• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Socket AM5 an LGA of 1,718 Pins with DDR5 and PCIe Gen 4

Joined
Jul 3, 2019
Messages
300 (0.17/day)
Location
Bulgaria
Processor 6700K
Motherboard M8G
Cooling D15S
Memory 16GB 3k15
Video Card(s) 2070S
Storage 850 Pro
Display(s) U2410
Case Core X2
Audio Device(s) ALC1150
Power Supply Seasonic
Mouse Razer
Keyboard Logitech
Software 21H2
It seems to me, one of the main reasons to not opt for PCIe 5.0 is platform cost.
This might aswell end up been a good move by AMD, despite the complaints by some folks.
 
Last edited:

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,001 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
One cooler mount for AM5 or LGA1700?
We can but dream...

PCIE 5.0 is for DirectStorage
Seemingly not this time around. Could be fake though.
And if I'm reading that correctly, Intel will have support for three generations of PCIe on a single platform.



Tell that to foxconn. Also, it's helluvalot more pins, so if LGA1150 is easy to mess up, then this gold-plated bristle on a whooping 1718 pins is going to be even thinner and even less durable.
But the physical socket is also bigger...

I never bend any socket or CPU pin. How can anybody be so untalented?
Maybe there are people out there poking nose and eyes eveytime washing their face,
or cutting themselves everytime they use a knife.
Maybe some people do not have the ability to get in the state of being calm and just don´t break anything.
I guess you've never dropped anything in your entire life either?

Pci 5 at the moment it seems pointless in the consumer market, even prosumer. There is no gpu able to saturate even the pci 3.0 16x and current nvmes offer plenty of sequential speed, random iops increase is what we need.
Even 8k uncompressed raw video cannot saturate pci 4 nvme speeds. Considering the future cost of ddr5, storage and gpu I'd rather save some money on the motherboard.
And PCIe 5.0 will have even more reduced PCB trace length, which will require ever more expensive redrivers to maintain signal integrity...
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 1, 2020
Messages
2,015 (1.54/day)
Location
Bulgaria
And PCIe 5.0 will have even more reduced PCB trace length, which will require ever more expensive redrivers to maintain signal integrity..
I think that all of system requirements for the signal are adopted in advance to existing MB's PCB wiring?
 

newtekie1

Semi-Retired Folder
Joined
Nov 22, 2005
Messages
28,472 (4.25/day)
Location
Indiana, USA
Processor Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz
Motherboard AsRock Z470 Taichi
Cooling Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans
Memory 32GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super
Storage 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache
Display(s) Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28"
Case Fractal Design Define S
Audio Device(s) Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
I find damaging socket pins easier. But 1718 pins on a PGA I'd probably end up messing up too.
Easier but less likely. If I drop a modern CPU, the pins are bent I guarantee it if the pins are on the CPU. I gotta hit the socket exactly to damage those pins, and that isn't likely.
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,194 (3.86/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
Not sure I'm in a hurry to see PCIe 5.0 just yet; SSDs are barely using the PCIe 4.0 and that assumes you have a high end one, you're doing raw sequential transfers, and that you're using the SLC cache. Realistically it's not that easy to tell whether a machine is on PCIe 4.0 or SATA SSDs in blind testing without running a sequential benchmark.

The reason I'm anti-PCIe 5.0 right now is cost. PCIe 4.0 came at a pretty significant price hike over PCIe 3.0 boards. B450 vs B550 is a pretty good example of 50+% cost increase across all vendors, and the two boards are very similar if you ignore the +1 increment on the PCIe version.
 
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Messages
1,972 (0.30/day)
Location
Toronto, Ontario
System Name The Expanse
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5003 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.B
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB (24.3.1)
Storage WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 14TB
Display(s) LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz
Case Fractal Design Meshify S2
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless
Power Supply Corsair AX850 Titanium
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RGB SE
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
Benchmark Scores 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c
No word on heatsink compatibility...


You are using AMD64 right now, even on an Intel CPU.
Ignorant shills...
lol shills that can't spell that would be AMDDI. Not sure what is going on these days but the amount of shill post and clueless post have increase 1000x than what i'm use to seeing on this site.

Not sure I'm in a hurry to see PCIe 5.0 just yet; SSDs are barely using the PCIe 4.0 and that assumes you have a high end one, you're doing raw sequential transfers, and that you're using the SLC cache. Realistically it's not that easy to tell whether a machine is on PCIe 4.0 or SATA SSDs in blind testing without running a sequential benchmark.

