Apple TV 4K or Nvidia Shield Pro 2019?

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

I hope this is the right sector in the forum to ask this.

I want to keep it simple I been looking into buying a Apple TV 4K (2nd gen) or a Nvidia Shield Pro (2019) since I want a device that is fast, that can stream HDR and support Dolby (HDR10+, Atmos and so on), DTS audio and all that and direct play from Plex and streaming from HBO Max.

I am also planning to switch from Plex to Jellyfin because I am tired of Plex being janky and their relay service plus LG's updates for their WebOS keeps giving me issues with the Plex app where my older LG IPS 4K smart tv needs to almost every time I use it needs to be deleted and logged in again.

I like the idea of having the possibility to use airplay from my Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max which is possible with the Apple TV 4K.

Anyone that have a good idea which box will be the best for my needs also with software support?

The price is about the same for both boxes about £180 so this is no reason to get one or over the other and I do not consider Google Chromecast with TV or Xiaomi Mi TV Box S 4K they feel too cheap for my needs.

TheLostSwede · Apr 5, 2022

Fire TV Stick 4K Max?
It's cheap and does everything you want.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/fire-tv-stick-4k-max-streaming-device-wi-fi-6-alexa-voice-remote-includes-tv-controls/dp/B08MQZYSVC

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

TheLostSwede said:
Fire TV Stick 4K Max?
It's cheap and does everything you want.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/fire-tv-stick-4k-max-streaming-device-wi-fi-6-alexa-voice-remote-includes-tv-controls/dp/B08MQZYSVC

I am not the biggest fan of Amazon devices I tried their first Fire Stick and TV box together with kodi but it wasn't my cup of tea.

I have looked at Emby but I think Jellyfin suits my needs better also they have a lot of data that can be fetched for anime which is a big bonus for me.

bug · Apr 5, 2022

Just a note, I don't think HDR10+ is what you're after, that's pretty much Samsung only. I think you meant Dolby Vision.

TheLostSwede · Apr 5, 2022

puma99dk| said:
I am not the biggest fan of Amazon devices I tried their first Fire Stick and TV box together with kodi but it wasn't my cup of tea.

I have looked at Emby but I think Jellyfin suits my needs better also they have a lot of data that can be fetched for anime which is a big bonus for me.

They've improved a lot, just based on my 4K stick.

I just realised that Jellyfish is a fork of Emby.

Nuckles56 · Apr 5, 2022

I'm going to say that the remote for the apple TV is one of the most poorly designed things apple has ever made, worse than that mouse that had the charging point on the bottom. So unless you really love apple for some reason, go with the shield instead

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

TheLostSwede said:
They've improved a lot, just based on my 4K stick.

I just realised that Jellyfish is a fork of Emby.

Still afraid it won't be for me and a waste of money I am not an american that want amazon products.

Nuckles56 said:
I'm going to say that the remote for the apple TV is one of the most poorly designed things apple has ever made, worse than that mouse that had the charging point on the bottom. So unless you really love apple for some reason, go with the shield instead

I have a friend which is really happy with his Apple TV 4K (2nd gen) but I haven't personally tired it.

How good is Nvidia's record of keeping their Android products alive with security updates?

I heard that the up-scaling on the shield is really good but I haven't seen it in person.

elemelek · Apr 5, 2022

I have the Shield 2017 version. Best purchase ever. Hooked up to Sony Amplifier and 4k HDR TV. Quite old device but has Android 11 and January 2022 security patch.

ThrashZone · Apr 5, 2022

Hi,
I pretty much hate smart t.v.'s and crappy apps they have total waste

I just connect a real computer to a t.v and call it a day
If I want to watch something there are many sites for free content and of course you can monthly/.. subscribe to any favs.

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
I pretty much hate smart t.v.'s and crappy apps they have total waste

I just connect a real computer to a t.v and call it a day
If I want to watch something there are many sites for free content and of course you can monthly/.. subscribe to any favs.

I do have a laptop but it's old and do not support HDR and so on and I do not want to spend the money for a new device with HDMI 2.1 and so on to get all the features with a PC.

Same why I purchased a region free 4k blu-ray from Stegen in the Netherlands so I can play all my Asian and US blu-rays here in europe since the regions makes it even more crap on Windows.

Chrispy_ · Apr 5, 2022

AppleTV is such a restricted, vendor-locked, and walled-garden experience I'm surprised you're even asking.

For what you want to do, the decision is a no-brainer and the Shield is a fantastic device (I've used, but not owned).

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

Chrispy_ said:
AppleTV is such a restricted, vendor-locked, and walled-garden experience I'm surprised you're even asking.

For what you want to do, the decision is a no-brainer and the Shield is a fantastic device (I've used, but not owned).

I been using ChromeCast from time to time but I all my iPhone been janky with the Google feature this was why I am also considering a Apple TV 4K I do not need jailbreak or anything because the goverment user app I use cannot be used when I either test iOS beta version or jailbreak my Apple devices and for the 2 main things I need it will not brother me at all.

