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AMD's Bulldozer 8.4GHz+ OC Achievement: Cooled to Near-Absolute Zero

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8 cores on the BD, i dont think dirt 3 uses more than 6. so the benches against i7 980 is okay?


we need more apps that use moar cores
 
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#27
speaking of cpu`s in everyday industrial computing scenarios,
Check out what a few atom`s can do...

IDF 2011

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1713/1/

8.4gig is not nearly as cool as you think mr AMD (pun intended)

I call this post "How to amuse,entertain and impress a potential customer"
 
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This is cool and all but for all i know my 2500k could be just as fast/faster at 4.8ghz (on air) than that Bulldozer at 8+ ghz. I'm not trying to start an argument but we all know that clock speed doesnt matter all that much in this day and age.
 

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Well one thing is for sure , At the very least it will be far faster than my Q9650 LOL !
 

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This is cool and all but for all i know my 2500k could be just as fast/faster at 4.8ghz (on air) than that Bulldozer at 8+ ghz. I'm not trying to start an argument but we all know that clock speed doesnt matter all that much in this day and age.
with the higher IPC and other architectural improvements that's highly unlikely.
 

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speaking of cpu`s in everyday industrial computing scenarios,
Check out what a few atom`s can do...

IDF 2011

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1713/1/

8.4gig is not nearly as cool as you think mr AMD (pun intended)

I call this post "How to amuse,entertain and impress a potential customer"
cool but a total fail if you tell me. it could have probably been done with a few micro controllers.
 
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with the higher IPC and other architectural improvements that's highly unlikely.
I think the honourable gentleman was knowingly using an exaggerated example to make his point. :p
 

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Reading through the posts on here, it seems that some people might be missing the point of this news article.

Indeed, we knew the other day that AMD did 8GHz and I explained that. What we now know are the full techy details of how they did it and that these new CPUs can work at much colder temperatures than previously possible. I had hoped this would interest people here? :)

Using nitrogen and helium to reach near absolute zero seems pretty hardcore techy to me! :rockout:
 

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Reading through the posts on here, it seems that some people might be missing the point of this news article.

Indeed, we knew the other day that AMD did 8GHz and I explained that. What we now know are the full techy details of how they did it and that these new CPUs can work at much colder temperatures than previously possible. I had hoped this would interest people here? :)

Using nitrogen and helium to reach near absolute zero seems pretty hardcore techy to me! :rockout:
Yeah it is hard core for sure . But just how many people use LN-LH 24/7 ? It seems a bit impractical to me . Maybe they can use it in space or on Titan but I am not there . Water cooling is the best I have and this could make for a great CPU , Time will tell just how they will perform under normal operating conditions .
 

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ya true using auto OC on my mobo seemed pointless since with games it more GPU power and that why you see so many OCed video cards and processors are for computing so if you do a lot of computing (anything besides that uses the GPU) then OC it :3
 

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Yeah it is hard core for sure . But just how many people use LN-LH 24/7 ? It seems a bit impractical to me . Maybe they can use it in space or on Titan but I am not there . Water cooling is the best I have and this could make for a great CPU , Time will tell just how they will perform under normal operating conditions .
Oh yeah, it was a PR stunt all right, but an interesting one.

w1zzard's take on previous posts on other threads suggests that the performance of the chip won't be so hot for everyday use, so I'm betting that he knows something we don't. ;)

Man, the suspense is killing me! :laugh:
 

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I'd like to know the max oc on a real world cooling setup, ie a half decent water loop.

Oh and my best oc was on the E6300 in my sig, 107% on air.
 

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I think the honourable gentleman was knowingly using an exaggerated example to make his point. :p
Yes but it is a stupid hyperbole that several people have used in several threads to show distaste towards AMD when they prefer Intel. This is the first time AMD has been on that board and it seems to be stirring shit up.
 
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#41
Reading through the posts on here, it seems that some people might be missing the point of this news article.

Indeed, we knew the other day that AMD did 8GHz and I explained that. What we now know are the full techy details of how they did it and that these new CPUs can work at much colder temperatures than previously possible. I had hoped this would interest people here? :)

Using nitrogen and helium to reach near absolute zero seems pretty hardcore techy to me! :rockout:
I knew that stuff already.
 

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Not everybody does though.
Its in the original TPU post about the world record that they used LN2 at first and switch to liquid helium to get even lower temps.
 

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Its in the original TPU post about the world record that they used LN2 at first and switch to liquid helium to get even lower temps.
Ok, fair enough. :) I still have my Learner plates on! :laugh:
 
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This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).
 

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#46
This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).
If ethics will cause you to avoid doing business with a company, who do you plan to buy your future desktop cpus from, VIA?
 

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#48
This is all fluff.

Liquid helium and near-zero is so damned cold you couldn't and wouldn't be handling it bare-handed out of a thermos flash or holding your hand to shield the evaporating gases (like the video showed). The video is therefore fake and is just a "imaging" for the sake of PR, and the actual superclock was not achieved "live" in the way they were pretending.

We also learned that the "random CPUs in a box and the 4th one did it", well that box was cock full of pre-cherry picked samples.

We also heard that AMD broke the GUINESS World Record. But no such record previously existed.

In my mind, there is only one question: HOW MANY untruths were told in that PR stunt, and given the number of untruths, do I feel ethically compelled to avoid such a dishonest company? (and I'm still sitting on that question, but I'm getting awfully close to the answer).
I see nothing wrong with going to the extreme to set a world record speed, while its not normal conditions it still holds. Just like you set the fastest land speed on a salt flat not on your average highway. They videotaped the overclock, so no doubt you could have seen it live there, if given the opportunity. I don't know how you would interpret it otherwise, but that is how I interpreted it.

Cherry picking is of course necessary for these kind of records. One do not just send a random guy to break the 100m speed record, you need years of conditioning. Cherry picking is a bit different, but same idea: only a certain lucky few have the right combination of factors to allow them to attempt to break the record.

I think the fastest P4 chips went only to 8Ghz, so this might be the fastest clock speed ever achieved on a consumer x86 processor. I might be wrong though.

There are no untruths, just different forms of interpretation. From my eyes, this is a perfectly fine PR with your usual amount of spin.
 

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*cough* anti-trust *cough*
LOL . :laugh:

Thing is ethics has nothing to do with it at all . Performance is king and if the performance is there then cool if not we will all soon know then ... :cry: