Anyone here delid an i7-4790K?

Spaceman Spiff · Mar 22, 2016

Well i found the vice easier for me. *shrug*

peche · Mar 22, 2016

also there is a delid device...

Regards,

Sasqui · Mar 22, 2016

peche said:
also there is a delid device...

Regards,

Intel needs a de-lid factory, that's a start, lol

peche · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
Intel needs a de-lid factory, that's a start, lol

intel should sell a processor without the crappy paste... soldered like older generations...
or sell processor without being glued...

Folterknecht · Mar 22, 2016

or print one yourself

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/skylake-delid-tool

manofthem · Mar 22, 2016

Spaceman Spiff said:
I also tried just the vice method. Place the cpu with one end of the pcb against the back of the vice and the front grabbing the IHS on the opposite side. Then just slowly tighten and loosen the vice until the glue breaks free. No impact to the pcb!

This is the method I want to try next time I delid; it seems very easy.

I used a hammer and block when I delid my 4770k, and I can really complain about it, pretty easy. Once I got over the initial fear of wracking your cpu, it took just a few hits

trog100 · Mar 22, 2016

Sasqui said:
I would *never* use the vice and hammer method. Razor, a steady hand and a little patience, that's how i did it before.

I'm going to mess a little more with the multi and voltages, then pop the lid and test her out. Hopefully by the end of the week.

i just carefully worked around mine with an old fashioned thin razor blade.. start at a corner and move around the lid.. .. it took a few minutes of rocking the blade backwards and forwards and the lid popped of.. i used the same blade to remove the glue.. a thin blade being the secret i think..

you just have to be careful and not go in too far with the blade.. start at each corner and keep working a little deeper on each side till the lid pops off..

i just chose the blade method.. i wont debate which method is best.. he he..

trog

peche · Mar 22, 2016

Folterknecht said:
or print one yourself

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/skylake-delid-tool

seems legit...

manofthem said:
This is the method I want to try next time I delid; it seems very easy.

I used a hammer and block when I delid my 4770k, and I can really complain about it, pretty easy. Once I got over the initial fear of wracking your cpu, it took just a few hits

thats something i'll never done...

trog100 · Mar 22, 2016

peche said:
intel should sell a processor without the crappy paste... soldered like older generations...
or sell processor without being glued...

i see some sounds reasons for doing it the way they do.. plus there would be no fun if intel did it for you..

trog

frozen_one · Mar 26, 2016

peche said:
also there is a delid device...

That looks like the same one here: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2016/03/17/rockit-88-kickstarter/1
Seems its crowdfunded already, so I won't have to stick my 6600k in a vise

peche · Mar 27, 2016

printed tools on videos seems to be another way arround for delid!
i would like to try one out!

Regards,

Sasqui · Mar 30, 2016

Ok, now I'm convinced I need to de-lid. It's been running BOINC fine, tops out at 81c clocked at 4.6Ghz. However, running Prime95 quickly got it up to throttle at 100c, within less than a minute. I let it run for about 20 minutes and it was perfectly stable (considering it was throttling back to 4.3Ghz, that's not surprising.)

Wasn't there some issue with Prime95 and the 4th gen processors?

Edit: read this on THG:

Do NOT use any Prime95 versions later than 26.6. Here's why:

Core i 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation CPU's have AVX (Advanced Vector Extension) instruction sets. Recent versions of Prime95 run AVX code on the Floating Point Unit (FPU) math coprocessor, which produces unrealistically high temperatures. The FPU test in the software utility AIDA64 shows the same results.

Prime95 v26.6 produces temperatures on 3rd and 4th Generation processors more consistent with 2nd Generation, which also have AVX instructions, but do not suffer from thermal extremes due to having a soldered Integrated Heat Spreader and a 35% larger Die.

GelatanousMuck · Apr 16, 2016

Sasqui said:
Good choice of keywords, first hit is a goldmine

http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=94365.

