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Well, in the best case 6-7% performance increase and up to 15% in the cherry-picked best case apps.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Especially that Zen 4 will come a few weeks later.
 
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I guess they could release something on paper in Q2, a full lineup (& volumes) should be available no earlier than Q4 IMO.
 
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it's only a matter of time before massive L3 caches become a norm if not a necessity for big IPC gains!
Probaby true, larger caches are the way forward - but an expensive one. SRAM scales very poorly with new nodes, for example, TSMC N3 will deliver a 1.7× increase in logic density but only a 1.2× increase in SRAM cell density relative to TSMC N5.
 
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Well, in the best case 6-7% performance increase and up to 15% in the cherry-picked best case apps.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
Especially that Zen 4 will come a few weeks later.
I dont think it matters when zen4 is coming and that is definitely not few weeks.
6-7% is your guess I think it will be higher. Up to 15% AVERAGE performance increase according to WCFFTECH. It will look different across the board and I can bet, gaming will gain the most from the V-cache.
 
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I dont think it matters when zen4 is coming and that is definitely not few weeks.
6-7% is your guess I think it will be higher. Up to 15% AVERAGE performance increase according to WCFFTECH. It will look different across the board and I can bet, gaming will gain the most from the V-cash.

It really doesn't matter.

The real reason for the weak CPU sales is the GPUs unavailability and scalper pricing.

No one in the right mind builds a new full system today.

And it will probably get only worse.
 
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It really doesn't matter.

The real reason for the weak CPU sales is the GPUs unavailability and scalper pricing.

No one in the right mind builds a new full system today.

And it will probably get only worse.
Well that is my point from my previous post. How is the sales weak? What shows it is weak because I clearly don't see it as weak sales.
 
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Even if, worst-case, it's only 6-7% faster, then it doesn't matter as long as the performance/$ is there.

Vermeer-S is unlikely to persuade people to buy into an end-of-line AM4 platform if they're building a new machine from scratch so it's not really competing with Alder Lake that requires a new board anyway. It's going to be something that AMD can show to shareholders as "it's as fast as Alder Lake in X tests out of Y" and it's going to be the fastest thing that AM4 owners will be able to use so they might as well pick up the faster Vermeer-S instead of the original Zen3.

If Vermeer-S is prohibitively expensive to make then it'll be a flop, because if you're not the fastest at any price, then you need to compete on price and the competition will be the existing Zen3 lineup.
 
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gaming will gain the most from the V-cash.
Easy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to us :pimp:
Vermeer-S is unlikely to persuade people to buy into an end-of-line AM4 platform
There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!
 
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Easy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to us
ahhh to fast to furious :D

There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!
There's plenty of options. Zen3d is on an older platform this will be a cheaper option either way than anything with DDR5. Plust AM4 has stability, maturity that kinda stuff.
 
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That's an enormous drop, time to sell AMD stock.
 
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Easy there, AMD's not handing any cash piles to us :pimp:

There's always one more option ~ AMD lowering prices of zen3 chips. I know it's unlikely they'll do it to the extent with zen+ or zen2 chips but if they lower it more than expected I bet ADL sales will be hit hard. Remember AM4 platform's still cheaper & perfectly good enough for 90% of the market. ADL is really expensive at the top end, with lower prices AMD will compete a lot more at the mid/low end range of course only if they want to!
ADL right now is a mix of new and old technologies because you can't put together an ADL + DDR5 system, and you won't be able to in the foreseeable future. (Unless Intel starts making those pesky PMICs yesterday, in large quantities, which would actually be wise.) I think a lot of enthusiast builders are put off by this fact alone, no matter how good ADL + DDR4 systems can be.
 

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I don't think that Vermeer-S will be more than 1-2% faster than Vermeer non-S at 3840x2160 games maxed out.

Well that is my point from my previous post. How is the sales weak? What shows it is weak because I clearly don't see it as weak sales.

15,000 against 36,000 last November? You think sales are not weak? They are disastrously bad!
 
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These are bad sales? 70% CPUs sold is from AMD vs 30% Intel. How is that bad? Yeah they have sold less than previous months but it is still way over Intel's Maybe the demand has dropped but AMD is still outselling Intel big time.

Intel has not had 30% of Mindfactory's CPU sales since June of 2019. It's also significant given they lost most of the first week of Nov, and the fact that all of the AL sales are going to be using a high end Z690. It will be a lot more interesting to see the impact when midrange and lower end B660/H670/H610 boards become available.

Mindfactory is of course, mostly a barometer of enthusiast / DIY sales, not overall.

Two other movers on that chart for Intel were the 10400F and 11400F.
 
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I find it fascinating out here in the states as well.... A ton of people must have AM4 motherboards because even though the 12600k and 12700k tend to be much better buys in their price category people still seem to be buying Ryzen instead for the most part.

