/water) and requires high Vcore for even that.
    I'm sure these will be useful to content creators, video editors, etc, who need many threads, but gamers/overclockers/enthusiasts will do better to stay with Intel...
     
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  2. Vario

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    Only a fool buys based on hype rather than waiting for more information. I am sure the bugs will be worked out in the future.
     
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    Sounds like a semi-newb at it all. And bitter as he lost the silicon lottery.

    Its also what happens when you buy new stuff first out of the gate. 95w TDP is not idle. Many people have had issues with the RAM, but again, buy the kit that you know works, and why does it only being DDR4 matter?


    Plus the board he ordered won't be there until later, and as someone who has built a lot of rings in the past, when a board sucks it makes the whole setup suck. Lastly, price/performance if you were expecting quad core overclocking out of a eight core, and especially given it wasn't a 1800X. He should try a P4 Willemette core or Preshott, or the difference between some of the wolfdale cores.
     
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    Guy is a blowhard.
    Everything he's bitching about was disclosed before release........and there is no guaranty on overclocking.
     
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  5. cdawall

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    Not everyone likes them. What's new? I don't like the 6700k or 7700k for huge annoying to me reasons. You know how I fixed that? I didn't buy them.
     
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    From what I see, Ryzen is very good Uarch. But the platform (mobo) currently sucks major ass.

    What Ryzen needs is time for the platform to mature. So, I am currently waiting.
     
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    Despite the bugs the performance numbers of the CPU are amazing for the money. Also there is a problem with the scheduler in win 10 that they are working to patch.
     
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    What's the point of this thread? Do you often make threads based on shit reviews found on newegg?
     
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    You know that the people who post reviews on Newegg and other purchase sites are either very happy or very unhappy with the product. Rarely are the normal satisfied and slightly dissatisfied moved enough to post a review.

    I think until we get some top quality motherboards with bugs worked out we have to take a lot of these rantings with a grain of salt.
     
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    Oh what a glorious rant! Clearly someone sold on the hype who didn't wait for the reviews.

    And yeah, 95W is load, not idle.
     
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    I don't mind if that guy want to trade that crappy 1700X with my awesome Q9450, I'll throw in a 1GB flashdrive as a bonus
     
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    Hardly ever. It just struck me that, with all the positive reviews, hardly anyone is talking about the bugs and platform limitations. So, the point of my thread was to warn people whose enthusiasm for Ryzen may cause them to overlook these problems, resulting in more complaints from disappointed buyers like Hal B. Half the reviews for the 1800x have titles like "Please know what you are buying". I think a lot of gamers will buy these before they realize they're not really optimum for gaming, just because it's a great new chip from AMD. The more cautious will wait for the platform to mature, which I believe it will, unlike the hapless Hal B.
    Also, it's a slow Sunday and there are no new articles/hardware reviews to read, so I wanted to start a discussion about Ryzen, which seems to be on everyone's radar now (including mine; I still build systems for people occaisionally, and need to know about all the viable options and price points).
     
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  13. xkm1948

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    RyZen has solid improvements over faildozer. Good power efficiency and good pricing. I really see no reason of bashing the product.


    And No f*ucks are given to some newegger who has less than 2 ozs of grey matter in their brain.
     
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    Ryzen didn't flop at all, it did what was shown. One guy said on a stream gamers are crazy people, and they are the ones most disappointed. I'm glad AMD made the strongest of their lineup available up front, and withhold Ryzen 5 and 3. They can use the time until release for fixing the problems and other nitpicks that were on launch day. At the end of the day I think we haven't seen anything yet.

    For those that are mad should just chill and wait for the tweaked release of Ryzen+ or whatever it was called.

    What the guy said on that review was just him being mad after having a Bulldozer chip. Those people that gamed on these CPU's felt burnt, just because Intel chips had higher Single-Thread performance.

    I hope AMD pushes more towards optimized Multi-Threaded game applications. I'm sick and tired of playing console ports, I feel like a peasant.

    And who the hell in the right mind buys an i7 7700K strictly for gaming? Apparently someone not knowing the i5 does just as well in gaming, why spend an extra 100 bucks for some FPS, especially if you're playing in 1080p.

    AMD was shown that streamers should be happy with Ryzen 7.

    I knew for several years that Ryzen was going to have gaming performance comparable to a Haswell i5 or better. That's what some intelligent people expected, and said they would still buy the chip so long as it has great Multi-Thread performance.

    So much bit**ing from people, nobody forced you to buy/pre-order the thing. Should have waited for the benchmarks.
     
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    LOL, he's complaining about that POS asus MB and doesn't know the difference.
     
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    I think we wish it was that simple. People in the tech world can't be this dumb.... Can they?

    I think I shouldn't be surprised though, I'm 22 now, and seen some dumb crap in my lifetime that people do, I wonder what's next in store for me.

    It's nice that OP started this thread. But it looks like most people here are just telling off the guy with the review, it wasn't the intention of the thread, but I guess I should get used to the trolling.

    After all this, people are going crazy because we're finally seeing some competition? Damn. Most new hardware launches are bumpy, it has been this way for decades and someone is surprised? What...

    After looking through all the benchmarks on YouTube, it was a rollercoaster of feelings for me. I'm still getting the Ryzen 5 after all that.

    I want to support the company that actually innovates and picks up slack after Intel. Imagine what Intel with their budget could do if they remade the silicon to be nothing like the predecessor CPU's. You can trace their CPU's back to be mostly based off of a Pentium 3 die with more cores. They took a step back because the Pentium 4 couldn't do shit to the Athlon 64 X2 (some people didn't also forget how Intel manipulated benchmarks back then). But then the Core 2 happened and the rest is history.

    Nah, Intel is fine selling CPU's with marginal improvements over their predecessors for stupid prices in the i3/i5/i7 series. I do realize that silicon is now starting to stretch it's limits but come on. And I have to admit it's not like AMD offered good competition for a long time.

    What time to be alive. All I can see on the internet is a bunch of people with their trigger fingers on keyboards. I feel better by staying away from such things. They are like farts, they linger for a while and then they disperse somewhere else.

    So yeah, I will be sitting out and see how all this plays out. It's not like people are getting killed from liking a brand, haha. Oh wait...

    The future seems kind of ****ed. I didn't think it would all turn out this way 18 years ago but it did.
     
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    I think threads like this should be taken down, for the simple fact that techpowerup hasn't done a review of Ryzen yet. And people come here looking for info on ryzen, for them to base it off some noob Review at New egg............
     
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    I feel like everyone is being incredibly critical on new hardware. I get that it was hyped to be this and that, but the people that followed the hype expected more than AMD was hyping in my opinion. I was expecting a competitor to intel CPU's and honestly just overall better performance in games and in programs I use, or at least something that matched without the price tag. For the most part that's what I got. I basically got a 6900k for a fraction of the cost. Gaming could be better but even I know that this stuff takes a tremendous amount of time to optimize for (hasn't it ALWAYS been like this for whatever CPU, MoBo, Ram, whatever the hell youre going for?) So before I know I will get an update and holy crap everything runs at higher fps or renders faster etc. I don't know. Positive thinking?
     
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    Of course it couldn't be an Intel employee.
     
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    It has been out for 4 days, why is it not a more mature platform than the 115x dynasty (released 2009) yet???
     
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    lol this nailed it.
     
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    Some people fail to see potential... nothing you can do to prove em wrong but enjoy it for yourself.

    Not to mention all of the gaming on win 7 seems to be +20% win 10 so there is likely a patch inbound.
     
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    Hahahaaaaaa, made my day. Thanks.
     
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