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Which one to go with for overclocking my 5600x, ?

I will be upgrading from hyper 212 argb, would the air cooled one be enough to see improvement or should i go for the liquid cooled one to see an improvement ?
 
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I would go with Noctua.
 
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I would go with Noctua.

That wasn't the question, though.

Either one should handle the heat output of a 5600X in most scenario. The LF has more thermal capacity, so will hypothetically be more effective on a sustained load. Zen 3 doesn't OC particularly effectively, though, partially due to built-in boost algorithms, and partially due to fairly high power density. Z3 dice are small.

Full disclosure, this is based on info I've gleaned from articles and forum discussions; I haven't even OC'ed my 5600G. @tabascosauz knows their way around Zen, though. Hope they don't mind I've tagged them in here. :oops:
 
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From what I've seen on Gamers Nexus, they're both respected coolers, but the Arctic would win that fight. Isn't the Arctic a lot more expensive though?
 
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Gamers Nexus - Lian Li Galahad 360 Elite Review (I linked this one because it is their most recent and has the most water coolers to compare)
You can skip to 12:34 to see the noise-normalized performance bar chart. A 5600x will never pull anywhere near 198w, so just about every cooler on that chart is over kill. You can see though, that every water cooler beats the best air cooler on their chart, which is the Noctua NH-D15. The Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 performs 6c cooler on average than the NH-D15, which is a significant amount. This advantage could either be used to run the system at quieter noise levels since your cooler doesn't have to work as hard or to give you more potential headroom when overclocking. Air cooling has benefits over water cooling too though like simplicity of set up, reliability, and longevity.

Gamers Nexus - Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo Review you can skip to 13:19 for the noise normalized performance at a 68w heat load. This the same heat load that a 5600x will produce and you can see that even the Vetroo V5 is providing enough cooling for an overclocked 3600. So again, water cooling a 5600x is probably overkill and all you really need is a $50-$60 air cooler to get a good overclock. That being said, I plan to put an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 in the 5600x system I'm building. If you're willing to spend the extra money, an aio will simply give you better performance. Lower temps = lower power draw = higher clock speeds. The Liquid Freezer II 280 will likely have enough cooling power for whatever CPU you might want to upgrade to in the future. Once you get into the range of 100w+ CPUs, water cooling becomes a lot more important for overclocking.

Edit: Just a little extra info. I currently use a Liquid Freezer II 280 on a 12600k and I can run it at 5.4-5.2ghz @1.400V (5.4 for single core boost, 5.2 for all-core boost) and loop cinebench r23 for at least an hour with temps under 90C. The 12600k will pull 200w+ when running like this. The Liquid Freezer II 280 is a beast of a cooler.
 
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Which one to go with for overclocking my 5600x, ?

I will be upgrading from hyper 212 argb, would the air cooled one be enough to see improvement or should i go for the liquid cooled one to see an improvement ?

Big AIOs are honestly a waste of money on a 5600X. At stock or PBO tenps are comparable to about a 5700G, which is trivially easy to cool. It's hard limited to I think 4850MHz in +200 PBO, single thread boost.

If you are really, really pushing it on an all-core OC, I can see a bit of merit in a larger AIO. Since the 5600X is the only chip that potentially doesn't lose that much clockspeed with all-core due to its low boost cap. But then again, it's a 6-core, you didn't buy it for insane prkductivity performance.

And all-core is more dependent on your CPU than anything, I wouldn't have too much confidence in anything manufactured pre-Q3 2021. Since 3000, Ryzen has always started out complete dogshit silicon quality, and improved significantly roughly 6+ months after release. Check your IHS batch code.

In any case, the Freezer 34 works just fine. But @freeagent is more familiar with 5600X cooling needs under hard OC

Bottom line: if you have a bad chip or just use mild PBO, water = waste of time. If you push a hard all-core, water will start pulling in the lead over air.
 
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Get the AIO. Cools better, will give you more headroom for overclocking if you decide to do so.
 

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To be fair, if you ever decide to manually push the 5600X, it can put out hella thermals. I have seen OTP kick in under 75c with manual clocks lol.. I don't mess with temp stuff in the bios, so that was an act of self preservation I do believe. Any more than 155w PPT and it will take you to the boot screen pretty quick. Not bad for a "65w" CPU.

