And so... I bought Arrow Lake (13700k to 265k), my thoughts.

[warriorunited]

Hello everyone.

So, i was on the verge of upgrading or not my 13700k (paired with an Asus Z790-H Gaming), because i was very wasted of how hot and power consumer that CPU was, i kept that CPU for two years, i even faced some problems and tried to get TPU help here and here, and then when Arrow Lake and Ryzen 9800x3d came up i started to think about what to do.

I always felt confortable with Intel, i've had many CPU's from them and never faced issues with rams, drivers, only this thing to cool down that hot guy called 13700k... With AMD, a totally different story, eveytime i tried to have an AMD product, it never, but never, went smooth, specially with their graphics cards (yes, i prefer to pay more for Nvida even it's a little worse than AMD everytime of the day) wich was always a terrible experiencie, same with Ryzen CPU's.

We all know arrow lake launch wasn't good, problems and performance not as expected, etc... So i obviously started to think on what to do, i just couldn't keep that CPU any longer, so i was going to update anyways, just couldn't decide AMD or Intel.

So, what made me decide on buying Intel? Two situations:
- 265k and Asus Z890-F Gaming mobo were on very good discounted price at a local store, the upgrade wasn't going to be that expensive, and i started to think about it, and i was aware of all the situations related to Arrow Lake.
- I've built a PC to a close friend with 9800X3D with a nice Motherboard MSI X870 Carbon, he already had DDR5 ram from his 12700k, so we decided to re-use it for the new build... Dear lord, i never faced so many problems just to trying to get that thing TO POST, RAM issues here and there, all the time, and in the end he ended up complaining that the games the he played wasn't being that smooth or stutter free as he tought it would (and some bluescreens too).

So, specially the second situation made my decision, i got home, and ordered the CPU+Z890 Mobo i wanted, because i didn't want to face those issues again on MY computer, hell no.

After a week using this build, guys, i couldn't be more happy with my change, this CPU runs WAY more cold than 13700k did, by a huge difference:

- I was using Dark Rock Pro 5 (yes, i've upgraded from Dark Rock Pro 4 while i was using 13700k just to see if i could see any difference, it did, but not enough), and 13700k just by being idle was around 35-38º, 265kº is +/- 25º and my fans are runing at around 300 rpm right now, they are almost stop.
- With 13700k, some actions i did like opening some apps, compression etc, i could hear instantly the fans of the cooler because of the temps, with 265k i just don't even hear a damn thing, nothing.
- One of the games i play a lot is Battlefield 2042, it was a pain to play it with 13700k, that CPU made the cooler running 90% of the time at full speed because the temps were reaching 90º (or 100º), with 265k, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT, the CPU reaches 65º-70º depending on what's happening and the power draw is way much lower... And the best of all?? The game is running more smooth and stutter free then before, i'm impressed.

Probably i got lucky, because at launch there were a lot of issues with motherboards and windows, and for me everything was butter smooth, because first of everything, i updated the BIOS right away to the latest version wich includes some fixes to the CPU, my motherboard came with the initial release BIOS, version 0503

I didn't faced any issues installing windows, like zero... Just a normal quick installation, drivers, all windows updates done, and some optimizations here and there, no problems. Oh, best of all? No RAM issues, plug and play, XMP on and working 100%.

I believe the issues are going to be fixed over time, it doesn't erase the bad launch this CPU had, but as of me? I couldn't be happier so far, and i'm going to be the first one to complain if everything starts to fail or not working as expected.

I created this post if people want to make some questions regarding the CPU, since there's very little info related to it (which is normal, sales are low), and you could even give me some tips/hints that i'm not aware of, and i will try to test games at every microcode update if you guys want.

P.S. Forgot to mention, i play at 1440p when i'm using monitor (FPS and RTS games) and 4k when using TV (all the rest).

Best regards all!

 

[Macro Device]

Cool! Congratulations.

Do you own CP2077?
Do you mind going for a 30+ minute (not including the game and monitoring software downloads) test for me?

If you do and don't then:
0. Install CP2077 full vanilla, no mods, no nothing. Find a save file in which you have full access to all the Night City on the internet if you don't have one on your PC.
1. Go to BIOS, set all cores to 4 GHz (I mean, ALL cores. E-cores too!)
2. Launch the game.
2.1. Launch FPS monitoring (AVG + 1% lows).
3. Run at the lowest possible settings, RT disabled, DLSS Quality (1440p), or DLSS Performance (4K) (no need to use both displays, choose the most convenient one). But set crowd density to high.
4. Move around CPU intensive areas such as Megabuilding H10 and Dogtown near Barghest HQ. Wouldn't hurt wandering around for more time if you don't mind.
5. Write down average FPS and 1% lows.
6. Repeat the test but at stock clocks.