The reason I'm anti-PCIe 5.0 right now is cost. PCIe 4.0 came at a pretty significant price hike over PCIe 3.0 boards. B450 vs B550 is a pretty good example of 50+% cost increase across all vendors, and the two boards are very similar if you ignore the +1 increment on the PCIe version.

Agreed PCIe 5.0 will have high power requirements and for the majority of consumer hardware and workflows we are not PCIe bottlenecked. The benefit for the Server market and high end workstations are there.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
6,728 (1.68/day)
Maybe they got tired of all the "horror stories" of people ripping(?) their CPUs while trying to remove it from the socket, hence LGA :shadedshu:

Shame it's not 1717 pins. Totally nerd out to that lol.
I'm sure you can remove that extra pin, or two, without killing your system :laugh:
 
Joined
Jul 16, 2014
Messages
8,115 (2.29/day)
Location
SE Michigan
System Name Dumbass
Processor AMD Ryzen 7800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF gaming B650
Cooling Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm
Memory G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb
Storage Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black
Display(s) 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9)
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans
Audio Device(s) onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1
Power Supply Corsair HX1000i
Mouse Steeseries Esports Wireless
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software windows 10 H
Benchmark Scores https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2
For consumers we dont need PCI-E 5.0 really.
what we need or dont need doesnt matter as much was what we want. :D
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,470 (1.45/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
If you are somehow unable to not damage pins on CPU/MOBO leave it to a shop or someone qualified to do it for you then (that goes for untalented people as well).
If you haven't done anything destructive with your hardware, you weren't doing it for a long time, I assume. It happens even with the best of us. I've done many things, including cracked dies on Socket A chips, bent pins on LGA, ripping FM2 with a cooler, and even poking a hole in MoBo while installing the infamous Titan D5TB almost 20 years ago (third PC I've ever built)... and I'm supposed to be the guy that usually fixes stuff after someone else breaks it.
Nowadays there are many cases where ripping a CPU out of PGA socket is unavoidable, even if you don't apply gorilla-force to it. For example, the same shitty low-end foxconn sockets(it's basically a plated copper foil on contacts that suffers wear and tear over time), or when some idiot decides to put Conductonaut on a bare-copper heatsink and fuses it to a heatspreader a year later, or with those stupid clamps on Wraith Prism, which presents you with "chicken and egg" problem (you have to take off clamps in order to twist it, but in order to take off clamps you have to detach it from IHS and tilt it) etc. etc. etc.
I can go on forever without even resorting to "people are stupid" arguments. It's a technical problem, not a human problem.
 
Joined
Mar 13, 2021
Messages
335 (0.30/day)
Processor AMD 7600x
Motherboard Asrock x670e Steel Legend
Cooling Silver Arrow Extreme IBe Rev B with 2x 120 Gentle Typhoons
Memory 4x16Gb Patriot Viper Non RGB @ 6000 30-36-36-36-40
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT MERC 319
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 1Tb NVME
Display(s) 3x Dell Ultrasharp U2414h
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower PF3 850 watt
I am completely fine with Consumer stuff being PCI-E 4 at the moment especially if it may be possible to get more PCI-E lanes from the mainstream CPU chips

Most of the time its not the Speed of the PCI-E lanes that are a bottleneck on a more mainstream build but the amount of lanes available to add in all the things people want (Graphics cards, PCI-E SSDs, WiFi, Sounds cards etc etc etc etc)

Being able to use something like:

That fully populated uses 66% of the available PCI-E lanes in a current "mainstream" build

If we can get up to 32-36 or 40 lanes on a mainstream build, yes it will cut into Threadripper sales, but a LOT or Threadripper builds arent really being purchase JUST because of the PCI-E lanes.
 
