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AMD's next-gen RDNA 2 rumor: 40-50% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

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Even though I will still buy nvidia because I like what they have to offer better (im constantly using Shadowplay and have been since it's introduction), we really need AMD to be competitive with nvidia again
See, it doesn't work like that. The thing that decides if something was competitive or not is whether or not people bought it, "I want AMD to compete so that I can buy Nvidia" is a fallacy, it doesn't work. If you really need AMD to be competitive buy their products not Nvidia's.
 
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If you really need AMD to be competitive buy their products not Nvidia's.
hilarious.
so we've got 70% of consumers who don't need amd to be competitive.they don't give two shits.they just buy nvidia.
 
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I am surprised they care attacking YOU, who have been saying all the nice thing about Radeon. Ouch.


Back to the topic. I wouldn't trust these ones too much. Most of the reliable rumors come from Taiwanese/Chinese hardware forums as there are folks who actually work in the production pipeline. The rest of the tech sites are either regurgitating, or just outright making shit up to get the clicks/views/traffic.

Anyway, let's give it another "Poor Ampere" shall well? And see if RTG actually delivers this round.
Some of those leaks on AMD hardware are from Nvidia, make what you will of that.

Sounds like a nice change this generation regardless of the shade of glasses you ware.
 
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See, it doesn't work like that. The thing that decides if something was competitive or not is whether or not people bought it, "I want AMD to compete so that I can buy Nvidia" is a fallacy, it doesn't work. If you really need AMD to be competitive buy their products not Nvidia's.
I wont buy, but others will. What makes them competitive is how close in performance the new AMD cards will run in comparison to Ampere. That will help drive down the price to make nvidia say "buy ours because the price to performance is better".
 
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I wont buy, but others will. What makes them competitive is how close in performance the new AMD cards will run in comparison to Ampere. That will help drive down the price to make nvidia say "buy ours because the price to performance is better".
So Vya domus was right then.

Reviews don't matter to your type of blind buyer either, never mind opinions ,well Apple would also like your money.

And it's clearly a waste of your time and anyone else's arguing about AMD GPU rumours.

Personally I'll wait on reviews and watch the market, see what's going on, I'm definitely buying a ps5 and that could well do for a bit.

Or not if rumours are true.
 
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I wont buy, but others will. What makes them competitive is how close in performance the new AMD cards will run in comparison to Ampere. That will help drive down the price to make nvidia say "buy ours because the price to performance is better".
You do not understand that sales precede "competitiveness", GPUs like the 290X/Fury X were very fast and relativity cheap but they were perceived as being uncompetitive because of bizarre reasons such as the heat/noise meme and Nvidia still outsold and out priced everything AMD had. Performance matters no where near as much as you think it does for the overall success of a product, look at CPUs, AMD is not the fastest in the only metric that apparently everyone cares about which is gaming, yet in just a few years they gained a considerable amount of mind share and sales. The general consensuses now is that AMD is ahead of Intel and sure enough CPUs that were previously in the thousands of dollars are now a few hundreds bucks.
 
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So Vya domus was right then.

Reviews don't matter to your type of blind buyer either, never mind opinions ,well Apple would also like your money.

And it's clearly a waste of your time and anyone else's arguing about AMD GPU rumours.

Personally I'll wait on reviews and watch the market, see what's going on, I'm definitely buying a ps5 and that could well do for a bit.

Or not if rumours are true.
Im not a blind buyer. I look at reviews. Nvidia just offers what I want/need better. Whether or not AMD gives nvidia a run for their money this time around has yet to be seen.
 
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Nvidia just offers what I want/need better.
Then you don't need AMD to be competitive, because you already prefer their products. Can you not see the issue with your logic ?

Im not a blind buyer.
Yet you said it yourself that you'll only buy from a particular brand no matter what. What is that if not the definition of a blind buyer ? What's the point of checking reviews if you're already convinced you'll purchase from the same camp anyway.
 
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Im not a blind buyer. I look at reviews. Nvidia just offers what I want/need better. Whether or not AMD gives nvidia a run for their money this time around has yet to be seen.
Do you believe what you just said, apple owners frequently say the same things, then always buy apple, does it really matter what reviews say at that point, no.
 