I know it's a long ass test so you're totally free to avoid doing this without even explaining why. But I'll be grateful!

 

[Marcus L]

Hello everyone.

So, i was on the verge of upgrading or not my 13700k (paired with an Asus Z790-H Gaming), because i was very wasted of how hot and power consumer that CPU was, i kept that CPU for two years, i even faced some problems and tried to get TPU help here and here, and then when Arrow Lake and Ryzen 9800x3d came up i started to think about what to do.

I always felt confortable with Intel, i've had many CPU's from them and never faced issues with rams, drivers, only this thing to cool down that hot guy called 13700k... With AMD, a totally different story, eveytime i tried to have an AMD product, it never, but never, went smooth, specially with their graphics cards (yes, i prefer to pay more for Nvida even it's a little worse than AMD everytime of the day) wich was always a terrible experiencie, same with Ryzen CPU's.

We all know arrow lake launch wasn't good, problems and performance not as expected, etc... So i obviously started to think on what to do, i just couldn't keep that CPU any longer, so i was going to update anyways, just couldn't decide AMD or Intel.

So, what made me decide on buying Intel? Two situations:
- 265k and Asus Z890-F Gaming mobo were on very good discounted price at a local store, the upgrade wasn't going to be that expensive, and i started to think about it, and i was aware of all the situations related to Arrow Lake.
- I've built a PC to a close friend with 9800X3D with a nice Motherboard MSI X870 Carbon, he already had DDR5 ram from his 12700k, so we decided to re-use it for the new build... Dear lord, i never faced so many problems just to trying to get that thing TO POST, RAM issues here and there, all the time, and in the end he ended up complaining that the games the he played wasn't being that smooth or stutter free as he tought it would (and some bluescreens too).

So, specially the second situation made my decision, i got home, and ordered the CPU+Z890 Mobo i wanted, because i didn't want to face those issues again on MY computer, hell no.

After a week using this build, guys, i couldn't be more happy with my change, this CPU runs WAY more cold than 13700k did, by a huge difference:

- I was using Dark Rock Pro 5 (yes, i've upgraded from Dark Rock Pro 4 while i was using 13700k just to see if i could see any difference, it did, but not enough), and 13700k just by being idle was around 35-38º, 265kº is +/- 25º and my fans are runing at around 300 rpm right now, they are almost stop.
- With 13700k, some actions i did like opening some apps, compression etc, i could hear instantly the fans of the cooler because of the temps, with 265k i just don't even hear a damn thing, nothing.
- One of the games i play a lot is Battlefield 2042, it was a pain to play it with 13700k, that CPU made the cooler running 90% of the time at full speed because the temps were reaching 90º (or 100º), with 265k, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT, the CPU reaches 65º-70º depending on what's happening and the power draw is way much lower... And the best of all?? The game is running more smooth and stutter free then before, i'm impressed.

Probably i got lucky, because at launch there were a lot of issues with motherboards and windows, and for me everything was butter smooth, because first of everything, i updated the BIOS right away to the latest version wich includes some fixes to the CPU, my motherboard came with the initial release BIOS, version 0503

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I didn't faced any issues installing windows, like zero... Just a normal quick installation, drivers, all windows updates done, and some optimizations here and there, no problems. Oh, best of all? No RAM issues, plug and play, XMP on and working 100%.

I believe the issues are going to be fixed over time, it doesn't erase the bad launch this CPU had, but as of me? I couldn't be happier so far, and i'm going to be the first one to complain if everything starts to fail or not working as expected.

I created this post if people want to make some questions regarding the CPU, since there's very little info related to it (which is normal, sales are low), and you could even give me some tips/hints that i'm not aware of, and i will try to test games at every microcode update if you guys want.

P.S. Forgot to mention, i play at 1440p when i'm using monitor (FPS and RTS games) and 4k when using TV (all the rest).

Best regards all!

So you leave your fans on auto and are impressed because they aren't spinning up as fast? I mean you could just do what most enthusiasts do and create a custom fan profile in the BIOS, mine are inaudible until my CPU hits at least 60-65c as there are always spikes where the CPU will jump up to 50-55c for split seconds even while seemingly not doing much, I don't want to hear my fans constantly spin up and down and whirring for normal tasks, congrats that is the basis of your HW purchasing choice, and it was nice you decided to include a secluded AMD build that doesn't line up with the majority of AMD Ryzen 7000/9000 users experience, it's cool you have a hardon for Intel, but you don't have to justify or try to sway other users by your completely unscientific "testing", just enjoy your system, but stop with the virtue signalling, everyone and their dog knows that AMD 7000/9000 are by far the better platform compared to Intel's offerings, sad but true, I also have been AMD for the last 5 years and guess what? no issues with installing Windows, RAM or plug and play *shock horror*

Sounds like you are trying to justify your purchase choice of a "sidegrade" Intel system whilst trashing AMD in the process to back up your choices, no need, enjoy your 265 system that yes, is likely cooler and more power efficient than a 13700k with it's caveats

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Should have went 14700K instead. But hey, it turns on and works, feels fast on fresh OS. God I hope so for all that money and work!!