Joined
Jan 31, 2010
Messages
5,363 (1.04/day)
Location
Gougeland (NZ)
System Name Cumquat 2021
Processor AMD RyZen R7 7800X3D
Motherboard Asus Strix X670E - E Gaming WIFI
Cooling Deep Cool LT720 + CM MasterGel Pro TP + Lian Li Uni Fan V2
Memory 32GB GSkill Trident Z5 Neo 6000
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ OC RX6800 16GB DDR6 2270Cclk / 2010Mclk
Storage 1x Adata SX8200PRO NVMe 1TB gen3 x4 1X Samsung 980 Pro NVMe Gen 4 x4 1TB, 12TB of HDD Storage
Display(s) AOC 24G2 IPS 144Hz FreeSync Premium 1920x1080p
Case Lian Li O11D XL ROG edition
Audio Device(s) RX6800 via HDMI + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W 5.1 Speaker set
Power Supply EVGA 1000W G5 Gold
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core Wired
Keyboard Logitech G915 Wireless
Software Windows 11 X64 PRO (build 23H2)
Benchmark Scores it sucks even more less now ;)
If AMD are going LGA for mainstream desktop CPU's I'll be down with that if they use an installation style like that of Threadripper
 

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,001 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
I think that all of system requirements for the signal are adopted in advance to existing MB's PCB wiring?
I don't think you understand the issue.
Shorter trace length equals fewer possible lane placements.
There were concerns when PCIe 4.0 launched and the cost of boards went up, partially due to the redrivers, partially due to new PCB materials being needed etc.
With PCIe 5.0 this is only going to get worse.
But yeah, it's not really a problem, as the requirements are built into the motherboard :rolleyes:
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,194 (3.86/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
I am completely fine with Consumer stuff being PCI-E 4 at the moment especially if it may be possible to get more PCI-E lanes from the mainstream CPU chips

Most of the time its not the Speed of the PCI-E lanes that are a bottleneck on a more mainstream build but the amount of lanes available to add in all the things people want (Graphics cards, PCI-E SSDs, WiFi, Sounds cards etc etc etc etc)

Being able to use something like:

That fully populated uses 66% of the available PCI-E lanes in a current "mainstream" build

If we can get up to 32-36 or 40 lanes on a mainstream build, yes it will cut into Threadripper sales, but a LOT or Threadripper builds arent really being purchase JUST because of the PCI-E lanes.
B550 seems like the ideal consumer platform. It's cheap enough because most of the lanes are PCIe 3.0 and yet it has the PCIe 4.0 graphics and storage for those few people who might actually be able to use it.

The cost and power savings over X570 are hard to argue with, and I definitely appreciate the lack of a chipset fan.
 
Joined
Feb 6, 2021
Messages
2,554 (2.22/day)
Location
Germany
System Name Sunk Cost Fallacy
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard ASRock B650E Steel Legend Wifi
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 Rev. 7
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 6000 CL30
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X
Storage WD Black SN850X 1TB + 2x 2TB, 2x 4TB Crucial MX500, 4TB Samsung 870 Evo.
Display(s) Alienware AW2723DF, LG 27GR93U, LG 27GN950-B
Case Lian Li O11 Air Mini
Audio Device(s) Bose Companion Series 2 III, Sennheiser GSP600 and HD599 SE - Creative Soundblaster X4
Power Supply bequiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500w Titanium
Mouse Logitech GPRO X Superlight & G502 X
Keyboard Corsair K65 RGB Mini, Razer Black Widow V3 TKL
VR HMD Oculus Rift S
lets just hope they can make enough of this so we can actually buy it atleast at MSRP
you can buy zen 3 under MSRP like 24/7 since months.
i'd say it's the same after a few months with zen 4
 
Joined
Jan 31, 2010
Messages
5,363 (1.04/day)
Location
Gougeland (NZ)
System Name Cumquat 2021
Processor AMD RyZen R7 7800X3D
Motherboard Asus Strix X670E - E Gaming WIFI
Cooling Deep Cool LT720 + CM MasterGel Pro TP + Lian Li Uni Fan V2
Memory 32GB GSkill Trident Z5 Neo 6000
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ OC RX6800 16GB DDR6 2270Cclk / 2010Mclk
Storage 1x Adata SX8200PRO NVMe 1TB gen3 x4 1X Samsung 980 Pro NVMe Gen 4 x4 1TB, 12TB of HDD Storage
Display(s) AOC 24G2 IPS 144Hz FreeSync Premium 1920x1080p
Case Lian Li O11D XL ROG edition
Audio Device(s) RX6800 via HDMI + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W 5.1 Speaker set
Power Supply EVGA 1000W G5 Gold
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core Wired
Keyboard Logitech G915 Wireless
Software Windows 11 X64 PRO (build 23H2)
Benchmark Scores it sucks even more less now ;)
and I definitely appreciate the lack of a chipset fan.