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Yes a rumor like the billion others this site publishes. Also lots of amateur mathematicians here, get your numbers right folks this is a tech forum not reddit :shadedshu:
 
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Then you don't need AMD to be competitive, because you already prefer their products. Can you not see the issue with your logic ?[/qoute]


Yet you said it yourself that you'll only buy from a particular brand no matter what. What is that if not the definition of a blind buyer ? What's the point of checking reviews if you're already convinced you'll purchase from the same camp anyway.
Of course I do. I dont want to pay inflated prices forever.

Blind buyer = someone that doesnt care what the benchmarks show and/or from what camp. I pay attention to reviews. I care about reviewer opinions. Blind buyers dont. Nvidia just has features I care about more, their shit just works, and they are better performance wise. You cant say that about AMD right now.

After you contradicted yourself in post #32, I stopped caring what you said.

Do you believe what you just said, apple owners frequently say the same things, then always buy apple, does it really matter what reviews say at that point, no.
Of course I do. You two are the ones trying to pick apart everything that I am saying to try and favor yourselves. I dont buy apple, I havent bought anything apple, and I never will.[/QUOTE]
 
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After you contradicted yourself in post #32
Of course I didn't, you did, by claiming to not be a blind buyer yet admitting you'll only purchases from a particular brand no matter what. I don't even have to pick apart everything, the paradox in what you said couldn't be any more apparent. Anyway good luck in having AMD being competitive so that you can buy Nvidia, I am sure that will work out great, it's a bulletproof logic :

I'd like Pepsi to make a better drink so I can keep buying Coca-Cola.
 
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Then you don't need AMD to be competitive, because you already prefer their products. Can you not see the issue with your logic ?



Yet you said it yourself that you'll only buy from a particular brand no matter what. What is that if not the definition of a blind buyer ? What's the point of checking reviews if you're already convinced you'll purchase from the same camp anyway.
Being aware of the market reality is not being a blind buyer, it is being realistic about the differences between what's on offer between these two companies. Feature complete, or feature lacking.

The only one who can change that is AMD itself and so far they have not delivered.
 
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Being aware of the market reality is not being a blind buyer, it is being realistic about the differences between what's on offer between these two companies.
Being aware of what ? Why does it even matter, the point is that if you absolutely want something from a certain brand, you don't need anyone else to be competitive. Assuming that the other guys were competitive, then the inevitable outcome is that you'd end up buying something inferior, since you prioritized that one brand anyway so that will work against you. There's something inherently dysfunctional with that mentality but each to their own.

Basically what I want to say is that that companies being competitive is only relevant to those who are looking at either camps.
 
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Being aware of what ? Why does it even matter, the point is that if you absolutely want something from a certain brand, you don't need anyone else to be competitive. Assuming that the other guys were competitive, then the inevitable outcome is that you'd end up buying something inferior, since you prioritized that one brand anyway so that will work against you. There's something inherently dysfunctional with that mentality but each to their own.

Basically what I want to say is that that companies being competitive is only relevant to those who are looking at either camps.
It affects market price too and if you think that it doesnt, youre either ignorant or stupid.
 
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Of course I do. I dont want to pay inflated prices forever.

Blind buyer = someone that doesnt care what the benchmarks show and/or from what camp. I pay attention to reviews. I care about reviewer opinions. Blind buyers dont. Nvidia just has features I care about more, their shit just works, and they are better performance wise. You cant say that about AMD right now.

After you contradicted yourself in post #32, I stopped caring what you said.


Of course I do. You two are the ones trying to pick apart everything that I am saying to try and favor yourselves. I dont buy apple, I havent bought anything apple, and I never will.
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There's no favour to be had in this debate here , I just disagree with you based on what you just said, it wasn't logical to me.
Moving on, I will say Both companies need to hurry the f up, rumours(after this long waiting mind) are boring, I prefer price/performance debate's.
 
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It affects market price
The prices are set according to the ceiling caused by what consumers are willing to pay, companies keep pushing until there is a negative response in numbers of sales, that's independent of the situation with regards to how competitive they are between each other. For now, Nvidia keeps selling more and more GPUs despite the constant prices hikes, which means that ceiling hasn't been reached. So expect yet another price hike irrespective of what AMD brings to the table, hell it might be a price bump initiated by AMD themselves. The market that you're describing where prices would go down every time competition picks up would mean every company would slowly tend towards making no money at all, which obliviously can't be the case.

