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No, they focus on that approach because they have no other option.
They definitely had other options, but those were canned when they win the console designs. They played this well, and the CPU power is missing in the new consoles, so the developers will be forced to offload compute tasks to the iGPU. This will be ported to PC, so the gaming market is already in the pocket with Kaveri. This will be the only chip that provides a console class functionality to the gamers.
 
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They definitely had other options, but those were canned when they win the console designs. They played this well, and the CPU power is missing in the new consoles, so the developers will be forced to offload compute tasks to the iGPU. This will be ported to PC, so the gaming market is already in the pocket with Kaveri. This will be the only chip that provides a console class functionality to the gamers.
They aren't offloading anything to the GPU that hasn't been planned for years, your statement is so inherently wrong its almost offensive.

Since the CPU features a lot of new hardware under the hood in terms of memory management, which is the weak link for AMD and the higher speed memory allowing for reduced latency, again another weak spot, we don't know the performance of the CPU. So unless you have a magic genie who has provided you some native and comparative analysis of its performance.......
 
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Something is seriously misunderstood. Kabini is already in mass production. Oh wait it's DigiTimes. Now I understand what is wrong. :D

So the new roadmap is just say a Kabini refresh in 2014 february. Nothing new. These are the same Kabini chips but with higher clock.
I dont think they are just speed bumps, I believe the xx50s at the end stand for possibly 1 or 2 more GCN CUs. And also possibly some of that power regulation mumbo-jumbo from Richland.
 
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They aren't offloading anything to the GPU that hasn't been planned for years, your statement is so inherently wrong its almost offensive.
We will see in 2014. ;)

... So unless you have a magic genie who has provided you some native and comparative analysis of its performance.......
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We will see in 2014. ;)



I'm workint on my own project, so I know what I'm talking.

Weak CPU power for a console? :roll:

A console has never had so much power before. A dual core x86 would have wiped the floor with those measly tricore PowerPCs when the 360/PS3 were released (but they didn't like the cost).
Now, we have monumental power in comparison, but it sucks? Pffft, if the devs are smart they'll use the new extensions (introduced with BD) in Jaguar accelerating it even more.
 
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Revised Road Map for AMD

This article is full of inaccuracies and leaves out key information. First of all the new road map from AMD for consumers has NOT been released. It will be released sometime between the end of October and the November AMD APU Conference (used to be called the developer's conference). It never mentions Kaveri but spends a whole lot of time about Kabini which is not a steamroller technology. It mentions the end of AM3 but that is already dead. This news is falsified and does NOT come from AMD. Take it with a grain of salt. It also does not mention HSA and the role it will play with APU architecture. This is purely a hack post and a poor one at that.
 
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Proof is every AMD roadmap updates since Vishera came out. Ever since then AMD "mysteriously" haven't mentioned anything about the AM3+ platform beyond Vishera -- could it be a coincidence? :) They simply focus on low-end and mainstream APUs (Kabini and Kaveri, respectively) instead of pushing such markets where they have no chance catching the performance crown from such products like Ivy Bridge-E or even Core i7 Haswell. They also left the DP+ server market, and next year they will only have a UP server FM2+ socket APU (based on Kaveri) and some micro-server stuff based on ARM and Kabini (Kyoto). So Socket AM3/AM3+, C32 and G34 are all EOL already. AMD just don't have the decency to clearly publish that information...
I strongly disagree.
 
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Weak CPU power for a console? :roll:

A console has never had so much power before. A dual core x86 would have wiped the floor with those measly tricore PowerPCs when the 360/PS3 were released (but they didn't like the cost).
Now, we have monumental power in comparison, but it sucks? Pffft, if the devs are smart they'll use the new extensions (introduced with BD) in Jaguar accelerating it even more.
hate to burst your bubble their buddy, but the consoles use jaguar cores. you know, the core built to fight ATOM chips. they are not powerhouses in any sense of the word. they are weak repurposed netbook cpus that, as far as raw power is concerned, are weaker than the current systems. go look up a jaguar benchmark, and compare it to a full quad core i5 in cpu power. that i5 is only abot 80% what the x360 has in it, and about 35% of what the ps3 has (i5 is 84 Gflop, xbox 360 is 110Gflop, ps3 is 279Gflop)
 
