Anyone else getting a new Mac Pro?

[Rahnak]

Playing devils advocate here, Apple probably knows the prospect clients for the Mac Pro aren't a) going to go for the entry level models b) don't need stands for the monitors.

Also, comparable reference monitors are apparently really expensive.

 

[phanbuey]

Playing devils advocate here, Apple probably knows the prospect clients for the Mac Pro aren't a) going to go for the entry level models b) don't need stands for the monitors.

Also, comparable reference monitors are apparently really expensive.

The display itself makes sense, there is nothing out there like it (maybe the Dell 8k but not really).

 

[Rahnak]

The display itself makes sense, there is nothing out there like it (maybe the Dell 8k but not really).

Even though they compared their monitor to a 30 or 40k reference monitor during the event, I've read somewhere a better comparison would be to the Atomos Neon which is 8k for the 31 inch model.

 

[dirtyferret]

The display itself makes sense, there is nothing out there like it (maybe the Dell 8k but not really).

Considering Apple uses both LG & Samsung for ipod, macbook, imac, iphone, etc., displays I'm willing to bet one of those two (if not both) have one just like it.

 

[phanbuey]

Considering Apple uses both LG & Samsung for ipod, macbook, imac, iphone, etc., displays I'm willing to bet one of those two (if not both) have one just like it.

If they do it's not out/not being sold yet. I'm sure they will though.

 

[arbiter]

Playing devils advocate here, Apple probably knows the prospect clients for the Mac Pro aren't a) going to go for the entry level models b) don't need stands for the monitors.

Also, comparable reference monitors are apparently really expensive.

Still for a monitor that Costs 5 grand, IT SHOULD COME WITH A DAMN STAND! They even got the balls to charge 200$ for a VESA mount adapter which doesn't come with it.
A fool and his money are easily parted.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Considering Apple uses both LG & Samsung for ipod, macbook, imac, iphone, etc., displays I'm willing to bet one of those two (if not both) have one just like it.

If they do it's not out/not being sold yet. I'm sure they will though.

Maybe not. There may be a clause in the contract with Apple preventing them from putting out their own versions. It is a common practice for big brand companies to have exclusive rights to products and designs made by the OEMs.

 

[dirtyferret]

Maybe not. There may be a clause in the contract with Apple preventing them from putting out their own versions. It is a common practice for big brand companies to have exclusive rights to products and designs made by the OEMs.

I'm sure there is a clause for a specific time period but it's not as if LG and Samsung don't know how to build the same monitor or better. It would be like going to dodge and having them build me an exclusive Hemi engine and then marketing no one in the world has this kind of technology in their engine.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Knowing how to build something is totally different from being held to a contract prohibiting it.

It would be like going to dodge and having them build me an exclusive Hemi engine and then marketing no one in the world has this kind of technology in their engine.

Yeah, so? If they have a contract for exclusivity, then that's how it works. Surely LG or Samsung would not go into such an agreement if they didn't see the benefits. And no doubt, such a contract would require Apple purchase a significant quantity to make such an exclusive contract worth it.

This type OEM and brand name exclusivity agreement is not something new. Whirlpool and Panasonic, as examples, made washer and dryers and vacuum cleaners for Sears Kenmore for decades - models that nobody but Sears sold only under the Kenmore brand.

And with the mindset of many Apple buyers being "money is no object", I can see how LG or Samsung might think letting Apple be the only brand name is worth it.

I own several Samsung monitors and I have a rather expensive OLED LG TV. But no way would I spend that kind of money on an LG or Samsung branded TV or monitor. But you can be certain some Apple buyers will. And some will even buy that stand!

 

[ypsylon]

I will freely admit that I was waiting for MacPro big time. I'm not Mac guy by any stretch. PC Masterrace forever. I knew it that it will be expensive, but hoped at least entry model won't be retarded while still more worthwhile investment than hopeless MacMini or glued iMacPro. And maybe I was fooling myself a bit that at least with MP Apple will finally come to their senses with nVidia drivers.

What they released is outright extortion from purely performance/price ratio. When I've seen 6k USD I was WTF?! Radeon 580 for 6k USD... Full specced MP will be at least 120k, with Apple prices, just watch it.

For me Mac without nVidia rendering suport is just dumb in the extreme. I cannot even consider it (probably if Apple was supporting nVidia, base model would be equipped with GTX580 or something like that).