If you are still convinced prices would go up and down just because of competition, you're not ignorant nor stupid, you just have a ultra simplistic model of how this works. Which is common for your typical forum dweller that doesn't know how these industry operate at large.
 
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If you are still convinced prices would go up and down just because of competition, you're not ignorant nor stupid, you just have a ultra simplistic model of how this works. Which is common for your typical forum dweller that doesn't know how these industry operate at large.
Lets help industry then to decide faster, TPU it should start a voting thread, all VGA models listed, and the voter will have a single vote and choose or decide how much he is willing to pay about it.
 
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even if it is true it doesn't mean it will be worth a buy, AMD has a lot of trust to be gained on the driver side of things for GPU's... even going to amazon or newegg now and filtering reviews by "most recent" scary stuff. I play a lot of older games, so I need to know drivers are stable for even those games a long long time ago. not just what is in the spotlight.
My GTX 980 was shit. CTD and black screen galore. My V56 has been so-so. There are an impossible number of software configurations to test. Will it stop me from buying either brand? Nope.
 
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Yup not one one time have I seen tax savings, when the govt decided to lower taxes, being passed on to the consumers. Same goes in any & every industry out there, let's just say capitalism, free markets & trickle down is overrated. Companies just increase their margins whenever they can, Intel only reduced their prices because they were forced (with declining sales) to & unless people shift to buying AMD en masse Nvidia will continue their trope & price Ampere to heavens this fall.

I'm not pointing this just at Nvidia users, I'm also one, it's the reality. The DIY market probably flipped towards majority(?) AMD even before zen2 launched, if Mindfactory numbers & Amazon bestsellers list is anything to go by. So the excuse that you need top performance to be able to lead a particular sector is just BS, having said that AMD right now probably covers only two thirds of the market & price range that Nvidia's selling into. They don't have a competitive sub $200 GPU & nothing above $800, would be interesting to see if non Nvidia fans choose AMD provided RDNA2 based GPU's are competitive across the board. You know put your $ where your mouth is?
 
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If not, then I keep using what I have, I'm in no hurry to dump a lot of cash for what I'd consider a bad investment.
That's thing with PC parts, unless you use it for work, there are no good investments. You are spot on there.

Intel only reduced their prices because they were forced
That is the essence of capitalism. Ostensibly, it has nothing to do with government. But that is not for here.

though I will still buy nvidia because I like what they have to offer better (im constantly using Shadowplay and have been since it's introduction)
While I haven't used it, I hear their recording stuff works quite well.

AMD right now probably covers only two thirds of the market & price range that Nvidia's selling into. They don't have a competitive sub $200 GPU & nothing above $800
This is another one of their problems. However, even when they have better products people bought NV. Just look at Fermi (480,470), AMDs product was better but NV still sold just as well if not better. If my memory serves me, it may not. Fast forward to Hawaii, it was terrible because it was hot and had high power draw. Guess who sold more?
 
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Everyone would like to see nvidia's highend reign to end given how they've 2-3fold increased the pricing of enthusiast products in recent years,
but this is just more fake news wishful thinking to pander to fans. I guess it works since it keeps happening :)
Can we please stop calling rumours fake news? The two aren't related and shouldn't be used interchangeably.

Would be interesting if this were true, that means Nvidia can't charge 1500usd for their RTX 3090 anymore :D
Well, if AMD charges $2,000 for their top of the range card (assuming the rumours are true), they could... :rolleyes:
 
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Being aware of what ? Why does it even matter, the point is that if you absolutely want something from a certain brand, you don't need anyone else to be competitive. Assuming that the other guys were competitive, then the inevitable outcome is that you'd end up buying something inferior, since you prioritized that one brand anyway so that will work against you. There's something inherently dysfunctional with that mentality but each to their own.

Basically what I want to say is that that companies being competitive is only relevant to those who are looking at either camps.
You're mixing up cause and effect. That is what I want to say. It makes your comment completely out of place. People are not blind to the other brand, that is the figment of your imagination. After all, Ryzen proves you wrong. People take a long look at it, and quite a few take the plunge despite a bad track record in the past near-decade.
 
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People are not blind to the other brand
I just pointed out to someone which openly admitted that they were.

After all, Ryzen proves you wrong.
It proves me right, Ryzen is not the fastest in gaming, something which everyone yells and moans about, yet it still gained a lot of traction. Absolute performance does not indicate if something is competitive or whether or not you should expect prices to change.
 
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