AMD sales hit 80% for mindfactory.de

[r9]

People are sheep.
They'll read the fastest CPU is AMD and they'll buy any AMD cpu. It was no different when Intel was on top.
But now for example you can get i7 11700k for $199 at microcenter and all pick that over 5600x any day.

 

[ratirt]

No problem with availability in Norway. Every store has it in stock. Price differ sometimes from store to store.

Those 500 units don't show the true demand, which may be 1000 or 2000 units, which is still a far cry from properly supplying an 84-million population.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D is just a late, overpriced, niche premium product which very few will ever get.

Why is it overpriced? It has the MSRP just like the 5800x. If you're talking about the 'just released' prices being a bit higher then that is expected. These will drop for sure.

 

[ARF]

Why is it overpriced?

Because AMD desperately wants someone's money.
I think its true value is not higher than 350$ and even that is questionable.

But now for example you can get i7 11700k for $199 at microcenter and all pick that over 5600x any day.

 

[ratirt]

Because AMD desperately wants someone's money.
I think its true value is not higher than 350$ and even that is questionable.

How is it AMD wants everyone's money? Because they have released a product that means they want your money and everyone else's?
Well if you dont think it is worth to buy this one for gaming for $450 or whatever the price is in your region, you don't have to buy it. A lot of people including massive number of reviewers say it is pretty solid in comparison to the best Intel value. In my opinion, it is pretty solid product for gaming of course considering 5800x MSRP price, the gaming performance increase in general is substantial.

 

[r9]

How is it AMD wants everyone's money? Because they have released a product that means they want your money and everyone else's?
Well if you dont think it is worth to buy this one for gaming for $450 or whatever the price is in your region, you don't have to buy it. A lot of people including massive number of reviewers say it is pretty solid in comparison to the best Intel value. In my opinion, it is pretty solid product for gaming of course considering 5800x MSRP price, the gaming performance increase in general is substantial.

One is not better then the other.
It's just AMD offered best bang for the buck for so long but that's only because they didn't have best of anything really, but now the tables have turned.
Forget the CPU prices look at the AMD motherboard prices. In the past AMD boards were half the price of Inter boards but now AMD is cashing on that as well.
Just don't glorify anyone as they both are in it to make money simple as that.
It's all demand and supply if people keep handing their cash to AMD at the current prices why would they even think about lowering the prices it's all about maximizing the profits.

 

[ARF]

That is such a trivial manipulation - has a reviewer been honest and say for any product - no, it is bad, don't buy it?
The truth comes only from the independent buyers.

And yes, I don't think it is worth it. I game at 3840x2160 with Ryzen 9 5900X..

 

[Chomiq]

That is such a trivial manipulation - has a reviewer been honest and say for any product - no, it is bad, don't buy it?
The truth comes only from the independent buyers.

And yes, I don't think it is worth it. I game at 3840x2160 with Ryzen 9 5900X..

You must have missed @W1zzard review:

Overall, I really like what AMD has done with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. The technology is impressive. The problem is that the processor is quite expensive. According to AMD, it will sell for $450, which is $100 higher than the Ryzen 7 5800X that is already a highly capable gaming machine, and a better choice for gaming than the 5900X due to its single CCD design. Strong competition comes from Intel's Core i7-12700K ($385), and even the i5-12600K will offer good gaming performance for $260. On the other hand, if you're only looking for gaming performance and have been eyeing the Core i9-12900K ($600) or 12900KS ($750), the 5800X3D is definitely worth considering. Its gaming performance is "close enough," and its lower application performance won't make any difference for most gamers. A huge benefit over Intel's Alder Lake offerings is that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is drop-in compatible with virtually any AM4 motherboard. This means you can continue using the motherboard and DDR4 memory you already have. Reinstalling Windows isn't necessary, either—it's fire and forget. AMD's next generation of Zen 4 processors releases this year, with DDR5 and PCI-Express 5.0—no doubt, it'll be an expensive platform at first, too, just like Intel's 12th generation. Considering that, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D launched fairly late in the game, but that gives it the potential to become a final option for current owners of an AM4 Ryzen setup to hold out just a bit longer with one final upgrade, and its price may drop into the sub-$400 region by then.

On topic of market share/demand. Price wise 5800X3D is what? 56% more expensive than 5800x currently (1599 PLN vs 2499 PLN)? For how much performance? 20-something max at 1080p? I'd rather wait for 5800X to drop back again to 1499 PLN (Amazon.pl price on 4/20).

 

[Mr Bill]

People are sheep.
They'll read the fastest CPU is AMD and they'll buy any AMD cpu. It was no different when Intel was on top.
But now for example you can get i7 11700k for $199 at microcenter and all pick that over 5600x any day.