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On a side note Newegg shoppers seem way more in the know than amazon ones..... The 3600 is a terrible buy guessing people with B350/X370 boards might be opting for it.
 
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I find it fascinating out here in the states as well.... A ton of people must have AM4 motherboards because even though the 12600k and 12700k tend to be much better buys in their price category people still seem to be buying Ryzen instead for the most part.

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On a side note Newegg shoppers seem way more in the know than amazon ones..... The 3600 is a terrible buy guessing people with B350/X370 boards might be opting for it.

Intel's AL release is very limited due to the Z690 and the type of motherboards released, and that is probably by design. We may see a whole different landscape in a couple of months.

Take myself as an example. I have a mATX case and motherboard. I can fit ITX and mATX, nothing larger.

Here are my choices at Newegg (shipped and sold by - I don't do 3rd tier) - Note that the STRIX is a DDR5 motherboard, and I can't get DDR5 :

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Here's my choices at Microcenter - again the Strix is a DDR5 only motherboard, the Gigabyte is a less desirable for me ITX:

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Best Buy has nothing but ATX and eATX.

From a value perspective, I have no choices. I either buy an overpriced ITX board, or nothing, as I don't see DDR5 being an option right now with virtually no supply.

I would actually be better off buying a new case. I don't really want a full size ATX though, and I'm not interested in paying for a high end ITX motherboard that I would just throw into my perfectly fine mATX case.

In the end I'm mostly playing newegg shuffle for a 3060Ti and waiting for Intel's midrange chipsets :)
 
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Intel's AL release is very limited due to the Z690 and the type of motherboards released, and that is probably by design. We may see a whole different landscape in a couple of months.

Take myself as an example. I have a mATX case and motherboard. I can fit ITX and mATX, nothing larger.

Here are my choices at Newegg (shipped and sold by - I don't do 3rd tier) - Note that the STRIX is a DDR5 motherboard, and I can't get DDR5 :

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Here's my choices at Microcenter - again the Strix is a DDR5 only motherboard, the Gigabyte is a less desirable for me ITX:

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Best Buy has nothing but ATX and eATX.

From a value perspective, I have no choices. I either buy an overpriced ITX board, or nothing, as I don't see DDR5 being an option right now with virtually no supply.

I would actually be better off buying a new case. I don't really want a full size ATX though, and I'm not interested in paying for a high end ITX motherboard that I would just throw into my perfectly fine mATX case.

In the end I'm mostly playing newegg shuffle for a 3060Ti and waiting for Intel's midrange chipsets :)

I definitely think having to adopt a whole new platform and there being some misconceptions over heat output have hurt Alderlake...... Also DDR5 being very expensive and almost vaporware doesn't help not to mention only beneficial in select workloads. Honestly if DDR5 had a huge uplift I would have replaced my 5800X based system with a 12700k in a heartbeat but now just playing the waiting game till DDR5 performs meaningfully better than DDR4.

I still almost couldn't help myself I grabbed a 48 inch oled to use as a monitor to dissuade myself from buying a 1200 usd motherboard lmao.

Good luck on the 3060Ti

My buddy waited a whole year in the EVGA queue but he finally got a 3080 for $910.... I told him that was basically a unicorn card :laugh:
 
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All right, 12 weeks.

"A few" - used to emphasize how small the number is
a few meaning - Google Search
Just get over yourself with the google searches; first you incorrectly use that clichee about one swallow, (not a bird) not making spring(not summer) come and now with the "few weeks" google search;
What is that all about, is that your supreme argument, or what? Are you implying that you're such a scholar that people can't understand your bright ideas unless they google?
Nowhere in the english language has few ever meant over 5 whatevers, it was at it's highest a single digit affair, so you probably meant "a few months" 'cause 12 weeks is not "a few" weeks, 12 is not a small number when it comes to months/weeks.
 
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i mean the other part of the story is you can jam a 5600G/X on an $50 cheapass B450 and be fine, which is always a decent option when you're on a budget tbh
 
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Our biggest retailer top 10 CPUs. 3x Intel (cheapest ones), 7x AMD up to 600 USD ones! Kinda surprised me.

Also electricity is kinda expensive here and AMD is pretty good in that aspect (I have it atm in HTPC, it has consumption of few LED lightbulbs). Intel delivers computing power, but at price of serious electricity bill.
 

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I don't think that Vermeer-S will be more than 1-2% faster than Vermeer non-S at 3840x2160 games maxed out.



15,000 against 36,000 last November? You think sales are not weak? They are disastrously bad!
Because the GPU is the limit at 4K, always

the covid parts shortage is what's hurt them, some products (low end) have been out of stock for some time now
 
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It's insane the difference between the ryzen x600 and the xx400f, considering price and performance. And this is going on for some time. People are not buying smart, they are buying the ryzen brand.

Sure some may got a deal on a sale, but that's a small minority like me, not everybody like we see there.
 
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