Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon

[Buftor]

What makes me sad is that they didn't consider going to AMD.

I am sure Apple considered using Ryzen. They are pretty smart people. Ryzen might give the Mac faster performance, compared to Intel CPU. But Ryzen would not solve the basic problem that MacOS has: very few apps, very few developers. By going the ARM way, the billions of apps that already run on iPhone and iPad can be made to run on the Mac very easily.

 

[trparky]

But Ryzen would not solve the basic problem that MacOS has: very few apps, very few developers.

I don't think that at all. You can get a lot of programs on the Mac. Games? Not so much. Microsoft, of all companies, really made development for the Mac easier than ever before with Microsoft Xamarin and Microsoft Visual Studio. You can make your program for both Windows and Mac and use nearly the exact same code.

Hell, with Microsoft Xamarin and Microsoft Visual Studio you can make both Android and iOS apps using Microsoft C# all the while using nearly the same code. A perfect example of this is BitWarden, an open source password manager that's written in Microsoft C# and runs on both Android and iOS and shares a majority of the same code.

 

[claes]

Yeah as a Mac user I’ve never had trouble finding “an app for that.” There are usually a number of Mac native options, windows ports, and of course the thousands of apps available for Linux. I usually have an easier time finding something I like then I do on my Windows machine, but that’s probably more to do with knowing where to look.

 

[voltage]

Just when Intel is finally about to release their most advanced procs ever. I know there has been a Intel hate bandwagon going on, this time I'm not jumping on. I think this is stupid move on apples part, for many reasons. On the flip side, arm blah blah blah... I'm sure arm based procs will be great.

 

[voltage]

Bad idea on apples part... I mean its only one more year away from when Intel starts shipping the best cpu's they have ever produced, that has the most amount of advancements they have ever implemented at one time. That said, I get that Intel was unhappy with 7, 8 and 9th gen parts, shit happens. That crappy previous CEO at Intel at the time was too busy getting his noodle wet, instead of pushing development guidance. During his lousy time at Intel, amd finally moved forward because of the massive cash infusion they got from the Saudi family. Now, apple bails, I get it, but I still think they should have kept Intel at least until the 7nm parts are available.

 

[trparky]

I mean its only one more year away from when Intel starts shipping the best cpu's they have ever produced

No offence dude but that sounds a bit too fanboyish for me. Knowing Intel's history and MO for the last six years, I'm going to believe it when I see it. So far Intel has only been able to release chips that run hot as f**k so yeah... I'll believe it when I see it.

I'd put more money on AMD than Intel right about now.

 

[ValenOne]

Says the user who has only made his argument with conjecture

Historically stackoverflow’s numbers have been higher with Apple, but have dipped in recent years. I think it was the keyboard problems, but what do I know, I’m just a lowly developer :shrug:

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2019

Nearly 90,000 took this comprehensive, annual survey of people who code. Demographics. Most loved, dreaded and wanted technologies. Salary and careers.

insights.stackoverflow.com

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2019

Nearly 90,000 took this comprehensive, annual survey of people who code. Demographics. Most loved, dreaded and wanted technologies. Salary and careers.

insights.stackoverflow.com

The state of Developer Ecosystem in 2019 Infographic

Almost 7,000 developers share their insights on modern technologies, programming languages, frameworks, and tools of choice for software development.

www.jetbrains.com

https://recruit-c7ff.kxcdn.com/recruit/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/he-developer-survey-2020.pdf

Wish the statista data had a source
Edit: it did and it was jetbrains so it’s gone now

The combined non-MacOS yields 73.1%. LOL. MacOS is a minority! The developer computer hardware market is tiny. My argument position didn't change!

 

[DrCR]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder how much of that Windows percentage is purely DX12.

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[ValenOne]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder how much of that Windows percentage is purely DX12.

It wouldn't matter since XSX (DX12 Ultimate) and PS5 (BVH raytracing hardware capable) will set gaming PC system minimums.

My second PC's RTX 2080 targets XSX GPU level.

 

[claes]

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The combined non-MacOS yields 73.1%. LOL. MacOS is a minority! The developer computer hardware market is tiny. My argument position didn't change!

Yeah, a quarter to a third of the market is “tiny,” especially when you put that into the context of Mac use in general, whatever you say... The vast majority of developers don’t code games or care at all about DirectX.

More, stackoverflow may be the best source I can find, but it’s not exactly a place where professionals go. GitHub or similar would be an ideal data source, but as far as I’m aware none of the major code management outlets release data.

 

[trt740]

This might not be great for the PC community but if you just want something that works and is super secure then Mac is the way to go. I have several Macs and PCs. If you have not owned a Mac then it is easy to beat down on their ecosystem. However, they very rarely get hacked or get viruses and there stuff is reliable as heck. Because their OS is so streamlined and for the most part are not for gaming, they can use their own chips, and I doubt you will see any difference except battery life will go even higher on their laptops ( which is already crazy), and heat and energy use will diminish. I for one am a PC and a Mac fan. Every tool is different . For day to day use this will be a great help to many college students and business professionals.

 

[phanbuey]

This might not be great for the PC community but if you just want something that works and is super secure then Mac is the way to go. I have several Macs and PCs. If you have not owned a Mac then it is easy to beat down on their ecosystem. However, they very rarely get hacked or get viruses and there stuff is reliable as heck. Because their OS is so streamlined and for the most part are not for gaming, they can use their own chips, and I doubt you will see any difference except battery life will go even higher on their laptops ( which is already crazy), and heat and energy use will diminish. I for one am a PC and a Mac fan. Every tool is different . For day to day use this will be a great help to many college students and business professionals.

I agree - especially if they do something with MS where they can run ARM windows (like on the surface go) on the mac with native translated windows apps this would be amazing. Mac hardware + MS and Mac software is the dream.