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Apple MacBook Pro 2018 Appears to Have a Serious Design Flaw

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Fun fact: all of them have multiple, serious, intentional design flaws to make sure it fails. And then they do everything they can to lie to the customer and block repair shops.
 
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So after bendgate and antennagate we now have... wakeygate?

I wonder how long Apple can keep this up. Their product portfolio is rapidly deteriorating.
 
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I think the article gets the serious design flaw wrong. The serious design flaw is OSX. You can't have common sense and figure out how to make that OS work efficiently. My boss is a Macnut and I am forced to use a Mac Pro at work. It is so painful to use I routinely get work done at home then port it over. Everything takes 3x longer using OSX.
 
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....apple greatest strength is its ecosystem which gets you locked in. It starts with a cool phone and then boom you gotta get everything to match.........Whooaaa Apple is the Garanimals of the tech world. Just another case of brand recognition being more powerful/valuable than the reality of the product.
 
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Most people don't understand and choose to hate on Apple for being overpriced. Tell me something, what other company will replace your laptop with a brand new one? None of them. They have had a bit of bad press recently and I think that has to do with lack of real leadership. But it seems more and more all tech companies are coming under greater scrutiny these days. But why? The tech advances are piling up and people still find something to complain about. People who can't do basic calculus acting like they have a right to complain about engineering problems. :slap:
 
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Most people don't understand and choose to hate on Apple for being overpriced. Tell me something, what other company will replace your laptop with a brand new one? None of them. They have had a bit of bad press recently and I think that has to do with lack of real leadership. But it seems more and more all tech companies are coming under greater scrutiny these days. But why? The tech advances are piling up and people still find something to complain about. People who can't do basic calculus acting like they have a right to complain about engineering problems. :slap:
Lenovo and Dell does replace your Thinkpad or Precision.
 
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Most people don't understand and choose to hate on Apple for being overpriced. Tell me something, what other company will replace your laptop with a brand new one? None of them. They have had a bit of bad press recently and I think that has to do with lack of real leadership. But it seems more and more all tech companies are coming under greater scrutiny these days. But why? The tech advances are piling up and people still find something to complain about. People who can't do basic calculus acting like they have a right to complain about engineering problems. :slap:
You haven't been paying attention. Many times they don't and just lie blaming the user. You can buy applecare all you want and you still won't get a repair/replacement. This gets you a replacement b/c it's too new and undeniable and they already have enough class actions.
 
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At the thickest point DELL is thicker by 0.05 inch (1.27 millimeters ).:shadedshu:
Apple fanboys: "DELL IS LITERALLY UNUSABLE".

Most people don't understand and choose to hate on Apple for being overpriced. Tell me something, what other company will replace your laptop with a brand new one? None of them. They have had a bit of bad press recently and I think that has to do with lack of real leadership. But it seems more and more all tech companies are coming under greater scrutiny these days. But why? The tech advances are piling up and people still find something to complain about. People who can't do basic calculus acting like they have a right to complain about engineering problems. :slap:
"You can't criticise something if you can't design it"... seriously? Are you and your nonexistent debating skills for real?
 
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"You can't criticise something if you can't design it... seriously? Are you and your nonexistent debating skills for real?
You really can't. It just sounds like complaining. Now if you can layout an engineering trace of the problem and explain why their mistake was so bad then I will listen. Tell me how you would have approached the problem from an engineering perspective and what steps would you take at this point to ensure the problem does not happen.
 
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Apple products are indeed serviceable. It’s not always easy, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Many claim you can’t replace iPhone batteries, but I’ve done it multiple times. Apple can open a late model MacBook /Pro and replace the keyboard, screen, battery, speakers, ports, logic board, etc. Whether they elect to do so might come down to something as simple as “hey, your repair will take 1-2 weeks to troubshoot and get parts, or you can just swap it out for one we have in stock today. We can transfer your files and settings over and send you on your way.” That seems like a customer service win to me.

Honestly, customer service is quite variable, and most companies respond differently depending on the situation. A part of my job involves customer service, and the way I respond often depends on how the customer is behaving. Some customers can’t communicate well or misunderstand what my company does, others lie compulsively or get belligerent to try to force my hand. Some go to social media, the news, or a lawyer when they don’t like what they hear and claim they got crapped on by the company that they just tried to get one over on. I deal with enough of it that I take any of these customer experience stories with a big grain of salt.
 

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Lenovo and Dell does replace your Thinkpad or Precision.
No they don't. They absolutely just do a repair and send a refurb out if it is a replacement.

Now Lenovo will hold onto you matching for 6 months until you complain loud enough for them to send you a new one out.
 