10c drop delidded. Stable at 4.9 with med-high voltages. That's huge.

After I finish a few other other projects, I'll be playing

Regarding the posted link:

If I was going to delid my CPU and toss it's warranty out of the window, I would not put the heat spreader back on it!

I would absolutely bare die mount my water block to it and use Cool Laboratory Liquid Metal Pro.

Why would anyone delid a CPU and not flat out go for it!

peche · Apr 16, 2016

GelatanousMuck said:
If I was going to delid my CPU and toss it's warranty out of the window, I would not put the heat spreader back on it!

I would absolutely bare die mount my water block to it and use Cool Laboratory Liquid Metal Pro.

Are you on drugs, aren't you?
dont recommend people to screw the system just for a few degrees that wont be that far from using the normal IHS...difference wont be extremely different...its more complicated, worthless

Regards,

GelatanousMuck · Apr 16, 2016

peche said:
Are you on drugs, aren't you?
dont recommend people to screw the system just for a few degrees that wont be that far from using the normal IHS...difference wont be extremely different...its more complicated, worthless

Regards,

No I do not do drugs!

My point is in the early days CPUs didn't have a heat spreader anyway!

If you need an example, AMD Thunderbird, Intel Pentium III, etc., etc., etc.!

If you are already throwing the warranty away anyway, what difference does it make!

Anyone exercising system caution is not going to delid their CPU in the first place!

GelatanousMuck · Apr 16, 2016

I don't think that EK thinks it is a detrimental thing to do, bare die mounting on the CPU die, since they have actually marketed EK Precision Mount kits, for the EK Supremacy Water Block for bare die mounting on specific CPUs.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/acce...-supremacy-precisemount-add-on-naked-ivy.html

The kit I'll be using when I delid my 3770K and see just how far it can actually be pushed, as for now it is overclocked to 5ghz without delidding it.

Sasqui · Apr 16, 2016

GelatanousMuck said:
Regarding the posted link:

If I was going to delid my CPU and toss it's warranty out of the window, I would not put the heat spreader back on it!

I would absolutely bare die mount my water block to it and use Cool Laboratory Liquid Metal Pro.

Why would anyone delid a CPU and not flat out go for it!

Rather counterintuive results I got from new TIM on IHS vs naked (see specs for my 3570k). Only dropped about 2c. The other consideration is the top of the bare die isn't much higher than the top of the socket clip... Plus the IHS provides a shim for those that very same clip. Effectively, my chip is held in place by the WC block! Next time I take it out, the IHS is going back on.

GelatanousMuck · Apr 16, 2016

Sasqui said:
Rather counterintuive results I got from new TIM on IHS vs naked (see specs for my 3570k). Only dropped about 2c. The other consideration is the top of the bare die isn't much higher than the top of the socket clip... Plus the IHS provides a shim for those that very same clip. Effectively, my chip is held in place by the WC block! Next time I take it out, the IHS is going back on.

What TIM did you use?

What socket clip are you referring to?

peche · Apr 16, 2016

GelatanousMuck said:
No I do not do drugs!

My point is in the early days CPUs didn't have a heat spreader anyway!

If you need an example, AMD Thunderbird, Intel Pentium III, etc., etc., etc.!

If you are already throwing the warranty away anyway, what difference does it make!

Anyone exercising system caution is not going to delid their CPU in the first place!

running it naked is not as easy as it sounds fella

GelatanousMuck said:
I don't think that EK thinks it is a detrimental thing to do, bare die mounting on the CPU die, since they have actually marketed EK Precision Mount kits, for the EK Supremacy Water Block for bare die mounting on specific CPUs.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/acce...-supremacy-precisemount-add-on-naked-ivy.html

The kit I'll be using when I delid my 3770K and see just how far it can actually be pushed, as for now it is overclocked to 5ghz without delidding it.

not delidded 5ghz?
volts or settings? thats int

GelatanousMuck · Apr 16, 2016

peche said:
running it naked is not as easy as it sounds fella

not delidded 5ghz?
volts or settings? thats int

Do you have a problem with me or something, peche?

