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So I'm planning on upgrading to a 3600x when it comes out, but I want it to be a really budget update as possible, skipping over a lot of things like a new PSU as my current one doesn't even officially support 2 8 pin cards like the one I have in my PC right now but oh well. I've seen many people recently buying additional coolers for their PC's, either extra air coolers or AIO coolers, so will there be any point in me getting a non-stock cooler with my upgrade? Even with my current CPU I don't have any temp issues with an extremely basic cooling solution and that thing is infamous for running extremely hot.
 

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If you do not plan to add voltage to the CPU or overclock it, the stock solution will get you by.
 

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Also, depending on final specs and price, a 3600 (non-X) version might be a way to cut cost.
 

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A!MDs stock coolers are actually decent not like that cheap aluminum slug with a fan Intel uses for stock.
 
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If you do not plan to add voltage to the CPU or overclock it, the stock solution will get you by.
while true it does however limit performance at full load sometimes,because XFR and PBO on Ryzen works really well to clock up your cpu when possible, now if you don't use all your processing power and truly never hit top thermal point fair enough and either way your not risking it per say.
I run mine at full load all day, with a stock cooler and default PBO settings it would run along nicely at 3.6-3.8 but adequately cooled it sits at 4Ghz all core 100% 24/7.

so it depends a lot on your use cases and what you want from it too, to me though getting a 12core chip is probably overkill if you don't also need to cool it more then stock in your use cases anyway, because that's a lot of chip and money to not make the most of it imho.
 

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A!MDs stock coolers are actually decent not like that cheap aluminum slug with a fan Intel uses for stock.

The only cooler that is decent is the Wraith Prism, the others are just cheap aluminum slugs like Intel. Well, technically the Wraith Spire that comes with the 2600X has a copper slug in the middle, but so do some Intel coolers...so meh...still not that great of a cooler, but adequate if you don't overclock(just like Intel's).

Though, me personally, if the CPU didn't come with the Wraith Prism, I'd spend the ~$25 on one of the decent inexpensive 120mm tower coolers.
 
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If you do not plan to add voltage to the CPU or overclock it, the stock solution will get you by.
No I'm not planning on overclocking it. I doubt I have enough headroom with my PSU and my graphics card is really what is providing the great performance in my system, both now and even after the upgrade.
 
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Less noise, improved performance from xfr and looking better are about all I can think of.
 
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So you already know that the 3600x comes with a stock cooler? How good is that? How hot does the 3600x run? As mentioned above several places - if you want the maximum out off your new AMD you need good cooling. If the new cooler is anything like the Wraith Spire then do you self a favor and buy a less noisy one. Better yet. Wait until somebody get a hand on this new CPU and test it. Then and only then you can have qualified answers from this forum.
 

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So I'm planning on upgrading to a 3600x when it comes out, but I want it to be a really budget update as possible, skipping over a lot of things like a new PSU as my current one doesn't even officially support 2 8 pin cards like the one I have in my PC right now but oh well. I've seen many people recently buying additional coolers for their PC's, either extra air coolers or AIO coolers, so will there be any point in me getting a non-stock cooler with my upgrade? Even with my current CPU I don't have any temp issues with an extremely basic cooling solution and that thing is infamous for running extremely hot.
I can think of one helluva ghetto-workaround for your cooling problem: If you have your stock Wraith from FX-8350, you can stick it onto sAM4. The only 2 issues are: AMD mounting brackets suck(especially on new boards), and it's loud. It might be a tight fit, but it's worth a try. I'm using an old-ass Arctic Alpine64 for testing pretty much anything AMD-related in my workshop.
 
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Less noise, improved performance from xfr and looking better are about all I can think of.
What's XFR? Also I don't really care about looks seeing how you can't even see inside my case.
I can think of one helluva ghetto-workaround for your cooling problem: If you have your stock Wraith from FX-8350, you can stick it onto sAM4. The only 2 issues are: AMD mounting brackets suck(especially on new boards), and it's loud. It might be a tight fit, but it's worth a try. I'm using an old-ass Arctic Alpine64 for testing pretty much anything AMD-related in my workshop.
No I don't have my old cooler, but aren't the fx coolers worse than the stock Ryzen ones anyway?
 
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It's like the boost amd use. The cooler the chip the higher the boost.

Auto overclocking in essence.
 
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It's like the boost amd use. The cooler the chip the higher the boost.

