• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD's Zen 2 Could be Revealed on November 6th, "Next Horizon" Event Scheduled

Joined
Sep 25, 2018
Messages
84 (0.19/day)
AMD Investor Relations will host a "Next Horizon" event on November 6th, and although there is no confirmation on what products will be announced there, the title alone makes us think about AMD's Zen 2 architecture. The company has just explained that on that day their executives will "discuss the innovation of AMD products and technology, specifically designed with the datacenter on industry-leading 7 nm process technology". AMD announced Ryzen and quite a lot of details about the Zen's processors on their last "Horizon" event, so it seems plausible that the incoming event will be perfect to talk about its next-gen architecture. That focus on the 7 nm process technology will probably make AMD talk about their new Vega graphics, but it seems end users will have to wait, as datacenters come first.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
3,943 (2.10/day)
Location
USA
The wait on Vega shouldn't be to long then, seeing as how AMD only has like 10% of the data center market. lol
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2017
Messages
4,987 (5.84/day)
Location
Poland
System Name skurwiel szatan
Processor i7 5775c @4.3GHz/1.385v/EDRAM @2GHz
Motherboard Z97X Gaming 5
Cooling Noctua D15S
Memory Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP 1600 CL8 @2133 9-9-9-27 1T
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage SU900 128 (OS)/850 PRO 256+256+ 512,860 EVO 500,XPG SX950U 480,M9Pe(Y) 512 (games)/4TB HDDs (3+1)
Display(s) Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG dual monitor setup
Case Full tower
Audio Device(s) W830BT headphones
Power Supply Superflower Leadex Gold 850W
Mouse G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest
Keyboard Razer Deathstalker
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores A LOT
sweet, I tought it's gonna be feb/march next year. didn't expect it this year. a new zen 2 cpu for me this black friday ? :)
 
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
3,943 (2.10/day)
Location
USA
sweet, I tought it's gonna be feb/march next year. didn't expect it this year. a new zen 2 cpu for me this black friday ? :)
I will be surprised if they come out this year, but I am looking forward to what they have to say. I'd love to do a 3700x or 3800x, x570 mobo, and a new vega 7nm around Spring/summer of next year as a graduation gift to myself.
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
10,422 (5.46/day)
Location
Mars
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
I will be surprised if they come out this year, but I am looking forward to what they have to say. I'd love to do a 3700x or 3800x, x570 mobo, and a new vega 7nm around Spring/summer of next year as a graduation gift to myself.
What gives you the impression 7nm Vega is going to be a useful purchase?
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
10,422 (5.46/day)
Location
Mars
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ceo-lisa-su-promises-to-be-competitive-again-in-high-end-gpus.html

"AMD CEO Lisa Su promises to be competitive again in high-end GPUs"


edit: i meant Navi, not vega, my bad, which should be next summer release
My god

1541161087830.png



EDIT: exactly. Thanks. But that still doesn't save you because Navi is targeting mainstream, mid range, look at the sentence below the yellow one.

Some roadmap btw, they don't even know what's coming after Navi. And we don't even know what Navi is going to remotely look like either. Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe AMD will be competing in high end anytime soon. So far nothing is concrete except for rebrands and refreshes.
 
Joined
Sep 19, 2016
Messages
33 (0.03/day)
I will be surprised if they come out this year, but I am looking forward to what they have to say. I'd love to do a 3700x or 3800x, x570 mobo, and a new vega 7nm around Spring/summer of next year as a graduation gift to myself.
I don't see Vega 7nm coming to the desktop. But maybe you will be able to get Navi 7nm instead :). I'm hoping to get a R7 3700 or R7 3700X sometime next year with an x570 motherboard as a nice upgrade from the 1700X I'm using now. And maybe later upgrade my RX480 to a Navi based 7nm GPU.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2017
Messages
4,987 (5.84/day)
Location
Poland
System Name skurwiel szatan
Processor i7 5775c @4.3GHz/1.385v/EDRAM @2GHz
Motherboard Z97X Gaming 5
Cooling Noctua D15S
Memory Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP 1600 CL8 @2133 9-9-9-27 1T
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage SU900 128 (OS)/850 PRO 256+256+ 512,860 EVO 500,XPG SX950U 480,M9Pe(Y) 512 (games)/4TB HDDs (3+1)
Display(s) Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG dual monitor setup
Case Full tower
Audio Device(s) W830BT headphones
Power Supply Superflower Leadex Gold 850W
Mouse G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest
Keyboard Razer Deathstalker
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores A LOT
Best case scenario for Navi is RTX 2070 performance. Absolutely best case.
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
10,422 (5.46/day)
Location
Mars
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
Best case scenario for Navi is RTX 2070 performance. Absolutely best case.
Yes I think that is realistic. Except it will be two years too late again.
 
