Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Jun 11, 2012.
You post was so blatantly wrong, refuting your claims is trivial.
Because owning a brilliantly engineered device, means you need to be trying to find better ways to waste money on inefficiency, and half baked feature creep? You must work for a large US corporation as management. Don't you have a meeting about having meetings to go to?
OS X has exponentially more baseline features and capabilities every major update than any version of windows has ever had. Not only do they implement by default an overwhelming majority of open standards like SSH, VNC, SAMBA, but Apple also openly releases the code to these, AND contributes.
Because even the great microsoft, that injects endless streams of steroids into legacy interfaces even has a simple, and significantly faster solution to optical media. Apple also targetted this specific machine as giving up legacy interfaces, on top of the fact that a cdrom will not physically fit in the chassis, because it is simply too thin @ .71 inches, which is also why it does not include Ethernet.
Theres always a premium for miniaturization of technology. Apple is the bleeding edge. I'm sorry Dell hasn't figured out how to make an Ultrabook for you to buy yet.
That £450 won't be .71 inches thick, with 7+ hours of battery life(Or offer dual thunderbolt). You'll be lucky to see 4, and you won't have a 1080 screen, let alone 2880x1800. This argument is pretty much heresy without a link, anyways.
...because Microsoft gets sued when they add features to Windows (EU called it "bundling").
And this is why Apple is full of fail. Fancy screen and what are you going to do with it? Look at low resolution internet pictures? What about music? Oh right, handcuff yourself to iTunes and an internet connection. What you're describing is a lack of features, not features. This is no different than Mac OS X's incapability to run on off-the-shelf x86 systems without substantial hacking. Virtually all computers out there today rely on USB (except Macs) for interfacing with cameras, mice, keyboards, flash sticks, etc. Optical drives are also common place for music, movies, installing software, transferring files, etc. Apple may be ignorant of their customers' needs but they are the exception, not the norm.
I have yet to find a sane person that has a problem with a laptop 1" thick. Considering all the flexibility you lose for that .29", most choose thick. Need I remind you Mac marketshare is still ~6%. If you want to fail, you copy Mac.
When you are carrying tens of kgs worth of books to and from university everyday you would appreciate the smaller form factor. If you don't like Apple, then its not for you. Just like Rolls Royce etc.
Tell that to Android users, Ultrabook users, smartphone users, and tablet users. Apple was the pioneer is shaping today's portable electronics industry; other companies are just playing follow the leader.
Do I own any Apple products? No.
Do I agree with their business practices? No.
Do I appreciate everything they've done for the computing industry? Yes.
The weight is about the same. 4.46 lbs for MacBook Pro 15" and 5.22 lbs for first random 15" computer I Googled that just happened to be an HP. You're talking minimal differences on both metrics.
Aluminum Unibody vs. plastic.
Do you HAVE to be such a fanboy.. really?
Do you really not have any other argument besides crying fanboyism? How about something constructive with citations?
Possibly, but I ran out of ways to explain why Macs are so popular in my uni, library trips suggests 30% of the laptops are Macs of some sort.
What has Apple done to earn your unconditional hatred for them?
While I personally will not really buy Apple stuffs (besides MBA and iPod), I believe they shaped the last decade more than possibly any other tech companies through their sheer marketing power and innovation.
Pioneer, no. What they did was throw Apple fanaticism into markets they weren't already beat in. Don't remember the PalmPilot, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile, and all the other portable devices that pre-dated the iPhone? Ultrabook is an Intel technology which happened as a response to tablet computers (tabletizing the dimensions of the laptop). Tablets also existed long before (e.g. Microsoft Tablet PC in 2000) Apple introduced the iPad. All Apple did in the last decade and a half is take an existing product they didn't make, remake it with a few Apple finishing touches, and market it as being "hip." Apple has a brilliant marketing team and little else.
It's not aluminum, it's magnesium alloy, the same shit the PC industry has been using for at least a decade in rugged and semi-rugged computers. Why does Dell, HP, Acer, etc. not use magnesium alloy in their laptops? Because very few laptops are sold for more than $1500 which is the minimum a respectable computer shrouded in magnesium alloy costs (and that's still for integrated everything).
I don't know how but Apple managed to build a cult following. As I said in the reply to Kantastic, it probably has to do with Apple marketing their products as being "hip." I'd rather think that the younger generations are just too daft to see through advertising (an epidemic in the making).
Imperial College is not known to be hip. You find departments running solely on Linux, and things like that. And yet you still get a sizeable number of Apple users, from students to professors.
Apple markets to individuals, not businesses/campuses/etc. They individually joined the cult, not the campus at large (cost prohibitive). You know IT people hate dealling with Apples on their networks so all the backbone and institutional computers are not Apple. As you said, they're Linux likely to avoid Windows licencsing costs. Around here, they all run Systemax, Gateway (now Acer), or Dell running Windows. The Apple computers are relegated to specific departments like keyboarding and art/graphics.