I can't even hear the Chipset fan on my X570 even at 2200 odd rpm it's still quiet AF
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
2,594 (2.20/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
Does anyone have the slightest idea why it was necessary to increase the number of pins by ~400 - 500 on both Intel and AMD platforms? It's a huge number. PCIe 5 still needs two wires per lane and DDR5 still needs one wire per bit, and the number and width of other interfaces doesn't seem to be going up substantially.

I can only see increased number of power pins and wider DRAM interface as possible reasons. Neither will be a necessity in the beginning but both would be good for some future-proofing if the number of cores on consumer platforms keeps growing.
 
Joined
May 8, 2020
Messages
578 (0.41/day)
System Name Mini efficient rig.
Processor R9 3900, @4ghz -0.05v offset. 110W peak.
Motherboard Gigabyte B450M DS3H, bios f41 pcie 4.0 unlocked.
Cooling some server blower @1500rpm
Memory 2x16GB oem Samsung D-Die. 3200MHz
Video Card(s) RX 6600 Pulse w/conductonaut @65C hotspot
Storage 1x 128gb nvme Samsung 950 Pro - 4x 1tb sata Hitachi 2.5" hdds
Display(s) Samsung C24RG50FQI
Case Jonsbo C2 (almost itx sized)
Audio Device(s) integrated Realtek crap
Power Supply Seasonic SSR-750FX
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Redragon K539 brown switches
Software Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 + Windows 10 21H2 LTSC (patched).
Benchmark Scores Cinebench: R15 3050 pts, R20 7000 pts, R23 17800 pts, r2024 1050 pts.
Lets just hope it would offer more than 20 pcie lanes
 

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,001 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
B550 seems like the ideal consumer platform. It's cheap enough because most of the lanes are PCIe 3.0 and yet it has the PCIe 4.0 graphics and storage for those few people who might actually be able to use it.

The cost and power savings over X570 are hard to argue with, and I definitely appreciate the lack of a chipset fan.
It needed a few more PCIe lanes, 3.0 is fine, but eight lanes is a bit on the low side. Another four would be the bare minimum.

you can buy zen 3 under MSRP like 24/7 since months.
i'd say it's the same after a few months with zen 4
Maybe where you live. Not everywhere else.

Does anyone have the slightest idea why it was necessary to increase the number of pins by ~400 - 500 on both Intel and AMD platforms? It's a huge number. PCIe 5 still needs two wires per lane and DDR5 still needs one wire per bit, and the number and width of other interfaces doesn't seem to be going up substantially.

I can only see increased number of power pins and wider DRAM interface as possible reasons. Neither will be a necessity in the beginning but both would be good for some future-proofing if the number of cores on consumer platforms keeps growing.
DDR5 is only going to be one part of it. Keep in mind that at least Intel has support for DDR4 and DDR5, so some of those pins aren't going to be entirely muxable.
We don't know enough about either platform to be sure what else comes with it.
As you can see from the presumably leaked diagram from Intel above, it looks like Intel is planning a fatter pipe between the CPU and chipset, which also takes up a lot of pins.
Intel is seemingly planning more display outputs as well, which again requires more pins.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,194 (3.86/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
I can't even hear the Chipset fan on my X570 even at 2200 odd rpm it's still quiet AF
My watercooled machine is really, really quiet. The chipset fan is the only thing I can hear over the pump.
 
Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
2,223 (0.46/day)
Location
Right where I want to be
System Name Miami
Processor Ryzen 3800X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VII Formula
Cooling Ek Velocity/ 2x 280mm Radiators/ Alphacool fullcover
Memory F4-3600C16Q-32GTZNC
Video Card(s) XFX 6900 XT Speedster 0
Storage 1TB WD M.2 SSD/ 2TB WD SN750/ 4TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) DELL AW3420DW / HP ZR24w
Case Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Gold 1000W+750W
Mouse Corsair Scimitar/Glorious Model O-
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 10 Pro
When AMD eventually decides to start supporting PCIe 5, what will they do? Change sockets again and introduce AM5.5? No way. I'm very sure they've designed AM5 for PCIe 5.

This latest leak just indicates that the first generation of AM5 CPUs, chipsets and boards will support version 4 only.
They don't change sockets for pci-e, they really only change sockets when moving from on memory standard to the next and even then they don't change sockets unless the absolutely have to do so. They're not like Intel in this regard where a minor change "requires" a new socket.
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,194 (3.86/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
It needed a few more PCIe lanes, 3.0 is fine, but eight lanes is a bit on the low side. Another four would be the bare minimum.
B550 has 10 lanes, it's just that some motherboard vendors choose to use two for additional SATA ports.