Yes, they can keep the video cards, especially since I don't game, I'll take this any day over a crazy expensive card.

 

[ratirt]

One is not better then the other.
It's just AMD offered best bang for the buck for so long but that's only because they didn't have best of anything really, but now the tables have turned.
Forget the CPU prices look at the AMD motherboard prices. In the past AMD boards were half the price of Inter boards but now AMD is cashing on that as well.
Just don't glorify anyone as they both are in it to make money simple as that.
It's all demand and supply if people keep handing their cash to AMD at the current prices why would they even think about lowering the prices it's all about maximizing the profits.

Ok so what are you saying. Intel's products are still overpriced and AMD should lower the price or maybe Intel now has also lowered its pricing and now they are going head to head?
I don't understand an argument 'was best bang for the buck' so if Intel settles on a lower price then AMD has to be even lower. That's a foolish statement. First it says that AMD is inferior to Intel's products which is silly, second It says that Intel's product should be overpriced.
Dude, show me please, show me one board manufactured by AMD. Just one I beg you.

That is such a trivial manipulation - has a reviewer been honest and say for any product - no, it is bad, don't buy it?
The truth comes only from the independent buyers.

And yes, I don't think it is worth it. I game at 3840x2160 with Ryzen 9 5900X..

I game at 4k as well and I got 5800x. if gaming at 4k would have been my only objective I could have gone for 5600x instead. Maybe you have chosen wrong with the 5900x since you play 4k unless, you do other stuff on the hardware than gaming.

 

[r9]

Ok so what are you saying. Intel's products are still overpriced and AMD should lower the price or maybe Intel now has also lowered its pricing and now they are going head to head?
I don't understand an argument 'was best bang for the buck' so if Intel settles on a lower price then AMD has to be even lower. That's a foolish statement. First it says that AMD is inferior to Intel's products which is silly, second It says that Intel's product should be overpriced.
Dude, show me please, show me one board manufactured by AMD. Just one I beg you.


I game at 4k as well and I got 5800x. if gaming at 4k would have been my only objective I could have gone for 5600x instead. Maybe you have chosen wrong with the 5900x since you play 4k unless, you do other stuff on the hardware than gaming.

You don't understand the concept of "best bang for the buck"/'value" ??.
It means you get more for your money with Intel in multiple price ranges.
And talking about product inferiority no tech in the right state of mind would pick AMD over Intel based machines in the corporate world.
If you don't mind to fiddle with stuff being the "enthusiast" you are sure AMD are super fun but when you just need something to work out of the box you go with Intel simple as that.

 

[ratirt]

You don't understand the concept of "best bang for the buck"/'value" ??.
It means you get more for your money with Intel in multiple price ranges.
And talking about product inferiority no tech in the right state of mind would pick AMD over Intel based machines in the corporate world.
If you don't mind to fiddle with stuff being the "enthusiast" you are sure AMD are super fun but when you just need something to work out of the box you go with Intel simple as that.

You made me laugh literally.
I do understand and yet you say AMD should lower prices since it has always been cheaper. How about this question (since you have omitted the show me a board AMD produces) Why would AMD lower prices for CPUs, if in my opinion and many other's, AMD stays competitive to Intel's products? Because it has always been cheaper? or what is the reason?
With the bang for buck/value, you have mentioned, what would AMD have to do to make you buy whatever product of them sort and/or what should have the price be for you to consider AMD competitive?
Just out of curiosity. Remember that would leave Intel in the dust and now we see how close these two companies are fighting for customers right? or not right?
BTW. I went with AMD and it works straight out of the box no problems. Is that OK or it has to be otherwise? Because that 'feature' is only reserved for Intel?

 

[Vya Domus]

They can't even keep the boxed one in stock.

So does that mean it sold well or not ? On one hand it's too expensive, on the other one it's out of stock ?

It's obvious the 5800X3D is a low volume product, they'd never expect to sell many because not many people want them in the first place. I wouldn't, rather get a 5900X, I couldn't care less it gets me a couple more frames in games that already run perfectly with a ton of headroom anyway, I'd rather get more cores. High end CPUs have never exactly been in high demand, people don't care so much about expensive CPUs as they do about GPUs for instance.

Ironically the 5800X3D is targeted at people with the same mentality of those Intel fanboys that used to scream on every corner that Intel is better because you can get 350FPS in CSGO instead of 300FPS and that's so much better so it's worth the price premium and things like that.

