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So it has crippled RAM and SLI/CF support or at least on entry model ??????? Is this FUD ?? Where's the value in that ??
@cdawall you still/going to run dual 480's??? is this going to be an issue. Not sure what is being said about this wonderful lineup...........
..... How is this coming about, by the layout of the chip or ??????
I would hate to find out later that a new purchase is not like a full fledged item........
Don't really matter about the overclocking, at least not out of the gate if it will do 5Ghz yippee, if not ok! Same as Kabylake there.
I can't go too far into specifics let's just say ram clocking with current bios's isn't optimal.

Dual cards can and will work fine (dual 8x). The only pcie limits are if you try pushing multiple nvme etc. So not normal user situations.

Overclocking? Let's just say it is taking LN2 to hit 5.2 and you can guess from there.
 
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Remember guys, this is a BRAND new platform. Teething issues are bound to be present.

That said, there are rumours that Ryzen IMC is near 100% efficiency. If true then great times are indeed coming. Hence the benchies with low spec & amount of RAM up to now. I haven't seen a single Ryzen bench showing more than 2 sticks and 2400Mhz, yet.
 
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So it has crippled RAM and SLI/CF support or at least on entry model ??????? Is this FUD ?? Where's the value in that ??
@cdawall you still/going to run dual 480's??? is this going to be an issue. Not sure what is being said about this wonderful lineup...........
..... How is this coming about, by the layout of the chip or ??????
I would hate to find out later that a new purchase is not like a full fledged item........
Don't really matter about the overclocking, at least not out of the gate if it will do 5Ghz yippee, if not ok! Same as Kabylake there.
Crippled RAM: no
Crippled SLI/CF support: no. I think you are referring to the amount of PCIE lanes, Ryzen will have the regular amount of x24 3.0 from CPU and another 8 from chipset as far as I know, which is more than enough for dual GPU and a mainstream platform.
 

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Remember guys, this is a BRAND new platform. Teething issues are bound to be present.

That said, there are rumours that Ryzen IMC is near 100% efficiency. If true then great times are indeed coming. Hence the benchies with low spec & amount of RAM up to now. I haven't seen a single Ryzen bench showing more than 2 sticks and 2400Mhz, yet.
It'll do more fine. It is a bios dependent thing even on the same board.
 
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This thread amuses me....

It all comes down to common sense. Either you have it or you don't. Simple as that.
 
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Crippled RAM: no
Crippled SLI/CF support: no. I think you are referring to the amount of PCIE lanes, Ryzen will have the regular amount of x24 3.0 from CPU and another 8 from chipset as far as I know, which is more than enough for dual GPU and a mainstream platform.
It's funny, isn't it? nVidia actually IS crippling SLi and no1 says squat.

It'll do more fine. It is a bios dependent thing even on the same board.
That is different from any other time in PC history how? Crosshair6 BIOS can do 3200 IIRC so I expect there isn't much issue/s, going forward we should see similar capabilities on all boards. You know Ryzen press kits are being sent out with cl15 3000? IIRC

2 more days :)
 
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It's funny, isn't it? nVidia actually IS crippling SLi and no1 says squat.



That is different from any other time in PC history how? Crosshair6 BIOS can do 3200 IIRC so I expect there isn't much issue/s, going forward we should see similar capabilities on all boards. You know Ryzen press kits are being sent out with cl15 3000? IIRC

2 more days :)
What does Nvidia have to do with AMD's CPU department? And how is it crippling SLI? By requiring x8/x8? By not allowing it on lower midrange GPU?

IMO those are both non-arguments and I for one applaud Nvidia for only supporting 2 way on high end / upper midrange because that is where it makes sense financially, and 3/4 way SLI never ever made sense in any case. In addition previous lower end GPUs WITH SLI actually ran like shit because they suffered heavily from the narrow bus, and often times also asymmetric VRAM setups (GTX 660, 970, 660ti - the worst cards you could possibly SLI with ever, yet at the same time the cards MOST COMMONLY SEEN in SLI, I've been one of them, and it was the worst investment in GPU I've ever done).

Meanwhile Nvidia's SLI support within games is pretty damn solid, overall. I honestly don't see your point.
 

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That is different from any other time in PC history how? Crosshair6 BIOS can do 3200 IIRC so I expect there isn't much issue/s, going forward we should see similar capabilities on all boards. You know Ryzen press kits are being sent out with cl15 3000? IIRC

2 more days :)
I'm replying from I'm having it and playing with a much higher spec kit than 3000cl15 on it. This wasn't an aspiration or guess into the future.
 
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What does Nvidia have to do with AMD's CPU department? And how is it crippling SLI? By requiring x8/x8? By not allowing it on lower midrange GPU?

IMO those are both non-arguments and I for one applaud Nvidia for only supporting 2 way on high end / upper midrange because that is where it makes sense financially, and 3/4 way SLI never ever made sense in any case. In addition previous lower end GPUs WITH SLI actually ran like shit because they suffered heavily from the narrow bus, and often times also asymmetric VRAM setups (GTX 660, 970, 660ti - the worst cards you could possibly SLI with ever, yet at the same time the cards MOST COMMONLY SEEN in SLI, I've been one of them, and it was the worst investment in GPU I've ever done).