 

[ir_cow]

12th-14th gen was designed to turbo up to 100c. Even AMD does Turbo for 95c. This is what has changed over the years and the line of thinking need to as well. Base clocks is no longer the temperature baseline. It is simply what your turbo clock is at and if it throttles during X load. This can be changed based on the CPU power target and cooling.

For example, I have a 13900K in my personal computer. I also have the power limit set to 253w (defaults). I have no need to go above this on a daily bases. I set my fans to 700 RPM and it sits around 88c under load. However, the same CPU can be unleased to 380watts easily enough and I can cool it just the same with higher fan RPM. Same goes for the Ultra 285K. I've managed 340watts already in R24 just by unlocking power limit (4093) and changing / playing with the frequency and DLVR voltage.

Temp doesn't matter, just the power target does for X performance.

 

[warriorunited]

Sounds like you are trying to justify your purchase choice of a "sidegrade" Intel system whilst trashing AMD in the process to back up your choices, no need, enjoy your 265 system that yes, is likely cooler and more power efficient than a 13700k with it's caveats

Nope, i'm not trying to justify my "bad purchase" , since i was aware of everything related to this CPU and MY PERSONAL reasons and experiences to avoid AMD had to be stated here to avoid questions like "why did you even go arrow lake instead of AMD? omg omg?". AMD fans don't need to be hurt with my statements, because in the end it's just a PERSONAL opinion/experience.

Anyways, i created this thread for people to ask me questions about the CPU since there's very low information about it, to share MY EXPERIENCE with the CPU, and i will be the first to blame myself for MY decision, and you're no one to point me a finger to a decision that I made.

In the end, i've decided to report and ask to delete this thread, since AMD fans are going to be buthurt, and my objective was to be a useful thread, not for people to come here to blame MY DECISION and not being useful at all, because in the end all that matters is our experience and if we're happy with it or not.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nice to see some first-hand experience with it. This generation's an easy skip for me (I cannot justify a 285K over my i9-13900KS, especially packing a Z790 Apex Encore), and being honest I'd pick the 9800X3D over the 265K if I happened to be building today, but at least it gives me hope Intel will keep their word and fix this mess up.

In the end, i've decided to report and ask to delete this thread, since AMD fans are going to be buthurt, and my objective was to be a useful thread, not for people to come here to blame MY DECISION and not being useful at all, because in the end all that matters is our experience and if we're happy with it or not.

There's no need, I've been called out and even accused of being a "thread crapper" by some of the regulars just because I don't share their views on this stuff. My personal experience is closer to the one you've been having, perhaps because I tend to buy ASUS motherboards every time as well, who knows? I'm not the type to hold grudges. I'm very interested in the thread and on your genuine feedback. Cheers!

btw - I'm with @Macro Device, try some games and tell us how you feel. Reviews are one thing, but real world experiences cannot be beat!

 

[warriorunited]

9800X3D over the 265K

My tough was the same for a long time, last minute decision in my mind... I had one 9800X3D launch price ready to pick, i just changed my mind for all the reasons i mentioned... But yes, the "normal" person would pick 9800x3d easily instead of 265k, it's what makes sense right now.

but at least it gives me hope Intel will keep their word and fix this mess up.

Like i said, maybe i got lucky, because i'm using the latest BIOS with some fixes to the CPU already applied, and saw some comments around reddit saying the latest microcode included on this BIOS already improved a bit the CPU in gaming. If they are really going to fix it 100%, i have no idea, but at least they seem to be trying and give some hope to this CPU's.

perhaps because I tend to buy ASUS motherboards every time as well

Same as myself, i only buy ASUS motherboards because my experience with ALL of them that i had until now was just perfect. The first time i tried another brand some years ago in Z490 line-up, at first i bought an MSI motherboard and damn it was a nightmare mobo full of issues... I've returned the motherboard, and grabbed Asus again, and problems gone.

I tend to be a person that keeps with the products that provides me a good experience... Fractal for cases, Be quiet for cooling, Samsung for monitors (yeah i know , maybe just lucky, again...), etc...