 

[r9]

You made me laugh literally.
I do understand and yet you say AMD should lower prices since it has always been cheaper. How about this question (since you have omitted the show me a board AMD produces) Why would AMD lower prices for CPUs, if in my opinion and many other's, AMD stays competitive to Intel's products? Because it has always been cheaper? or what is the reason?
With the bang for buck/value, you have mentioned, what would AMD have to do to make you buy whatever product of them sort and/or what should have the price be for you to consider AMD competitive?
Just out of curiosity. Remember that would leave Intel in the dust and now we see how close these two companies are fighting for customers right? or not right?
BTW. I went with AMD and it works straight out of the box no problems. Is that OK or it has to be otherwise?

Aren't you a complex little fella..
Let me quote myself here:
"Just don't glorify anyone as they both are in it to make money simple as that.
It's all demand and supply if people keep handing their cash to AMD at the current prices why would they even think about lowering the prices it's all about maximizing the profits."
Tell me where exactly I said AMD or Intel should do anything ?
All I said was there is no Good or Bad guy it's all about making money and with the product they have AMD and Intel swapped roles.
Only way I ever picked CPU or GPU was perf summary and compare that to at what money I can buy each product. I never cared if it was Intel, AMD or NVIDIA.
I mostly would end up picking AMD GPU and CPU just because AMD did offer better value but I was never under illusion that they were the "Good guys".

 

[ratirt]

So does that mean it sold well or not ? On one hand it's too expensive, on the other one it's out of stock ?

It's obvious the 5800X3D is a low volume product, they don't expect to sell many because not many people want them in the first place. High end CPUs have never exactly been in high demand, people don't care so much about expensive CPUs as they do about GPUs for instance.

I disagree. There is plenty available in Norway. Maybe here people are more conservative with purchasing new hardware just because it's out. Or nobody cares about minor difference considering what they already have. Or in their use case scenario it will not make much difference. That is me BTW. I play 4k and it makes no sense for me to go 5800x3d. At least now.

Aren't you a complex little fella..
Let me quote myself here:
"Just don't glorify anyone as they both are in it to make money simple as that.
It's all demand and supply if people keep handing their cash to AMD at the current prices why would they even think about lowering the prices it's all about maximizing the profits."
Tell me where exactly I said AMD or Intel should do anything ?
All I said was there is no Good or Bad guy it's all about making money and with the product they have AMD and Intel swapped roles.
Only way I ever picked CPU or GPU was perf summary and compare that to at what money I can buy each product. I never cared if it was Intel, AMD or NVIDIA.
I mostly would end up picking AMD GPU and CPU just because AMD did offer better value but I was never under illusion that they were the "Good guys".

If it is about the money then why do we have that conversation and bank for buck AMD should always be?
I really dont care what you pick up honestly. But stop saying crazy irrelevant things making it a valuable reasoning because it is not.
Your preference is your own. I remember Intel had to lower price of them products due to AMD being competitive. Why would AMD lower prices now? You havent answered that question either.
Besides it is a market and there are plenty of products one can be competitive and have more value than the other and I bet you it will shift as it always do. Generalizing back for the buck for AMD being always cheap and should stay that way is silly.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Aren't you a complex little fella..
Let me quote myself here:
"Just don't glorify anyone as they both are in it to make money simple as that.
It's all demand and supply if people keep handing their cash to AMD at the current prices why would they even think about lowering the prices it's all about maximizing the profits."
Tell me where exactly I said AMD or Intel should do anything ?
All I said was there is no Good or Bad guy it's all about making money and with the product they have AMD and Intel swapped roles.
Only way I ever picked CPU or GPU was perf summary and compare that to at what money I can buy each product. I never cared if it was Intel, AMD or NVIDIA.
I mostly would end up picking AMD GPU and CPU just because AMD did offer better value but I was never under illusion that they were the "Good guys".

Problem is, everyone sees AMD as the good guy, underdog, and Intel as the bad guy. They are both in it to make money and don't give a shit about us.

Ratirt you need to check you spelling/grammar, it is bang for buck, not bank

 

[Vya Domus]

I disagree. There is plenty available in Norway. Maybe here people are more conservative with purchasing new hardware just because it's out. Or nobody cares about minor difference considering what they already have. Or in their use case scenario it will not make much difference. That is me BTW. I play 4k and it makes no sense for me to go 5800x3d. At least now.

I edited my comment, I don't care about the difference either, rather get something with more cores for the same money. The point I'm making is that the 5800X3D is a low volume product aimed at a miniscule segment of the market that is willing to pay a premium for a couple of %, who cares if it sells well or not, it's completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[ratirt]

Problem is, everyone sees AMD as the good guy, underdog, and Intel as the bad guy. They are both in it to make money and don't give a shit about us.