What I really, really, REALLY was waiting for - brand new monitor. I knew it that my dream is over the moment they started comparing to that Sony referencing model. Fully expected the Apple rep to say: This Sony is 43k USD IIRC, but we'll sell our monitor for just 38k. Yeah... 5000 USD for a LCD. OK, if it came with that bloody stand and VESA mount in the box and offered more than just 4 TB3 ports: 2xDP, 4xUSB3 A something along these lines. Then... even if I had to bankrupt myself I would most probably got lured to buy it. Apple made screens are since forever absolutely gorgeous quality.

But as things stands (or rather no stand!), no f way. For 5k I can buy 2 Asus pro arts 32" 4K with vastly superior connectivity which are marvelous for work and still have spare cash or that Dell 8K... and still have tons of cash to spare. One thing I would love to see tho is an option to buy any LCD without a stand. I'm using VESA mounts for close to 20 years and I couldn't care less about rubbish stands included in 95% of models (especially gaming RGB tat fudge). On that front I approve Apple selling stand separately (of course not the moronic price). Option to buy monitor without stand is sensible if user so desires. It cuts on pollution and waste. What's the point of included stand if user throw it away 3 seconds after unpacking?

 

[bonehead123]

Apple made screens are since forever absolutely gorgeous quality

Just an FYI, but at least 90% (or more) of "Apples" screens were/are made by other mfgr's, but with their plastic wrapped around them and a pretty logo slapped on for good measure.... and I agree, they are excellent in almost every aspect other than price, of course...

I remember the 21" Blue & Frosted White Cinema Display (CRT type) I had back in the late 80's-early 90's... Yep it was damned expensive ($500 IIRC) which was actaully a Sony Trinitron in disguise, but it was just about the best consumer/prosumer moniter available at that time, short of the real professional units that sold for well over $1k....

However, I do agree that Apple has went completely bezerk with their pricing. Unless I ran a profession production studio, there aint no way in hell I would even remotely consider paying 5k for ANY monitor, and sure as hell not anutha 1k for the friggin stand, even if it all was made of titanium-reinforced 24K gold and studded with 10,000 sacred time crystals from the temple on Borath...

 

[dirtyferret]

Knowing how to build something is totally different from being held to a contract prohibiting it.

Yeah, so? If they have a contract for exclusivity, then that's how it works. Surely LG or Samsung would not go into such an agreement if they didn't see the benefits. And no doubt, such a contract would require Apple purchase a significant quantity to make such an exclusive contract worth it.

This type OEM and brand name exclusivity agreement is not something new. Whirlpool and Panasonic, as examples, made washer and dryers and vacuum cleaners for Sears Kenmore for decades - models that nobody but Sears sold only under the Kenmore brand.

And with the mindset of many Apple buyers being "money is no object", I can see how LG or Samsung might think letting Apple be the only brand name is worth it.

I own several Samsung monitors and I have a rather expensive OLED LG TV. But no way would I spend that kind of money on an LG or Samsung branded TV or monitor. But you can be certain some Apple buyers will. And some will even buy that stand!

I think it would be obvious that any business agreement between the parties would benefit both parties but thanks for reassuring us with your post.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I think it would be obvious that any business agreement between the parties would benefit both parties but thanks for reassuring us with your post.

Hardly the main point of my comment. The was clearly that it could very well be the OEM is prohibited by that contract from releasing the same model under their own brand just so Apple could have exclusive rights to it.

 

[dirtyferret]

Hardly the main point of my comment. The was clearly that it could very well be the OEM is prohibited by that contract from releasing the same model under their own brand just so Apple could have exclusive rights to it.

I'm sure they have a non-compete with certain marketing terms and tech for a period of time. Once again common sense, I've worked for fortune 500 companies in broadcasting and manufacturing. I know the difference between brands and the company that actually builds the products or produces the shows to air. It's pretty much common knowledge you are posting but you seem to be fixated on having the last word like it's some kind of ego thing...

 

[Bill_Bright]

but you seem to be fixated on having the last word like it's some kind of ego thing...

LOL Okay.

 

[TheLostSwede]

And now we know the list price of the CPUs

Intel Cascade Lake Xeon W-3200 Launched: Server Socket, 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes

www.anandtech.com

 

[Vlada011]

Apple is amazing.
I could imagine how rich people enjoy in these products. 32" 6K monitor, 28 core CPU, Radeon Vega II Pro Dual GPU. Insane.
Case is amazing as well, aluminum.