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hate to burst your bubble their buddy, but the consoles use jaguar cores. you know, the core built to fight ATOM chips. they are not powerhouses in any sense of the word. they are weak repurposed netbook cpus that, as far as raw power is concerned, are weaker than the current systems. go look up a jaguar benchmark, and compare it to a full quad core i5 in cpu power. that i5 is only abot 80% what the x360 has in it, and about 35% of what the ps3 has (i5 is 84 Gflop, xbox 360 is 110Gflop, ps3 is 279Gflop)
The PS4 can achieve 1.84Tflops

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/130221a_e.html

(using flops to compare performance generally turns out terribly by the way)

I should also point out that a 2600K can do 128300 mips at 3.4GHZ, where the 360 cpu can only do 19200 mips

So yeah, try not to use things like flops and mips when comparing processors, they don't really mimic real world performance

EDIT: Also are you trying to compare the overall flops of a device (including the gpu) to just a cpu, because your ps3 number is above the theoretical maximum for the chip, and way over the max for it's configuration in the ps3
 
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I was kind of hoping for one more AM3+ release :ohwell: Intel will be my next upgrade I guess :(
 
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There wont be any new CPUs. Only Kaveri APU, but if you build a gaming PC you may choose this, because you will get iGPU accelerated gaming goodies in 2014. ;)
Proof? (The part about being no new CPUs that is.) I am getting frustrated at people giving their opinion as fact when they have no proof. :banghead: AMD's silence on this is not good but, also is not proof either.
 
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Proof? (The part about being no new CPUs that is.) I am getting frustrated at people giving their opinion as fact when they have no proof. :banghead: AMD's silence on this is not good but, also is not proof either.
Their assertions are all educated guesses. They may be right but they can not state their will no longer be any AM3+ cpu offerings. The new roadmap will be released between the end of October and the early November AMD APU Conference. If they no longer have AM3+ cpu offerings on that road map we have to hope they will have APU offerings on AM2+ by 2015 that have large cores like 6 or 8 cores. If excavator does NOT have 6 or 8 core offerings I see no reason to stay on AMD. The benefits of HSA will not be apparent to steamroller or excavator buyers for at least another year. So until that happens the apus will be underpowered compared to an FX-8350
 
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The PS4 can achieve 1.84Tflops

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/130221a_e.html

(using flops to compare performance generally turns out terribly by the way)

I should also point out that a 2600K can do 128300 mips at 3.4GHZ, where the 360 cpu can only do 19200 mips

So yeah, try not to use things like flops and mips when comparing processors, they don't really mimic real world performance

EDIT: Also are you trying to compare the overall flops of a device (including the gpu) to just a cpu, because your ps3 number is above the theoretical maximum for the chip, and way over the max for it's configuration in the ps3
1.84 teraflops included both the gpu and cpu. i was talking about the cpu only here. and it appears the site i was using listed gpu numbers for cpu performance, which would explain the over the top Gflop numbers. my bad
 
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We will see in 2014. ;)



I'm workint on my own project, so I know what I'm talking.
We will see what in 2014? The conversation was about console CPU's that have been tweaked by MS and Sony, one of which runs a significantly higher memory standard than is currently available, making any comparisons you have on your project invalid, no cache on one, huge cache on the other, HMA which is not currently available on any consumer CPU for any sort of comparison.


In short, unless you work for MS, Sony, AMD, or Intel or have a genie, you are an internet troll or worse, a 12 yr old kid that wants to look big with your "secret project".


Proof?
 
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AMD have no such CPUs or APUs on their roadmap. The best model will be a 2-module / 4-core Steamroller codenamed "Kaveri". The FX line is already dead and buried.
So no 4 module/8core? you have sauce?
 
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AMD have no such CPUs or APUs on their roadmap. The best model will be a 2-module / 4-core Steamroller codenamed "Kaveri". The FX line is already dead and buried.
And what magical guesses do you have regarding 6 or 8 core Excavators in 2015?
 

