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AMD Unveils Server Strategy and Roadmap

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Well, the roadmap does show moving to 28nm. That's an improvement, yes. But they'd better jump to 22 or 20 nm by 2015, yo!
 
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any news on the desktop line-up? :eek:
 
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#28
>still using 32nm in 2H2014
My heart is sobbing. :(
Indeed, what AMD does with the 32nm process power-efficiency-wise is simply magic. But they should really be moving on to a smaller process. Why? Oh why do You keep on using the old 32nm? (well, we all do know why, but still...)
as much as i love amd I beg to differ, because as far as physics is involved, until amd quads can match intel sandy bridge quads under 32nm in both single thread and multithread while using the same consumption then we can say amd matches intel, but for example if they were beating intel who are on 22nm then we can say its magic, as far as now nothing impressive, sure they are perfecting the process, their cpu efficiency happens to be the limiting factor here
 
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the Jaguar core has the same size,consumption and powerratio like the best ARM cores like A9 and A12. how the **** is A57 much better?
Because:

1) That's completely untrue. ARM cores still offer far more performance per watt and density than Jaguar.

2) A9 was never intended for servers. A12 is just a stop-gap and effectively a server orientated A15.

3) A57 just extends the performance per watt lead. Yes A57s are more power hungry than A15s in absolute terms, but they're a big improvement in performance per watt and density.

4) It's a much more flexible, customisable solution. Both for AMD and their clients.

5) Performance per £€$ is also still miles ahead.

6) The major drawback to the ARM architecture and instruction sets that's always held this back from happening sooner goes away with A57. 64 bit memory space.

There's a reason why ARM are going to take a massive chunk of the server market in the coming years, and it's not because any x86 core (Jaguar included) can compete.
 
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Because:

1) That's completely untrue. ARM cores still offer far more performance per watt and density than Jaguar.

2) A9 was never intended for servers. A12 is just a stop-gap and effectively a server orientated A15.

3) A57 just extends the performance per watt lead. Yes A57s are more power hungry than A15s in absolute terms, but they're a big improvement in performance per watt and density.

4) It's a much more flexible, customisable solution. Both for AMD and their clients.

5) Performance per £€$ is also still miles ahead.

6) The major drawback to the ARM architecture and instruction sets that's always held this back from happening sooner goes away with A57. 64 bit memory space.

There's a reason why ARM are going to take a massive chunk of the server market in the coming years, and it's not because any x86 core (Jaguar included) can compete.
a jaguar core is around 3mm2 which is tiny, there is much more to it than what you mentioned even though its mostly true what you saw
jaguar would need to be clocked much lower to match arms efficiency, and with enough time and effort a jaguar oriented server chip would be faster it packed with more cores clocked lower, but that is exactly the thing, amd mentioned it takes about 3 years to redesign an x86 design and that usualy cost around 4billion dollars, but for arm the process doesnt require more than 12month and the whole thing ends up being around 500million. so in a way amd doesnt wanna enter this market with x86 when it can gain more money doing it with arm

and i personally would love if arm takes over and x86 becomes absolete as that would only mean more fair competition since anyone can use arm unlike x86 which intel has a firm grip on, and while amd can use x86 you would be a fool if you think its not a monopoly

ps4 vs xbone is a great example on how good competition is for the consumer, as xbox just dropped the restrictions that they originally planned