Today people could find nice aluminum case from previous Mac Pro (2008 or 2010), to modified little and install PC hardware.
There is a even parts custom made to help transition.

 

[notb]

Apple is amazing.
I could imagine how rich people enjoy in these products. 32" 6K monitor, 28 core CPU, Radeon Vega II Pro Dual GPU. Insane.
Case is amazing as well, aluminum.

You do understand that very similar machines (and better as well) can be bought from many other OEMs?
It's just that these machines are aimed at the enterprise client, so they're not really marketed to general public.
Apple wants you to think how awesome the workstations are, so that you buy a MacBook Air or an iPad.

It's a fairly normal strategy. AMD builds marketing around TR/Epyc to sell more Ryzen 3600. VW sends a car to Dakar to sell more SUVs.

Today people could find nice aluminum case from previous Mac Pro (2008 or 2010), to modified little and install PC hardware.
There is a even parts custom made to help transition.

But what's the point?
The great advantage of Apple Mac case - like any other OEM case - is that it's custom made for the parts. So there's a motherboard that fits perfectly and there's custom cooling (better than the generic stuff we get for ATX).
If you take an OEM case, rip most interiors and adapt the screws to fit ATX... you just end up with a good looking case. And there's an abundance of those anyway.

 

[Vlada011]

I don't care what could be bought from other OEMs. I don't want to think of Huawei specifications when I feel better with iPhone and after 3 years he work better and all applications work better on him. I want to say that PC is better for entertainment but for working strictly in office I would forbid to employers in mine company PC.

In my vision of future and IT this is computer...

NOT THIS.... This is Asian circus.

And it's totally strange that among 10.000 computers builds sponsored by ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI, and other companies no one even tried to build some RIG to look similar as Apple Mac Pro to build own chassis with aluminum panels. etc...
That's weird how they continue to sponsor RIGs when all of them are same.
Because you need to have inspiration and idea for that and that's not everyone capable to do. That's because I like Apple.
And if my company profit 30.000$ monthly after i pay all taxes I would not care to spent all 30.000 for Apple Mac Pro 2019 with 6K display 4K Intel Xeon 28 cores and Radeon Pro Vega II Duo, 1.5 TB Memory because he would work up to 2025 without problems and impact on performance for everything my company need.
In mean time for 6 years profit would reach 2.000.000$. 30.000$ on stable computer without Windows Updates when folders and data gone, without new stuff with 3% improvement every 3 months and similar things as in PC world is not much. I need to clean dust 6 years only, then again 35.000$.
Honestly I would laugh in face to person who try to build me for 5000$ this Asian Circus with same specifications as Mac Pro.
35.000 is top specifications, there is a lot of companies who profit up to 50.000$ monthly with 20-30$ employers... Director no problem to have Mac Pro 2019 in office with best specifications and not care if PC cost 10.000. Because you need to pay 28 core xeon, 4K-6K monitor, 1.5TB memory no matter on OS.

 

[notb]

In my vision of future and IT this is computer...

So first of all: the Apple case is seen as attractive, because it's Apple.
The latest Mac Pro is the best proof, as it really doesn't resemble anything that we already have (aside from a food grater).
There is no way you could have developed an esthetic preference that would make you like such shapes.
Humans learn what they like to see just like they learn what they like to eat or listen to.

There's nothing shocking in that. Apple is driving trends, not following them. Someone has to.
Lets say you're a fan of Metallica's early heavy metal stuff (80s) and suddenly in mid-90s they go for a softer, more melodious style. You've never listened to this kind of music, but hey... it's Metallica. They've changed your preferences.

NOT THIS.... This is Asian circus.

The blinky, LED-rich, transparent cases are popular in gaming subculture - a mindset you may not share.
It's not that hard to find an elegant, aluminium ATX case (Lian Li being the obvious choice).
Most OEM workstations (the actual competition for Mac Pro) are also fairly minimalistic and elegant.

 

[Rahnak]

Yeah, it's not like RGB is mandatory. And it's certainly not present in the enterprise market, it's for personal/gaming rigs. So your post, @Vlada011, is a little strange, to say the least.

My PC doesn't have a single RGB led, nor does it have a side window even.