Ratirt you need to check you spelling/grammar, it is bang for buck, not bank

I disagree. They are being competitive and people see value here. That is my point. You don't have to agree with it but you can't say that people go for AMD because they feel sorry for the company being an underdog. That's not true. These days are over and we all remember them.

 

[Chomiq]

So does that mean it sold well or not ? On one hand it's too expensive, on the other one it's out of stock ?

It's obvious the 5800X3D is a low volume product, they'd never expect to sell many because not many people want them in the first place. High end CPUs have never exactly been in high demand, people don't care so much about expensive CPUs as they do about GPUs for instance.

Remember 3300X?

4 stores have 5800X3D in stock in Poland:
x-kom.pl (had them since launch, initial price around €499, now it's at €532)
morele.net (finally received stock a week ago, €532)
komputronik.pl (same as above)
proline.pl (€521 but with charges for payment method and shipping)

Out of the four only morele.net has stock details listed, 30 units.

Those CPUs are not flying off the shelves, at least not after launch day.

 

[ratirt]

I edited my comment, I don't care about the difference either, rather get something with more cores for the same money. The point I'm making is that the 5800X3D is a low volume product aimed at a miniscule segment of the market that is willing to pay a premium for a couple of %, who cares if it sells well or not, it's completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not sure about the premium. 5800x MSRP is literally the same as 5800x3d is now (well the price differ but still same price) How is it premium? Was 5800x a premium product when released? To be fair, the percentage of performance increase at 1080p and 1440p vs 5800x is substantial. It is definitely not couple of %. Gaming only that is. we all know what the situation is with other.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Maybe it's just down to the fact that only us types will buy these. Most normal PC users either don't know or don't care what CPU is in their PCs. There really is not a lot of us types out there.

 

[Vya Domus]

Remember 3300X?

4 stores have 5800X3D in stock in Poland:
x-kom.pl (had them since launch, initial price around €499, now it's at €532)
morele.net (finally received stock a week ago, €532)
komputronik.pl (same as above)
proline.pl (€521 but with charges for payment method and shipping)

Out of the four only morele.net has stock details listed, 30 units.

Those CPUs are not flying off the shelves, at least not after launch day.

Again, what am I to gather from that ? Look at those mindfactory charts again, the 5950X (which is actually more expensive) sold more than the 5800X3D, now why did those people choose the 5950X ? After all the 5800X3D is faster in games and cheaper, even if you argue that it's too expensive the truth is that it's still a better deal than the 5950X if you really only care about gaming.

It's because of what I've said, the people who care about getting the highest FPS possible are in a minuscule minority, of course these things never fly off the shelves.

 

[Chomiq]

Look at those mindfactory charts again, the 5950X (which is actually more expensive) sold more than the 5800X3D, now why did those people choose the 5950X ?

Surely it has nothing to do with 5950X dropping its price to around €532?

 

[Vya Domus]

Surely it has nothing to do with 5950X dropping its price to around €532?

But everywhere I look the 5800X3D is still cheaper, or a the very least extremely close.

 

[Mr Bill]

Maybe it's just down to the fact that only us types will buy these. Most normal PC users either don't know or don't care what CPU is in their PCs. There really is not a lot of us types out there.

As a non-gamer, I care more about the CPU than GPU. I still use the i7 4790K with the ASRock Z97 Extreme 4 with 32 gig of ram, this setup probably would not be to good for todays games "which I know nothing about" but for small business and surfing the web, it smokes! But that i7 11700K, board and ram combo at Micro Center sure is tempting, but with what I use my PC for, I probably would not see $500.00 worth of performance.

 

[r9]

I disagree. There is plenty available in Norway. Maybe here people are more conservative with purchasing new hardware just because it's out. Or nobody cares about minor difference considering what they already have. Or in their use case scenario it will not make much difference. That is me BTW. I play 4k and it makes no sense for me to go 5800x3d. At least now.


If it is about the money then why do we have that conversation and bank for buck AMD should always be?
I really dont care what you pick up honestly. But stop saying crazy irrelevant things making it a valuable reasoning because it is not.
Your preference is your own. I remember Intel had to lower price of them products due to AMD being competitive. Why would AMD lower prices now? You havent answered that question either.
Besides it is a market and there are plenty of products one can be competitive and have more value than the other and I bet you it will shift as it always do. Generalizing back for the buck for AMD being always cheap and should stay that way is silly.

5800X3D $449
11700k $199
5800X3d is only 2.5-3% faster but not overclockable where 11700k offers 8% extra performance from overclocking.
So to sum it up 5800X3D is 2.2x times MORE EXPENSIVE and it's 5% SLOWER in both gaming and productivity.
The ONLY reason to buy 5800X3D is if you are AMD fanboy or you just don't know how to use google.