The main point is the screen isn't worth the premium! Nor any other of the crap "features"
Err, as others have said, why would I want a load of crap like itunes forced upon me? I'll choose what I want thank you. Also when I can install it on any computer THEN we'll talk about openness. Also their latest mountain lion's new "feature" which you pay for is a calendar, wow I can get free calanders.
Just because Apple are to stupid not to make it a little thicker so it can fit useful ports like ethernet doesn't make it an excuse. Them wanting to give up ethernet doesn't mean everyone else does, lol wireless is hardly a replacement.
Lol, Apple is hardly bleeding edge with a gpu like that try playing a game on that screen (if osx supports it! So no) 1fps bleeding edge for you.
Acer Aspire 5560G Laptop - Laptops | Ebuyer.com link to a great deal. Must mean the screen costs £1500!
I'm an android user my better than iphone galaxy s2 costs me £10 per month less than Apple's 4s
Not all pcs are plastic and not all plastic is bad.
If I had the money and it was $400 cheaper I'd definitely consider one. It's nice to see the specs almost catch up with the price.
If you think the screen is not worth the premium then this product is not for you. Don't like iTunes? You can install Winamp in Mac. There are alternatives if you look around. You can get USB to Ethernet for $5, so its a non issue there. Macs are not for gamers, hence they don't really care much about good graphics etc, just something there in case you have some free time and you want to game a bit. I would say SGSII and iPhone 4S serves different crowd, one calls for flexibility and the other functionality and ease of use. Source: time spent playing with friend's phones.
No, a 15" with comparable specs matches closer to 6-8lbs+. "Random 15" computer" does not have a 1080+ screen, and a GT650+, letalone Thunderbolt. Link, or I'm calling bullshit. The specs for the laptop you linked are utterly pathetic to call comparable.
[U]1366 x 768[/U] LCD
8GB Ram [U]1333MHz[/U]
750GB [U]5400 RPM HDD[/U]
A comparable Dell Latitude clocks in at $2346 and still isn't 1:1 comparable. (And for a $200 premium OVER a Macbook Pro, you get 5.46lbs using a *4 cell* battery.)
Thats why Microsoft removed Hyperterminal?
You have a screen higher than 600x200? You're not allowed to view my sigpic. Please unload this webpage. Thats the dumbest half baked argument I have ever seen. You're really scrounging the bottom of the barrel for hate, aren't you?
I actually actively use iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Mp3 store. I have no DRM. I'm also in the middle of Afghanistan. Don't you dare tell me I'm tethered to the internet. Thats flat out ignorance. I sometimes go days to weeks without "internet" access[Commercial civilian, not DOD network. 99.8% uptime, whats up bro?]. Internet is my job here.
Common? Yes. Mandatory? Not even close. They aren't ignorant of needs; Have you seen the thicker 15" Macbook Pros with DVDROMs still? Apparently not. You're hating on a product that is targeted, and designed for people not wanting certain legacy interfaces. The CDROM is well on its way to being the next floppy disk.
A Macbook Air Vs. an 8Lbs Sager is a significant difference when you are constantly moving, letalone lugging around 100lbs of gear. Civilian side, it's convenient to have a nice thin, elegant design. Why do people have V8 mustangs, despite driving 35mph-75mph daily? This also coming from someone with the name FordGT90Concept. It really can be comparable to cars.
Need I remind you Apple is the most profitable company in the world?
Don't copy success, Don't copy being innovative, Copy failure(GM), or RIM
Please, keep telling yourself that. If you don't believe that the pictures are nearly carbon copies of the Macbook Air, you're just blind.
$999 Macbook Air costs $1500? Sup. Thats a pretty good joke.
Its probably their strict attention to detail, and actually caring about their users experience, instead of feature creep, and bloatware.
Why does Porsche have the prestigious following that they do?
[U]1366 x 768[/U] LCD
8GB Ram [U]1333MHz[/U]
750GB [U]5400 RPM HDD[/U]
I have just one question:
At what type of workloads are these laptops aimed?
And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested.
This thread is winning.
Anything you want to, really. These machines are perfectly capable of Photoshop and video editing, to gaming to an extent(GT650 isn't the highest end, but its a tradeoff for battery life and mobility.)
I'd say a majority of the market are general users (read: students), Developers [programming], Multiplatform development [OS X, Linux, and windows in a single box], Photoshop, Video editing, etc.
Some people just don't want windows, too.
Take your pick.
SONY VAIO SVS15113FXS Notebook Intel Core i5 3210M... 4.42 lbs.
SONY VAIO SVS15116FXS Notebook Intel Core i7 3612Q... 4.42 lbs.
DELL XPS 15z (X15z-7502ELS) Notebook Intel Core i7... 5.54 lbs.
HP ENVY 15-3040NR Notebook Intel Core i7 2670QM(2.... 5.79 lbs
TOSHIBA Qosmio F755-3D350 Notebook Intel Core i7 2... 5.4 lbs.
ThinkPad W Series W520 (42763LU) Notebook Intel Co... 5.75 lbs.
SONY VAIO CB Series VPCCB27FX/B Notebook Intel Cor... 6.30 lbs
MSI G Series GT600NC-004US Notebook Intel Core i7 ... 7.7 lbs.