 

[Valantar]

I don't care what could be bought from other OEMs. I don't want to think of Huawei specifications when I feel better with iPhone and after 3 years he work better and all applications work better on him. I want to say that PC is better for entertainment but for working strictly in office I would forbid to employers in mine company PC.

In my vision of future and IT this is computer...


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NOT THIS.... This is Asian circus.

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And it's totally strange that among 10.000 computers builds sponsored by ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI, and other companies no one even tried to build some RIG to look similar as Apple Mac Pro to build own chassis with aluminum panels. etc...
That's weird how they continue to sponsor RIGs when all of them are same.
Because you need to have inspiration and idea for that and that's not everyone capable to do. That's because I like Apple.
And if my company profit 30.000$ monthly after i pay all taxes I would not care to spent all 30.000 for Apple Mac Pro 2019 with 6K display 4K Intel Xeon 28 cores and Radeon Pro Vega II Duo, 1.5 TB Memory because he would work up to 2025 without problems and impact on performance for everything my company need.
In mean time for 6 years profit would reach 2.000.000$. 30.000$ on stable computer without Windows Updates when folders and data gone, without new stuff with 3% improvement every 3 months and similar things as in PC world is not much. I need to clean dust 6 years only, then again 35.000$.
Honestly I would laugh in face to person who try to build me for 5000$ this Asian Circus with same specifications as Mac Pro.
35.000 is top specifications, there is a lot of companies who profit up to 50.000$ monthly with 20-30$ employers... Director no problem to have Mac Pro 2019 in office with best specifications and not care if PC cost 10.000. Because you need to pay 28 core xeon, 4K-6K monitor, 1.5TB memory no matter on OS.

Wow, that is a load of nonsense. There are plenty of high quality business and productivity oriented PC workstations out there. Ever look at Lenovo or Dell's workstation lineups? You won't find any RGB there at least. Stop conflating DIY gamer culture with professional culture, as they bear little relation to each other.
Like this:

Or this:

And sure, Apple's design is cleaner and would look more at home in a million-dollar apartment than these, but so what? Personally, I would prefer the understated design of any of these two to the overly ostentatious Apple design. It's mostly gaudy and tacky, which is a big departure from Apple's normal minimalist designs.

Secondly, your reasoning for why only Apple has a design like this is ... off. The reason is rather simple: they have the resources to do so. Of course they also have the willingness to do so, which does count for something, but the main factor is still that they're an extremely cash-rich company that can afford to spend millions on R&D of a case, and given their one-of-a-kind market position can guarantee the sales to justify the cost. Sure, Lenovo and Dell likely sell more workstations than Apple, but at a much lower ASP. I also don't quite get why your example comparisons are DIY builds sponsored by Asus, Gigabyte or MSI - again, how does this relate to workstations? Do you expect DIY case modders to have access to industrial CNC equipment to cut their cases out of giant aluminium blocks? Yeah, that's not very likely. That kind of stuff requires industrial production. Apple does deserve some credit for some of the innovative features of this case (such as the locking mechanism of the outer shell), but other than that this barely differs from any other run-of-the-mill PC workstation. Custom motherboard? You'll find that anywhere. Simple front-to-back airflow? Same. Mostly passive per-component cooling? Yep. High core counts, lots of PCIe, and tons of storage? Absolutely. Tool-less serviceability? Most other OEMs have Apple beat there. The only real difference is that PC workstations don't really get media attention. For understandable reasons, as most people don't (and shouldn't!) care about $30 000 workstations, even as aspirational products.

 

[Bill_Bright]

And it's totally strange that among 10.000 computers builds sponsored by ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI, and other companies no one even tried to build some RIG to look similar as Apple Mac Pro

That's weird how they continue to sponsor RIGs when all of them are same.

Huh? So you criticize PC builders for making their PCs look similar then in the very same sentence criticize them for not making them look like a Mac???

You do know what the ATX Form Factor standard is, right? And why that standard is, by far, the best thing that ever happened to the PC industry and in particular, to the self-build PC industry? And how Apple failing to comply with the ATX Form Factor standard is exactly why "proprietary" is a bad word as it always means higher costs and fewer options for us consumers?

For the record, I am NOT a fan of RGB cases at all. Fancy lighting does nothing for performance, adds some heat, consumes some power and does nothing for performance (worth repeating). I want and expect my cases to sit quietly and discreetly off to the side and NOT draw attention to themselves or to cause distractions for me. After all, its what's happening on my monitors that's important. But that's me.