In isolation it doesn't sound like much but don't forget that most of the lifting is done by the CPU, something the B550 board (not the chipset) is responsible for delivering. The CPU holds the majority of the 10Gbps, PCIe lanes, and NVMe lanes that were locked away without PCIe 4.0 slots/connectivity on B450 boards.

The job of the B550 is to be cheap for the masses, not all-encompassing for high-end systems. That's what X570 is for.
 
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Messages
1,972 (0.30/day)
Location
Toronto, Ontario
System Name The Expanse
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5003 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.B
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB (24.3.1)
Storage WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 14TB
Display(s) LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz
Case Fractal Design Meshify S2
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless
Power Supply Corsair AX850 Titanium
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RGB SE
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
Benchmark Scores 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c
My watercooled machine is really, really quiet. The chipset fan is the only thing I can hear over the pump.

I'm starting to think its your specific motherboard. Also from what I see Gigabyte offers these three profiles "silent," "balanced," and "performance for the chipset fan. What setting are you using?

I've never heard my chipset fan in the year and half I've been on this platform and my system is also very quiet.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,194 (3.86/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
I'm starting to think its your specific motherboard.

i've never heard my chipset fan in the year and half i've been on this platform and my system is also very quiet.
Possibly. I suspect it's worn too as most of its life was pre-watercooling and the GPU dumped warm air at idle and hot air under load onto the chipset triggering the startup temperature of the fan. I reckon the chipset fan was running 24/7 for a year at least.

Tiny chipset fans have shitty bearings because they're tiny and cheap. Can't beat the laws of physics!
 
Joined
Nov 21, 2010
Messages
2,223 (0.46/day)
Location
Right where I want to be
System Name Miami
Processor Ryzen 3800X
Motherboard Asus Crosshair VII Formula
Cooling Ek Velocity/ 2x 280mm Radiators/ Alphacool fullcover
Memory F4-3600C16Q-32GTZNC
Video Card(s) XFX 6900 XT Speedster 0
Storage 1TB WD M.2 SSD/ 2TB WD SN750/ 4TB WD Black HDD
Display(s) DELL AW3420DW / HP ZR24w
Case Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Gold 1000W+750W
Mouse Corsair Scimitar/Glorious Model O-
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 10 Pro
DDR5 is only going to be one part of it. Keep in mind that at least Intel has support for DDR4 and DDR5, so some of those pins aren't going to be entirely muxable.
We don't know enough about either platform to be sure what else comes with it.
As you can see from the presumably leaked diagram from Intel above, it looks like Intel is planning a fatter pipe between the CPU and chipset, which also takes up a lot of pins.
Intel is seemingly planning more display outputs as well, which again requires more pins.

If I had to guess DDR5 is the reason the are changing sockets, as for the number of pins they're adding some for DDR5, some more pins that were already needed on the current socket, ditching the workarounds and a some extras so they don't outgrow the socket too quickly again.

I'm starting to think its your specific motherboard. Also from what I see Gigabyte offers these three profiles "silent," "balanced," and "performance for the chipset fan. What setting are you using?

I've never heard my chipset fan in the year and half I've been on this platform and my system is also very quiet.
Same, I thought mine didn't run at all until I noticed the dust on the grill when I was cleaning it proved otherwise.
 

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,001 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
B550 has 10 lanes, it's just that some motherboard vendors choose to use two for additional SATA ports.

In isolation it doesn't sound like much but don't forget that most of the lifting is done by the CPU, something the B550 board (not the chipset) is responsible for delivering. The CPU holds the majority of the 10Gbps, PCIe lanes, and NVMe lanes that were locked away without PCIe 4.0 slots/connectivity on B450 boards.

The job of the B550 is to be cheap for the masses, not all-encompassing for high-end systems. That's what X570 is for.
Well, that's the problem, not some, most do that, as SATA is still a thing.

Considering how "feature light" the chipset is, most of those eight lanes then go to things like Ethernet, Wi-Fi, another M.2 and another USB 3.x controller, so that means if you want to plug in just about anything into the PCIe slots, you're going to lose something else. Hence why it needs another four PCIe lanes.
 
Top