Meanwhile Nvidia's SLI support within games is pretty damn solid, overall. I honestly don't see your point.
Funny how people rationalize things.

Now that AMDs multi GPU solution is catching up to/surpassing nVidia, it isn't a desired feature? DX12 promisses better multi GPU support, Oh Well it's too hard to code for all applications. Lower tier cards benefit the most from multi GPU, let's make it a feature on the 'high end' only.

The cards should have FULL access to the bandwith available, even if they can't fully saturate the bus yet. Linking cards with a ribbon? What is this 1998 or something?

LoLoLoL
 
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With soooo much blabble it's been hard to really see what is a real issue and not.
Look's like it's going to be a pretty nice injection into a slow CPU advancement.
I got to hope that both company's will/[should] now strive harder to advance even more:rockout:
Chance of me actually going to the new AMD platform is pretty slim, hell even to Intel pretty slim, but at least in a couple years it may have something for me to go to then, either way.
rumours that Ryzen IMC is near 100% efficiency
This, reminds me of how Intel tweaked the shit outta of my Z68 ram system
pushing multiple nvme etc. So not normal user situations
Wasn't this the same with the Intel camp early on, so it's going to all work out as it get's thru teething issues

I think all platforms have their spot for different consumers and it's just a matter of time to dial them in.
At least hoping this can bring prices for better platforms down to where someone could actually "step up" a notch on a given budget
Even though it's early, gotta say Good job AMD, hoping it all works out for them [and us consumers]
 

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Wasn't this the same with the Intel camp early on, so it's going to all work out as it get's thru teething issues

I think all platforms have their spot for different consumers and it's just a matter of time to dial them in.
At least hoping this can bring prices for better platforms down to where someone could actually "step up" a notch on a given budget
Even though it's early, gotta say Good job AMD, hoping it all works out for them [and us consumers]
It is a great deal for consumers, but it is going to take a bit for these BIOS's to be good.
 

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Clickbait is common now here, that's a problem, example remixedcat topic.
 
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I can't believe anyone would complain about having too much news about a hot new product. There's just no pleasing some people, they'll bitch about anything. :shadedshu: And it's in the forum anyway, not the front page and shows the level of interest in Ryzen. The front page doesn't cover it quite enough in my opinion.

@FordGT90Concept Good point there and well made.
there isn't one I'd read it elsewhere if not here,and here's best ,I'd like a big rumour banner but only so I don't see a thread like this.
On the one hand I get people want truth to be fact but I'm not bothered since The facts are often slim and spread out especially on an nda object which would give us nothing concrete for another two days about rysen and nothing on Intel's workings for years( if we awaited a trial verdict) on the latest gossip.
Forums are for help, knowledge and gossip imho ,what else.
If the story states its a rumour then I'm fine with whatever comes next.
And imho Intel are either right back on it or in more shocking form then I thought,be real there's money and jobs involved ,Intel should in a way at least have their ear in the loop.
 
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Funny how people rationalize things.

Now that AMDs multi GPU solution is catching up to/surpassing nVidia, it isn't a desired feature? DX12 promisses better multi GPU support, Oh Well it's too hard to code for all applications. Lower tier cards benefit the most from multi GPU, let's make it a feature on the 'high end' only.

The cards should have FULL access to the bandwith available, even if they can't fully saturate the bus yet. Linking cards with a ribbon? What is this 1998 or something?

LoLoLoL
In fact if you ask anyone for advice on graphics cards, those with common sense will always tell you to prefer single card of lower tiers over a dual GPU solution, unless you're buying into (one of) the most powerful cards already and need the extra performance. That 'rationale' has been as old as SLI or Crossfire itself.

The cost/perf advantage of dual GPU solutions is 10-15% over a more powerful single GPU, on average. That's 15-20 bucks for midrange cards, 30-50 bucks for upper mid range/high end, taking into account already that games don't scale perfectly. With that minimal win on purchase cost, you do get a lot of drawbacks, of which lacking SLI/Crossfire support in specific game titles is the biggest one and the only one that also applies to the high end cards. However when you go into lower price ranges, the VRAM/ bus width issue pops up. Also with AMD cards, but Nvidia's suffer more readily from it. You talked about 'having full bandwidth available' which I don't really understand. PCIE lane bandwidth, VRAM bandwidth? Both ARE available... you're just bottlenecking on VRAM very fast.

As I've pointed out, I have practical experience with midrange cards on SLI. It was not a good graphics solution, the end result was less consistent performance with a pretty significant price tag. Back then it was early Kepler days, when AMD was making the news with their frame pacing issues. Back then, I drew this conclusion, not today.

Today however it's even easier to draw this conclusion, with DX12 placing the workload for solid SLI support not just in the hands of Nvidia+AMD but also explicitly in the developers' court and especially if you look at current day DX12 status where multi GPU support is hard to find. DX12 promises a lot of things, because Microsoft is selling it. We have yet to see the real advantages of it in games.
 
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