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
3,943 (2.10/day)
Location
USA
My god

View attachment 109742


EDIT: exactly. Thanks. But that still doesn't save you because Navi is targeting mainstream, mid range, look at the sentence below the yellow one.

Some roadmap btw, they don't even know what's coming after Navi. And we don't even know what Navi is going to remotely look like either. Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe AMD will be competing in high end anytime soon. So far nothing is concrete except for rebrands and refreshes.

yeah, I do read. professional market by end of year, Q1 2019... and I said Navi 7nm in Summer based on Lisa's statement they probably will try to compete high end, as the statement is recent.

Best case scenario for Navi is RTX 2070 performance. Absolutely best case.
your opinion only, Lisa says differently as of yesterday.
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
10,422 (5.46/day)
Location
Mars
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
yeah, I do read. professional market by end of year, Q1 2019... and I said Navi 7nm in Summer based on Lisa's statement they probably will try to compete high end, as the statement is recent.



your opinion only, Lisa says differently as of yesterday.
Yes, been there done that. So you think its realistic that this unknown 'NEXT-GEN' 7nm+ (non existant node on a non existant arch) is going to compete in the high end of whatever that is in 2020. And you're buying it in summer 2019 for graduation..

Great story. Stop spouting nonsense please and use your brain.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2017
Messages
4,987 (5.84/day)
Location
Poland
System Name skurwiel szatan
Processor i7 5775c @4.3GHz/1.385v/EDRAM @2GHz
Motherboard Z97X Gaming 5
Cooling Noctua D15S
Memory Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP 1600 CL8 @2133 9-9-9-27 1T
Video Card(s) RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage SU900 128 (OS)/850 PRO 256+256+ 512,860 EVO 500,XPG SX950U 480,M9Pe(Y) 512 (games)/4TB HDDs (3+1)
Display(s) Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG dual monitor setup
Case Full tower
Audio Device(s) W830BT headphones
Power Supply Superflower Leadex Gold 850W
Mouse G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest
Keyboard Razer Deathstalker
Software Windows 10
Benchmark Scores A LOT
Navi is gonna be the small-to-mid sized chip that's gonna power next gen consoles.Of course consoles will have priority to most of them.
 
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
3,943 (2.10/day)
Location
USA
It is not nonsense, AMD's plans might have had slotted in a new high end GPU, did you not read the words of Lisa Su yesterday... I just posted them... yes workstation comes first, but you have no idea what they are going to announce, and based on her words of wanting to still compete in high end GPU market, they could very well have decided a few months ago to slow in a high end new gpu based on navi 7nm 2019 release. Its not nonsense if she directly states she wants to compete with high end gpu market still.

Lets just wait and see what they announce November 6th instead of putting each other down.
 
Joined
Jun 29, 2018
Messages
9 (0.02/day)
Processor Q6700 2.66 GHz
Motherboard yup
Cooling fan
Software installed
sweet, I tought it's gonna be feb/march next year. didn't expect it this year. a new zen 2 cpu for me this black friday ? :)
Black Friday sounds perfectly plausible for Zen2 desktop availability. Black Friday 2019 that is.

It is likely to be announced in spring (2019) though.
 
Joined
Sep 19, 2016
Messages
33 (0.03/day)
Navi is gonna be the small-to-mid sized chip that's gonna power next gen consoles.Of course consoles will have priority to most of them.
Navi is just the Architectural design of the chip that will be used in the Playstation 5. This means the changes to the architecture (compared to Vega) will be focused on the needs of gamers. What should be understood is that Navi can be built in multiple sizes like Polaris was. Meaning a Midsized, small, and possibly a large version. The one used in the Playstation 5 will be part of a Zen based APU. The big question though is how big will Navi be (mm2) I'd imagine the chip will be sized between a Polaris 10 chip(232mm2) and maybe a GP104 (314mm2). I don't see them making a monolithic sized chip on 7nm yet like the GP102 (Titan Xp 471mm2) and exspecially not one like the TU102 (GTX 2080Ti 754mm2).