Out of those two I don't know what I would get. I am a Thermalright fanboy. Now that part is out of the way, if you are shopping on Amazon I would look up the Thermalright PA120, but preferably FC140.. I can max out 5600X with FC140..
 
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Thermalright Peerless Assassin's on sale for $40ish on Amazon. By far the best bang for your buck you'll find. You won't need to buy another hsf again.
Unless you have the sickness that is hahaha.
 
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What it boils down too is airflow. An air cooler in a closed case will need to move more air thru and out of the case at higher volumes so the internal case doesnt retain the heat. On the other hand, an AIO 'normally' mounted with its fans exhausting has the advantage of already wicking heat out of the case letting the internal ccase remain cooler longer. I'm in the camp that air coolers demand higher fan speeds than an AIO.

One advantage, some may disagree, an air cooler draws VRM heat better than most AIOs, Arctic LF2s have a tiny fan on the block just to move air ( I didnt say cool) across the VRMs.

To be fair, if you ever decide to manually push the 5600X, it can put out hella thermals. I have seen OTP kick in under 75c with manual clocks lol.. I don't mess with temp stuff in the bios, so that was an act of self preservation I do believe. Any more than 155w PPT and it will take you to the boot screen pretty quick. Not bad for a "65w" CPU.

Out of those two I don't know what I would get. I am a Thermalright fanboy. Now that part is out of the way, if you are shopping on Amazon I would look up the Thermalright PA120, but preferably FC140.. I can max out 5600X with FC140..
I seem to recall the Esports having around a 75w rating.
 
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The 34, Alternatives.

Deepcool, Scythe, ThermalRight
 
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Gamers Nexus - Lian Li Galahad 360 Elite Review (I linked this one because it is their most recent and has the most water coolers to compare)
You can skip to 12:34 to see the noise-normalized performance bar chart. A 5600x will never pull anywhere near 198w, so just about every cooler on that chart is over kill. You can see though, that every water cooler beats the best air cooler on their chart, which is the Noctua NH-D15. The Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 performs 6c cooler on average than the NH-D15, which is a significant amount. This advantage could either be used to run the system at quieter noise levels since your cooler doesn't have to work as hard or to give you more potential headroom when overclocking. Air cooling has benefits over water cooling too though like simplicity of set up, reliability, and longevity.

Gamers Nexus - Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo Review you can skip to 13:19 for the noise normalized performance at a 68w heat load. This the same heat load that a 5600x will produce and you can see that even the Vetroo V5 is providing enough cooling for an overclocked 3600. So again, water cooling a 5600x is probably overkill and all you really need is a $50-$60 air cooler to get a good overclock. That being said, I plan to put an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 in the 5600x system I'm building. If you're willing to spend the extra money, an aio will simply give you better performance. Lower temps = lower power draw = higher clock speeds. The Liquid Freezer II 280 will likely have enough cooling power for whatever CPU you might want to upgrade to in the future. Once you get into the range of 100w+ CPUs, water cooling becomes a lot more important for overclocking.

Edit: Just a little extra info. I currently use a Liquid Freezer II 280 on a 12600k and I can run it at 5.4-5.2ghz @1.400V (5.4 for single core boost, 5.2 for all-core boost) and loop cinebench r23 for at least an hour with temps under 90C. The 12600k will pull 200w+ when running like this. The Liquid Freezer II 280 is a beast of a cooler.
I have since installed the LF II 280 w/ liquid metal on my 5600x. I'm new to AMD overclocking, so I don't think I've really pushed the chip to its limit, but I've seen it pull 135w+ doing loops of cinebench r23 multithread. It will thermal throttle if I set the voltage over 1.35v, so a 5600x can definitely put out some heat if you try to manually overclock it.
 
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The Hyper 212 is good enough for a 5600X, probably even overclocked.
 
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fairly high power density. Z3 dice are small.

Full disclosure, this is based on info I've gleaned from articles and forum discussions; I haven't even OC'ed my 5600G.
You are aware that the Ryzen APU's are monolithic, right?
 

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You are aware that the Ryzen APU's are monolithic, right?

Yes. I wasn't talking directly about the 5600G, only mentioning it as an aside to highlight my lack of direct experience with the Z3 arch. The point was supposed to be that Vermeer CCXs are 81mm^2, which isn't a lot of area to to dissipate 70 or more watts of heat.
 
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