Btw, another comparison benchmarking on Cinebench: 13700k temps 100º in seconds, 265k didn't past 72-75º average, everything stock (like 13700k was) with air cooler. Again, impressed on this matter.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

With 13700k, some actions i did like opening some apps, compression etc, i could hear instantly the fans of the cooler because of the temps, with 265k i just don't even hear a damn thing, nothing.
- One of the games i play a lot is Battlefield 2042, it was a pain to play it with 13700k, that CPU made the cooler running 90% of the time at full speed because the temps were reaching 90º (or 100º), with 265k, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT, the CPU reaches 65º-70º depending on what's happening and the power draw is way much lower... And the best of all?? The game is running more smooth and stutter free then before, i'm impressed.

on my test bench with a 2024 batch 13700k I never had this issue, running it 5.5/4.5 (P/E) with just 1.17v (vid) and 1.24v on vcore, y-cruncher and OCCT Stress tested with DDR5 8000MT's on a ROG Strix Z790i. s, you must be doing something wrong to hate the 13700K and AMD altogether.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My tough was the same for a long time, last minute decision in my mind... I had one 9800X3D launch price ready to pick, i just changed my mind for all the reasons i mentioned... But yes, the "normal" person would pick 9800x3d easily instead of 265k, it's what makes sense right now.



Like i said, maybe i got lucky, because i'm using the latest BIOS with some fixes to the CPU already applied, and saw some comments around reddit saying the latest microcode included on this BIOS already improved a bit the CPU in gaming. If they are really going to fix it 100%, i have no idea, but at least they seem to be trying and give some hope to this CPU's.



Same as myself, i only buy ASUS motherboards because my experience with ALL of them that i had until now was just perfect. The first time i tried another brand some years ago in Z490 line-up, at first i bought an MSI motherboard and damn it was a nightmare mobo full of issues... I've returned the motherboard, and grabbed Asus again, and problems gone.

I tend to be a person that keeps with the products that provides me a good experience... Fractal for cases, Be quiet for cooling, Samsung for monitors (yeah i know , maybe just lucky, again...), etc...

Btw, another comparison benchmarking on Cinebench: 13700k temps 100º in seconds, 265k didn't past 72-75º average, everything stock (like 13700k was) with air cooler. Again, impressed on this matter.

Honestly, I don't fault you - I've been there in that exact situation, I meant to upgrade to the 7950X, but ended up going Intel specifically because I experienced tons of bugs with my Ryzen 5950X build, launch AM5 was a crapshoot with long boot times (memory training) and I wanted something more stable, considered I'd be going to uni again and couldn't spend time troubleshooting. I'm glad the CPU-killing bugs of late haven't affected me, the machine has delivered what I wanted out of it - performance and uptime.

The bugs with AM5 that I had a problem with were largely resolved, memory training works great now and there aren't any showstoppers, so if building today, that'd what I'd pick, at least until Arrow's quirks are completely fixed and a "285KS" comes out.

I had a good experience with MSI, my Z690 Ace was a great motherboard. But it malfunctioned - ended up replacing it middle of the way. Will be revisiting it sometime soon, hopefully it is fixable.

on my test bench with a 2024 batch 13700k I never had this issue, running it 5.5/4.5 (P/E) with just 1.17v (vid) and 1.24v on vcore, y-cruncher and OCCT Stress tested with DDR5 8000MT's on a ROG Strix Z790i. s, you must be doing something wrong to hate the 13700K and AMD altogether.

Looks like he just disliked how hot the thing got. Which, being honest, i'll give him that much. I suppose Arrow is easier to cool than Raptor

 

[chrcoluk]

Something wasnt right with your old setup, for all its faults the 13700k and intel in general is very good at idle, so your high temps at idle is evidence of an issue there.

But regardless the main thing is you have it working in a way you like now, so thats good moving forward.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The bummer is, not seeing shots of screen of benchmarks and temps and power consumption....

This thread lacks visual information. Anything would be great. Like anything at all from anyone. How does one compare against another. We got a single screen shot of Bios version from oe website lol.

Does 265K do tweaking things?

Must beat previous platform for logical and sane purchases.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

This thread lacks visual information.

I will do mine later when I get home, I am still at work..

 

[Epeksergastis]

Hello sir/madam!

Hope you are feeling well.

I see this thread's purpose is to shed light in the 265k CPU, as information online about various benchmarks and use cases are scarce, due to poor sales of this CPU and Arrow Lake in general.

This architecture seems to suffer from high latency issues, not present in prior Intel monolithic CPU generations.

To this end, I have three requests for you.

I want you to test:

1) Raw Timeline performance in any video editor of your choice, in high resolution. If there is any lag dragging around the timeline.

2) Replicate the tests indicated in this video

3) Test RPCS3 performance as the Techpowerup gives very little information on their testing methodology. Test MGS4, Sonic Unleashed, Killzone 2/3.

Thank you.