We will have to see how big AMD decides to make Navi next year. As of now performance is anyone's guess and whether or not Nvidia will release a 7nm GPU next year is also up in the air although I doubt it will be in the near term as the GTX 2x00 series just got released maybe near the end of the year, but I'm betting more on 2020.
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
10,422 (5.46/day)
Location
Mars
Processor i7 8700k 4.7Ghz @ 1.26v
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X @ 2100/5500
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Eizo Foris FG2421
Case Fractal Design Define C TG
Power Supply EVGA G2 750w
Mouse Logitech G502 Protheus Spectrum
Keyboard Sharkoon MK80 (Brown)
Software W10 x64
It is not nonsense, AMD's plans might have had slotted in a new high end GPU, did you not read the words of Lisa Su yesterday... I just posted them... yes workstation comes first, but you have no idea what they are going to announce, and based on her words of wanting to still compete in high end GPU market, they could very well have decided a few months ago to slow in a high end new gpu based on navi 7nm 2019 release. Its not nonsense if she directly states she wants to compete with high end gpu market still.

Lets just wait and see what they announce November 6th instead of putting each other down.
Fine, let's wait and see so you can come to my conclusion in 4 days' time. No biggie.

I want a nice fast car, doesn't mean I'm getting one... You really have problems with reading comprehension - or just wishful thinking, blissfully ignorant of the facts and actual statements she made:

1541165033798.png


You can minus 1 me for calling you out on bullshit, but you started with Vega 7nm for 2019, then jumped to Navi because you got corrected, and now its 'something she will announce on Nov 6.'

Make up your mind, or just be honest and stop jumping to conclusions based on nothing. I get allergic reactions like this.
 
Last edited:

infrared

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
May 28, 2005
Messages
4,923 (0.93/day)
Location
South of England
System Name Box of Distraction
Processor Ryzen 7 1800X
Motherboard Crosshair VI Hero
Cooling Custom watercooling
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 2x8GB @ 3466MHz CL14 1T
Video Card(s) EVGA 1080Ti FE. WC'd & TDP limit increased to 360W.
Storage Samsung 960 Evo 500GB & WD Black 2TB storage drive.
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 1440P 165hz Gsync
Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Audio Device(s) Phillips Fidelio X2 headphones / basic Bose speakers
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 750W G3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 6.0 (mx red switches)
Software Win 10 & Linux Mint
Benchmark Scores https://hwbot.org/user/infrared
Ooooh, I can't wait to get a 3700X, my old 1800X has served me really well.
 
Joined
Jun 15, 2016
Messages
1,041 (0.82/day)
Location
Pristina
System Name My PC
Processor 4670K@4.4GHz
Motherboard Gryphon Z87
Cooling CM 212
Memory 2x8GB+2x4GB @2400GHz
Video Card(s) XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS Black Edition 1425MHz OC+, 8GB
Storage Intel 530 SSD 480GB + Intel 510 SSD 120GB + 2x500GB hdd raid 1
Display(s) HP envy 32 1440p
Case CM Mastercase 5
Audio Device(s) Sbz ZXR
Power Supply Antec 620W
Mouse G502
Keyboard G910
Software Win 10 pro
Joined
Apr 30, 2011
Messages
1,458 (0.46/day)
Location
Greece
Processor AMD FX-8350 4GHz@1.3V
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-970A UD3 Rev3.0
Cooling Zalman CNPS9X Optima
Memory 2*4GB Patriot Venom RED DDR3 1600MHz CL9
Video Card(s) Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 Pulse 8GB
Storage Sandisk SSD 120GB, Samsung F1 1TB, Hitachi HUS724040ALE640 4TB
Display(s) LG IPS235
Case Zalman Neo Z9 Black
Audio Device(s) Via 7.1 onboard
Power Supply OCZ Z550
Mouse Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
Keyboard Trust GXT280
Software Win 7 sp1 64bit
Benchmark Scores CB R15 64bit: single core 99p, multicore 647p WPrime 1.55 (8 cores): 9.0 secs
Let's see if they will unveil the new layout and packaging details on EPYC. On the GPU side I don't excepet anything for desktop PCs atm. Small Navi (Polaris successor) 1st in 1H/2019 and the big one (Vega10 successor) in late 2019 is all we know for now.
 