I never said it was easy, I said if someone was going to delid their CPU, why not go for all they could possibly get from it after the delidding had already cost them their CPU warranty!

Are you questioning my 5ghz 3770K overclock?

Ran the CPU-Z Validation just for you, check the date, note hyper threading is enabled and voltages are clearly shown.

The screenshot below the validation is with hyper threading disabled and voltage is shown as well.

peche · Apr 16, 2016

GelatanousMuck said:
Are you questioning my 5ghz 3770K overclock?

im not, i would like to know more if possible, im trying to reach 4.8ghz at leats on an delidded 4770K which is almost the same processor but is not possible, so i would like to ask ..

GelatanousMuck said:
Do you have a problem with me or something, peche?

I never said it was easy, I said if someone was going to delid their CPU, why not go for all they could possibly get from it after the delidding had already cost them their CPU warranty!

im just telling that is not easy and also most people wont do it nor like it ... no problems so far dude, its a forum dont get posts personal...

GelatanousMuck said:
Ran the CPU-Z Validation just for you, check the date, note hyper threading is enabled and voltages are clearly shown.

The screenshot below the validation is with hyper threading disabled and voltage is shown as well.

gotta make some changes on that 4770k ... for getting better clocks...

Schmuckley · Apr 16, 2016

I tell you what:
Haswell-on chips are very fragile.
If you delid and void your warranty:You are screwed.
I just had another one die..and I refuse to buy anymore of them..ever!
I didn't delid it..so I will RMA and sell it off.
Daily clocks..dies..garbage.
Come on AMD! :mad:

trog100 · Apr 17, 2016

i clock for reliable everyday usage.. spending a fortune on super cooling just to gain a real world totally unnoticeable couple of hundred hrz makes not the slightest sense to me..

this chart should explain why these higher end chips come clocked at the speed they come clocked at.. cheaper ones come underclcocked just to fit a price structure.. the higher end ones come clocked for real..

they all have a sweet spot.. my 4790K is around 4.5.. going beyond that ramps up the heat big style.. the chart should show why..

it also explains why laptop chips come with much lower clocks.. he he

trog

jaggerwild · Apr 17, 2016

http://hwbot.org/submission/2582469_philly_cheese_steak_cpu_frequency_core_i7_3770k_5018.52_mhz

No delid, RMA keeps me in chips! Usually its the board limiting the chip, or so I seem to think................

GelatanousMuck · Apr 17, 2016

peche said:
im not, i would like to know more if possible, im trying to reach 4.8ghz at leats on an delidded 4770K which is almost the same processor but is not possible, so i would like to ask ..

im just telling that is not easy and also most people wont do it nor like it ... no problems so far dude, its a forum dont get posts personal...

gotta make some changes on that 4770k ... for getting better clocks...

The reason I can run a 5ghz overclock on a CPU running TIM under the heat spreader is the cooling, I am running below ambient chilled water cooling.
My coolant temperature is peltier cold side generated, running on a preset temperature relay to keep my coolant temperature in the 10c target zone, which in a 23c ambient room temperature is 13c below ambient.
I am running below ambient but still above any condensation developing temperature, so that is not a problem.
And that sir is why I can run a 5ghz rock solid stable overclock.

There is a link to my cooling in my sig, if you are curious.

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Anyone here delid an i7-4790K?

Spaceman Spiff

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

Sasqui

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

Folterknecht

manofthem

WCG-TPU Team All-Star!

trog100

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

trog100

frozen_one

New Member

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

Sasqui

GelatanousMuck

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

GelatanousMuck

GelatanousMuck

Sasqui

GelatanousMuck

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

GelatanousMuck

peche

Thermaltake fanboy

Schmuckley

trog100

jaggerwild

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