You're link says right on it that it was superceded by other programs. I'm talking about the EU lawsuit that forced Microsoft to separate Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, and other programs from the EU release of Windows. Mac OS X still comes with Safari and iTunes last time I checked.
24" 1920x1200 I don't see how this is relevent to the discussion at all.
A friend of mine can't stop using iTunes because he bought over 1000 songs that are protected AAC from iTunes. In order to use them in other software, he has to remove the protection and that's easier said than done. As I said, handcuffed.
Obviously, Apple discontinued protected AAC when other MP3 download stores popped up everywhere and Apple was losing business to the DRM free retailers. They did not, however, retroactively remove DRM on DRM protected music previously purchased.
I just built a brand new, $4000 computer for someone and guess what he asked for? A floppy! It also has two Bluray burners because he's taking VHS, converting it to DVD, then enhancing it, and burning it to Bluray. FDD are on their way out, yes, because Intel killed it (no more FDD header on motherboards). You're kidding yourself if you don't think optical disks won't be around for another 10 years at least. They're far from done.
Look what you talked about there: weight, not thickness. I explicitly was talking about thickness. Guess you don't care about thickness either.
That's what happens when you're an evil corporation and exploit the poorest people on Earth. Oh, I'm sorry HP, Dell, Microsoft, etc. actually cares about their employees enough to compensate them fairly. When's the last time a Systemax, Inc. factory had a riot? Oh, never.
GM got dragged down by unions, excessive branding, and bad management that refused to compete. Apple had some of those problems in the 1990s but not in the 2000s. I fail to see how that's relevant.
I guess all cars are carbon copies because they have 4 wheels and a steering wheel. All laptops, regardless of make and model, have similar components with the same requirements. This is why all laptops have similar shapes and sizes. I feel like I'm being Captain Obvious.
MacBook Air is aluminum, not magnesium alloy. Yeah, very funny.
Like Porsche, they control every aspect of the design from hardware components to operating system and software. They can thoroughly test everything because there's only a handful of variables and they have their own supply chain as well (built by Apple, sold by Apple, supported by Apple). Buy a Dell, for example, it's built by Dell, sold by Best Buy, supported by any techie with computer knowledge. Their facism gives them a leg up in some regards but, again, the handcuffs.
Most people I run into can't tell me why they like their Apple product without spewing Apple sales lines (e.g. "it just works"). It has all the hallmarks of fantacism so I'll call it what it is: fantacism.
(I numbered them for easy reference.) 1-6 Don't even come close in CPU, LCD, GPU, or HDD. 7 and 8 are 1.5 -> twice the Macbook pro weight for comparable performance.
The EU suit was because they could not be removed without breaking windows itself. Don't bother with details that completely obliterate your completely invalid argument, that would give credit to yourself.
OS X apps are 100% removable. Hyperterminal was superceded by non microsoft apps, as detailed inn my link that you did not read. Leave out more details that completely destroy your baseless argument, please. This is much too easy.
Computers are only for gaming and surfing low resolution kitten pictures, you're right.
Step 1.) Delete ALL DRM FILES.
Step 2.) Redownload from iTunes Cloud for Free.
Step 3.) ???
Step 4.) Profit!
Handcuffed sure is a good description.
Some people still use DOS (My Grandma.).
Personally, once I get home, I will probably never touch a CDROM again. I'm not forcing you to buy a CDROM, but I specifically wanted a Macbook without one. Apple too, thinks theres people that don't want one. Wheres the issue here? Don't buy it if you don't like it. I don't want to waste money on a CDROM.
I'm sorry, but you can say with 100% certainty Dell, HP, IBm have never OEm's a single Foxxconn product, and Foxxconn is the only OEM with these problems?
Dude, get real. Take your blind fold off! Please!
Relevant? GM is now a BURDEN on the american government, because its "too big to fail", Apple is atleast contributing to things by providing jobs and not requiring taxpayer money to stay afloat.
Please though, politics need to halt here though. This is about a Macbook Pro, not Ethics.
I'm apparently employed by apple, since I help support people that use Macs.
Well poop, I want my paycheck, please!
Any computer is handcuffed in some way; Be it CPU socket, OEM feature decision, or having items soldered directly on. Any Car is handcuffed in similar ways; Cobalts generally only have a 4 cylinder. Guns are limited to Calibers. Etc. Its a cost benefit analysis for the user. Use what you want.
But they're probably happy. Isn't that the point of buying one product over another? I bought a Cobalt. I'm happy with it. Can I take it apart and put it together again? Maybe if I tried, but off hand, no. But does that make me a fanatic for using a product I like? This makes no sense.
This is going to be my new laptop. So freaking sweet.
What? When did I say or even imply that I dislike apple? Ease up on that tweak dude. I was just mentioning that that user had a ridiculous amount of fanboyism and it was painful to read his post. He was not posting anything factual, just attacking anyone who looked like they didn't like apple... a little like yourself...
My god, you apple guys get so defensive....
Separate names with a comma.