Joined
Aug 8, 2015
Messages
81 (0.05/day)
Location
Finland
System Name Gaming rig
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus X570-Plus TUF
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S /w dual fans
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 2x16GB 3200C16 @3733
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX Vega 56 Pulse
Storage Samsung 970 Pro 1TB, Crucial MX500 2TB, Samsung 860 QVO 4TB
Display(s) Samsung C32HG7x
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Essence STX
Power Supply Corsair RM850i 850W
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Windows 10 Pro
Seems to be a long haul waiting for a decently prized HDR monitor and GPU. Next year, or maybe 2020? Won't be upgrading from my my RX480 before those criteria are met.
 
Joined
Aug 2, 2011
Messages
1,223 (0.40/day)
Processor Core i7 7820X @ 4.8GHz
Motherboard Asrock Taichi XE
Cooling Custom loop, 2x360mm radiator,TTRiing fans, EK XRes140,EK Supremacy EVO
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill RGB 3600MHz C16
Video Card(s) Aorus RTX 2080 Ti Xtreme Waterforce WB 2050 core 8200 mem
Storage 960 EVO 1TB,XPG SX8200 Pro,Micron 1100 2TB SSD,OCZ Vector 512GB,750GB Samsung,1.5TB Caviar Green
Display(s) Acer X34P, Acer XB270HU
Case LianLi O11 Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1, Corsair Void Pro RGB
Power Supply EVGA P2 850W
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Keyboard Razer Black Widow Ultimate 2016 Edition
Software Win 10 x64
Guys guys guys, tone down your expectations. Only 7nm EPYC was projected by the end of the year. Ryzen 7 3rd gen won't be until, maybe, end of Q1 2019.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
2,674 (1.10/day)
Guys guys guys, tone down your expectations. Only 7nm EPYC was projected by the end of the year. Ryzen 7 3rd gen won't be until, maybe, end of Q1 2019.
Ryzen 3 or Ryzen 2+ (depending on what changes AMD makes to the core) will lag the desktop release by at least 6 months. So don't expect any (major or minor) revision to the chips before the end of 2019.
 
Joined
Jun 10, 2014
Messages
1,816 (0.90/day)
Navi is gonna be the small-to-mid sized chip that's gonna power next gen consoles.Of course consoles will have priority to most of them.
Not to mention that the development is funded by Sony…

It is not nonsense, AMD's plans might have had slotted in a new high end GPU, did you not read the words of Lisa Su yesterday... I just posted them... yes workstation comes first, but you have no idea what they are going to announce, and based on her words of wanting to still compete in high end GPU market, they could very well have decided a few months ago to slow in a high end new gpu based on navi 7nm 2019 release. Its not nonsense if she directly states she wants to compete with high end gpu market still.
Well, that depends on what Lisa Su means by "high end", it might not be what consumers think it is.
AMD have already stated that Navi 10 will perform with "Vega level performance".

Navi is just the Architectural design of the chip that will be used in the Playstation 5. This means the changes to the architecture (compared to Vega) will be focused on the needs of gamers.
And how does this differ from previous GCN iterations? Are you implying that Vega was not focused on gaming?

What should be understood is that Navi can be built in multiple sizes like Polaris was. Meaning a Midsized, small, and possibly a large version. The one used in the Playstation 5 will be part of a Zen based APU. The big question though is how big will Navi be (mm2) I'd imagine the chip will be sized between a Polaris 10 chip(232mm2) and maybe a GP104 (314mm2). I don't see them making a monolithic sized chip on 7nm yet like the GP102 (Titan Xp 471mm2) and exspecially not one like the TU102 (GTX 2080Ti 754mm2).
GPU designs are normally scaled down, not up.
You have to remember that Turing is ~2× more energy efficient and offers close to 2× performance per TFLOP compared to Vega. Even with the advantage of 7nm, a ~300mm² Navi to compete with RTX 2080 Ti is pure fantasy.

Navi will not be multi-chip, so monolithic it is.
 
Top