Auto overclocking in essence.
Well I don't really need to overclock though as at least I have a good GPU to really push my system in games, besides I doubt my PSU would even have enough headroom to make the CPU run any faster.
 
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how are we supposed to know how a cooler that isn't out yet will perform on a cpu that we have no information about ?
if it's bundled with a cpu then it means it'll keep it working.
stock amd coolers aren't bad and ryzens are cool in regular use,most of things you throw at them spread across all those cores and threads keeping the usage relatively low and the package cool.
 
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It will use much less than your current CPU dude, like nearly half as much.
 

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Pretty much what they said.

You get better cooling performance, which means turbo functions will work better. Also, CPU coolers generally last forever (at least air coolers). I bet I could still use my TT Big Typhoon if I bought a Ryzen system... nearly 15 years later. So, if you buy a good cooler now, you can use it again when you eventually upgrade from the parts you're looking at right now.
 
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I haven't had an AMD stock cooler I didn't like yet.
I liked my heatpiped Black editions, slugs for the cheapy cpu's and I like the spire series because they cool the vrm's in shitty cases.
 

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No I don't have my old cooler, but aren't the fx coolers worse than the stock Ryzen ones anyway?
Worse than Wraith max, but better than Spire or stealth. If AMD follows the suit, 3600x will get Spire (Aluminium brick with copper insert)
 
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Hard to say... I can tell you currently that pretty much any Ryzen will run fine at stock with the paired cooler. Not to their best, but absolutely as advertised and IME at reasonable noise levels. Even under heavier-than-gaming loads. Most people (I think) will say the same. Bear in mind that while yes, the lower end models get your basic urinal-cake style coolers, they really don't require much more. These are pretty low-TDP chips, especially under normal usage scenarios. For instance, my 2600 OC'd to 4ghz isn't pushing much more than 60W max on current titles... and it's averaging more in the 40's. With a Dark Rock 4 on top, a midrange, mid-tower cooler, it's a rare day when CPU temps pass 55C. That cooler is expensive. But I also have an inexpensive Sythe Mugen Max that cools just as well, if not better at times. And this is in an NZXT S340 Elite, a compact ATX with somewhat modest airflow. I'm betting Zen 2 will be even more efficient due to node shrink, so it's hard to imagine the stock coolers not keeping up for anyone not concerned with overclocking or very heavy, non-gaming usage. Though even if you're planning to really put the chip to work, at most you'll have more noise. Temperatures will likely be manageable.

Speculation based on what we've seen with Ryzen so far. Zen 2 is quite the overhaul, so anything goes. Grain of salt.


Okay, so, here's my real take on the stock coolers. They are great when you're starting off on a build and maybe your full budget hasn't manifested yet. But the value of having those coolers available from the jump is not THAT high. To put it into perspective, for around $40, there are a multitude of AM4 coolers out there which will offer you near-silent operation under all but the heaviest loads and a max overclock (or boost for the x models.) Not a lot of money for what you gain in return. Even a Hyper 212 would serve you better in most cases. Ryzen is pretty easy to cool. Good air coolers can be had cheap. It's just such a trivial upgrade, you know? And a good aftermarket cooler, much like a good PSU (wink) will persist across builds and part swaps.

I'm recalling a time when people used to be angry about stock coolers being included with certain CPU's simply because they were basically destined to be swapped out in order to tap into the full power of the chip, thus only adding to the cost unnecessarily.

That's me though. If something significantly better is just a little more money in the big pot, I think I'd be a fool not to grab it and risk being left wanting later. You want the X model. The stock cooler is probably okay, but the main selling point of the X models is their ability to boost higher automatically with better cooling. If you're not going to capitalize on it, you would lose very little going vanilla instead. A major upgrade is only as good as the platform it stands on. For a little more money it can shine much more.

Basically, if you're asking if the stock cooler will be suitable, the answer is probably going to be "yes." But whether or not you're truly getting your money's worth sticking only with that is debatable.
 