I also consider the AppleTV to get airplay from my iPhone to see if it would be a better experience.

ThrashZone · Apr 5, 2022

Hi,
Maybe add some prices to the op
Apple doesn't sell anything cheap so this must of been a closeout sell even considering one ?

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Maybe add some prices to the op
Apple doesn't sell anything cheap so this must of been a closeout sell even considering one ?

Sell out for the same price as for the Nvidia Shield Pro? It's call prices in my country.

Durvelle27 · Apr 5, 2022

bug said:
Just a note, I don't think HDR10+ is what you're after, that's pretty much Samsung only. I think you meant Dolby Vision.

I'm not sure where you got this but HDR10+ is not Samsung only

TheLostSwede · Apr 5, 2022

puma99dk| said:
Still afraid it won't be for me and a waste of money I am not an american that want amazon products.

I mainly use mine for Netflix and emby and it has been flawless since they updated their stupid OS. I do subscribe to prime video from time to time, but it's not what it's used for most of the time. The Max model does everything you want and costs a third of the hardware you're looking at, so why not give it a try and return it if it's not suitable?

puma99dk| said:
How good is Nvidia's record of keeping their Android products alive with security updates?

Apparently one of the best in the business.

Durvelle27 said:
I'm not sure where you got this but HDR10+ is not Samsung only

Very few TVs that aren't from Samsung has support for it though.

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

Durvelle27 said:
I'm not sure where you got this but HDR10+ is not Samsung only

I got a user on my Plex that uses a Samsung TV, another with Apple TV 4K (2nd gen), 2 with chromecast and then my with LG CX OLED and another LG IPS smart tv.

Durvelle27 · Apr 5, 2022

I never owned a Nvidia Shield but I have owned the Apple TV. And honestly didn't quite like it or the OS. Can be be slow and clunky plus you can't get some Apps on it. I switched to FireStick 4Ks in every room in my house and never looked back. They just work and very well especially for the cost. I caught mine for $29 a piece

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

TheLostSwede said:
I mainly use mine for Netflix and emby and it has been flawless since they updated their stupid OS. I do subscribe to prime video from time to time, but it's not what it's used for most of the time. The Max model does everything you want and costs a third of the hardware you're looking at, so why not give it a try and return it if it's not suitable?

Apparently one of the best in the business.

Very few TVs that aren't from Samsung has support for it though.

Return a Amazon product means I need to buy about £50 in shipping to return it to Amazon in Germany if I don't like it and it will be really hard to sell on the second hand market here.

Durvelle27 · Apr 5, 2022

TheLostSwede said:
I mainly use mine for Netflix and emby and it has been flawless since they updated their stupid OS. I do subscribe to prime video from time to time, but it's not what it's used for most of the time. The Max model does everything you want and costs a third of the hardware you're looking at, so why not give it a try and return it if it's not suitable?

Apparently one of the best in the business.

Very few TVs that aren't from Samsung has support for it though.

All my High end TCLs support HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

Durvelle27 said:
All my High end TCLs support HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision

Sadly in the EU TCL is not something you can really buy in the EU and Xiaomi is just getting started too with TV's.

You can buy ofc B&O, LG, Samsung, Philips and so on even Nokia has come back, Panasonic, Grundig and I believe Finlux too.

Nike_486DX · Apr 5, 2022

with android or windows you are getting a more universal and future proof solution (for the same reason the first gen apple tv easily outlasted the 2nd and 3rd gen). That is unless you already own a mac, an iphone and are willing to integrate further into the ecosystem.

Durvelle27 · Apr 5, 2022

puma99dk| said:
Sadly in the EU TCL is not something you can really buy in the EU and Xiaomi is just getting started too with TV's.

You can buy ofc B&O, LG, Samsung, Philips and so on even Nokia has come back, Panasonic, Grundig and I believe Finlux too.

Oh I'm not suggesting a TV or anything. I was just commenting to the other poster stating Only Samsung does HDR10+ which isn't true. TCL, Hisense, Vizio, LG, and many other support it as well

Fluffmeister · Apr 5, 2022

Durvelle27 said:
Oh I'm not suggesting a TV or anything. I was just commenting to the other poster stating Only Samsung does HDR10+ which isn't true. TCL, Hisense, Vizio, LG, and many other support it as well

Indeed, but it's not worth getting too hung up about it, with both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision content being mastered from 1,000 to 4,000 cd/m², most TV's don't get bright enough anyway.

Shou Miko · Apr 5, 2022

Nike_486DX said:
with android or windows you are getting a more universal and future proof solution (for the same reason the first gen apple tv easily outlasted the 2nd and 3rd gen). That is unless you already own a mac, an iphone and are willing to integrate further into the ecosystem.

I already have a iPhone 12 Pro Max and I am happy with it no major issues and I use the imessage feature with people outside my country.

So I got one i-device I had several android phones and one tablet I still own. My last android was OnePlus 6T it was a fine phone and so on but with all the government apps the people in this country need the time for custom roms, jailbreak is a thing in the past because you get a prompt saying your device ain't secure.

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