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It's also a plastic case and we'll known for logic board failures.
I like that you keep finding a new "feature" to hold on after failing to justify the previous ones ,"plastic case" and "logic board failures" hahahaa , it's a lost cause trying to reason with Apple fanboys.
 
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No they don't. They absolutely just do a repair and send a refurb out if it is a replacement.

Now Lenovo will hold onto you matching for 6 months until you complain loud enough for them to send you a new one out.
your proof? did you order the extended warranty to make that claim? Thinkpad's and Precision models are workstations and they are mission critical computers. Don't confuse them with cheapass notebooks. I've seen hundreds of notebooks from msi, asus failed at the field.
 
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Ever worked on them to make that claim?
Even if I did, would it matter ? There are businesses out there that specialize in repairing Apple products only and even they will be unable to fix certain problems.

You only have to see one of them apart and it becomes pretty obvious that they are not just difficult to repair they are specifically designed that way.
 

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your proof? did you order the extended warranty to make that claim? Thinkpad's and Precision models are workstations and they are mission critical computers. Don't confuse them with cheapass notebooks. I've seen hundreds of notebooks from msi, asus failed at the field.
Yea I actually own a business class Thinkpad with an extended warranty. I know exactly how the situation goes. It's not a cheap model.

I also worked as a level 3 tech at a major repair shop so y'all consistently arguing which machines are hard or easy to repair without ever touching them literally blows my mind. This whole I saw a picture on Google nonsense is a joke. Tell you what find me a working slimline precision or XPS 15 from 3-4 years ago. I can tell you they don't exist because every single one of them that was sold came back with a bad logic board. :rolleyes:

Even if I did, would it matter ? There are businesses out there that specialize in repairing Apple products only and even they will be unable to fix certain problems.

You only have to see one of them apart and it becomes pretty obvious that they are not just difficult to repair they are specifically designed that way.
It absolutely matters. Please stop telling me what's easy to repair without doing it.

I like that you keep finding a new "feature" to hold on after failing to justify the previous ones ,"plastic case" and "logic board failures" hahahaa , it's a lost cause trying to reason with Apple fanboys.
What on earth are you talking about? Plastic laptops piss me off. I have a $2500 acer predator on my desk right now... It's built like garbage.
 
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Please stop telling me what's easy to repair without doing it.
I ain't telling anyone anything but you are aware that this "but did you do it?" argument is one of the weakest you can have, right ? Literally conveys no proof of anything or reason on why I shouldn't say something.
 
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Most people don't understand and choose to hate on Apple for being overpriced. Tell me something, what other company will replace your laptop with a brand new one? None of them.
HP, Lenovo, Dell (looking at workstations of course), and whats the point of Apple replacing it if it has design flaws? You will end up with same problems (like crap cooling).
 

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I ain't telling anyone anything but you are aware that this "but did you do it?" argument is one of the weakest you can have, right ? Literally conveys no proof of anything or reason on why I shouldn't say something.
The argument is better than "I saw a picture of it on the internet".

Would you like me to get specific as to why the apple ones are easier to work on? I absolutely can.
 
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Would you like me to get specific as to why the apple ones are easier to work on? I absolutely can.
You can but it would still not outweigh the plethora of contradictory claims that have piled up over the years. I would much rather trust the hundreds of reports, videos and yes even images that paint a different picture than the one you describe.

You are quite literally one of the only people that I have heard claim Apple products are easily serviceable.
 

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You can but it would still not outweigh the plethora of contradictory claims that have piled up over the years. I would much rather trust the hundreds of reports, videos and yes even images that paint a different picture than the one you describe.

You are quite literally one of the only people that I have heard claim Apple products are easily serviceable.
Are those claims saying you can't change the ram, ssd and gpu? Because that is absolutely true. It's a single pcb to replace everything in the current ones. This isn't any different than anything else in its class.

The board change is cake. You remove the torx screws that everyone copied apple and uses now.

Remove about 14 screws, 5-6 well built cables and the cooler.

I'm sorry if you find that more difficult than the 8 layers of plastic in most modern laptops to just get to the logic board.

Most of the complaints about "serviceability" of a Mac have zero to do with replacing parts and everything to do with a closed ecosystem for parts.

Now if we were talking 2009 and older model macs? Absolutely terrible products to work on. The newer ones are cake.
 
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Processor Intel i5-6600k
Motherboard ASRock Z170 Extreme7+
Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer i11
Memory 2x8GB DDR4 2400 G.Skill
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 128 and 256GB OCZ Vertex4, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 3TB Seagate
Display(s) HP ZR24w
Case Chieftec BX01
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
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