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Hard to say... I can tell you currently that pretty much any Ryzen will run fine at stock with the paired cooler. Not to their best, but absolutely as advertised and IME at reasonable noise levels. Even under heavier-than-gaming loads. Most people (I think) will say the same. Bear in mind that while yes, the lower end models get your basic urinal-cake style coolers, they really don't require much more. These are pretty low-TDP chips, especially under normal usage scenarios. For instance, my 2600 OC'd to 4ghz isn't pushing much more than 60W max on current titles... and it's averaging more in the 40's. With a Dark Rock Pro 4 on top, a midrange, mid-tower cooler, it's a rare day when CPU temps pass 55C. That cooler is expensive. But I also have an inexpensive Sythe Mugen Max that cools just as well, if not better at times. And this is in an NZXT S340 Elite, a compact ATX with somewhat modest airflow. I'm betting Zen 2 will be even more efficient due to node shrink, so it's hard to imagine the stock coolers not keeping up for anyone not concerned with overclocking or very heavy, non-gaming usage. Though even if you're planning to really put the chip to work, at most you'll have more noise. Temperatures will likely be manageable.

Speculation based on what we've seen with Ryzen so far. Zen 2 is quite the overhaul, so anything goes. Grain of salt.


Okay, so, here's my real take on the stock coolers. They are great when you're starting off on a build and maybe your full budget hasn't manifested yet. But the value of having those coolers available from the jump is not THAT high. To put it into perspective, for around $40, there are a multitude of AM4 coolers out there which will offer you near-silent operation under all but the heaviest loads and a max overclock (or boost for the x models.) Not a lot of money for what you gain in return. Even a Hyper 212 would serve you better in most cases. Ryzen is pretty easy to cool. It's just such a trivial upgrade, you know? And a good aftermarket cooler, much like a good PSU (wink) will persist across builds and part swaps.

I'm recalling a time when people used to be angry about stock coolers being included with certain CPU's simply because they were basically destined to be swapped out in order to tap into the full power of the chip, thus only adding to the cost unnecessarily.

That's me though. If something significantly better is just a little more money in the big pot, I think I'd be a fool not to grab it and risk being left wanting later. You want the X model. The stock cooler is probably okay, but the main selling point of the X models is their ability to boost higher automatically with better cooling. If you're not going to capitalize on it, you would lose very little going vanilla instead. A major upgrade is only as good as the platform it stands on. For a little more money it can shine much more.

Basically, if you're asking if the stock cooler will be suitable, the answer is probably going to be "yes." But whether or not you're truly getting your money's worth sticking only with that is debatable.
Seeing how much this upgrade is gonna cost me already I don't really care if I'm not fully getting my money's worth getting a cooler will mean several more weeks of waiting for the upgrade. Even with my current combo (an fx-8350 and a 1080 ti) I am reaching a stable FPS of 60 in all games I play apart from 1 (with v-sync), so if I can't really milk it for everything it's worth it's no big deal. My current setup has a very basic cooler and is not overclocked at all, so with a zen2 Ryzen there should be no issues whatsoever. Pretty much the only task I'm having issues with right now is recording, but that appears to be less about the fx's speed or anything like that, but rather that it's still using PCIe 2.0 and not 3.0. Plus having 2 case fans should be also providing enough airflow right?
 

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While is true, it should be noted that a quality heatsink will provide for better cooling and less noise over the long run.

Cannot argue that. I was stating it's fine due to the fact it will run as intended. Of course a better cooler can do more for the CPU boost, noise, and temps. Judging by the way the OP was trying to save so many parts, and asking if it would work, I assumed a tight budget. Without saying it, my point was it will work, and if the need arises it could be swapped when money was less of a concern (if needed).
 
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Cannot argue that. I was stating it's fine due to the fact it will run as intended. Of course a better cooler can do more for the CPU boost, noise, and temps. Judging by the way the OP was trying to save so many parts, and asking if it would work, I assumed a tight budget. Without saying it, my point was it will work, and if the need arises it could be swapped when money was less of a concern (if needed).
Does having lower temps on its own mean a lot though? Like does it affect much?
 

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Does having lower temps on its own mean a lot though? Like does it affect much?

I do not use AMD CPUs, but if the boost on it works like Nvidia GPUs, then quite possibly yes. The cooler you keep the chip, the faster the boost can run. I am sure those with more knowledge on the AMD side will either back this statement or tell me I am full of it ;)
 
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Well, technically the Wraith Spire that comes with the 2600X has a copper slug in the middle
That copper slug is actually a vapor chamber, the fan on top hides the filling end.
It's like the boost amd use. The cooler the chip the higher the boost.

Auto overclocking in essence.
XFR is the same as Intel's Turbo Boost but PBO is the one that overclocks above XFR. As long as the CPU temperatures and motherboard power consumption/temperatures are within the AMD default limits but PBO is adjustable in the mobo's firmware.
 
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