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So no 4 module/8core? you have sauce?
No AMD roadmaps talk about any FX products beyond Vishera. Hence the only thing we've got is Kaveri (2 modules / 4 cores).

And what magical guesses do you have regarding 6 or 8 core Excavators in 2015?
No more FX, no more than 2 modules / 4 cores, no matter if it is 2014 or 2015. The new "thing" for AMD is low-power, so they push Kabini/Temash/Kyoto and Kaveri/Berlin, and some ARM based micro-servers instead of focusing on such markets (HEDT, DP/MP servers) where they couldn't catch Intel for years already. It makes no sense to put together a bunch (4 or more) of Steamroller or Excavator modules, just to end up with a huge die with 130W TDP that cannot even beat a Core i7 "Haswell", let alone a Core i7 "Ivy Bridge-E". Why to produce a die that's expensive to make and you cannot sell with a profit?

With HSA AMD tries to convince everyone (especially 3D game developers) that CPU doesn't matter anymore, but it's all about the GPU. And if they succeed with their HSA push, then they may eventually be right: it may be more than enough to have a 2-module Kaveri with a great GCN2 based iGPU to run such games that are designed around the HSA concept. They don't talk about such apps though that would require much more raw CPU power than Kaveri, like video encoding, CAD/CAM, but that only means they let Intel rule that market.
 
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No AMD roadmaps talk about any FX products beyond Vishera. Hence the only thing we've got is Kaveri (2 modules / 4 cores).



No more FX, no more than 2 modules / 4 cores, no matter if it is 2014 or 2015. The new "thing" for AMD is low-power, so they push Kabini/Temash/Kyoto and Kaveri/Berlin, and some ARM based micro-servers instead of focusing on such markets (HEDT, DP/MP servers) where they couldn't catch Intel for years already. It makes no sense to put together a bunch (4 or more) of Steamroller or Excavator modules, just to end up with a huge die with 130W TDP that cannot even beat a Core i7 "Haswell", let alone a Core i7 "Ivy Bridge-E". Why to produce a die that's expensive to make and you cannot sell with a profit?

With HSA AMD tries to convince everyone (especially 3D game developers) that CPU doesn't matter anymore, but it's all about the GPU. And if they succeed with their HSA push, then they may eventually be right: it may be more than enough to have a 2-module Kaveri with a great GCN2 based iGPU to run such games that are designed around the HSA concept. They don't talk about such apps though that would require much more raw CPU power than Kaveri, like video encoding, CAD/CAM, but that only means they let Intel rule that market.
Excavator is on a .22nm process. There is more than ample room for for 3 or 4 modules and still to achieve substantial power reduction. I would estimate 85 watts for an 8 core excavator apu.
 

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Excavator is on a .22nm process. There is more than ample room for for 3 or 4 modules and still to achieve substantial power reduction. I would estimate 85 watts for an 8 core excavator apu.
22nm is not written in stone at all. It could be 28nm, 22nm, 20nm, or something else, we'll see. It's quite far from release. Afterall, even Steamroller is not materialized in an actual product yet :cool:
 
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22nm is not written in stone at all. It could be 28nm, 22nm, 20nm, or something else, we'll see. It's quite far from release. Afterall, even Steamroller is not materialized in an actual product yet :cool:
Steamroller is in an advanced stage of development. By late October they will have frozen development and started production for oem distribution in December.

Excavator will come in 2015. It will not be on .28nm process as you suggest. it will be a die shrink from .28nm most likely .22 nm.
 
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There is un update on the news about Kabini from Tom's
UPDATE: In response to the article below, a source familiar with AMD's roadmap claims that the information in the report from DigiTimes is not entirely accurate. Purportedly a number of desktop-oriented Kabini APUs for desktops are already shipping, or have already been on shelves for a short while. On top of this, the SKUs mentioned below are also arriving sooner than originally planned, rather than later. Another piece of information that came to see daylight is that AMD may be ditching the “A-series” nomenclature, as well as the four-number identifiers for APUs. This means that the models listed below are likely to retail with a different name. No information was revealed regarding the new naming system.