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Are these temps high for a 5800x? (~55 °C light tasks)

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The balanced power profile with 30-40% minimum cpu limit is very nice for Zen3. My experience from 5600 says so.
 
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Its really a personal preference. By default the balanced has minimum of 5%. I keep it 10%.
@More Sly you can just do your testing and decide.
 
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IMHO, Ryzen balanced power is the best of all worlds

Also get the latest chipset drivers from AMD website, not Gigabyte

Thanks! A Ryzen balanced setting sounds good. And you're definitely right that I should be grabbing drivers from the source.

This power profile probably explains a lot. Though I usually have it on High Performance anyways, I assumed it was on Balanced after the format. What a miss. Good call @mclaren85.
 
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This power profile probably explains a lot. Though I usually have it on High Performance anyways, I assumed it was on Balanced after the format. What a miss. Good call @mclaren85.
Mentioned it on my first post here earlier that Ryzens can be too boost jumpy on high performance plan... I guess I wrote a lot back then.:D

A few cool info threads to read when you can:

 
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Mentioned it on my first post here earlier that Ryzens can be too boost jumpy on high performance plan... I guess I wrote a lot back then.:D
Sorry to have missed that! Buried in all the good info, but I probably assumed I was on balanced and didn't bother to check :p

Thank you again for more good info - lots of reading to do!
 

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Not a bad price on that one! Thanks for the recommendation.
There is Scythe Aswell

Mentioned it on my first post here earlier that Ryzens can be too boost jumpy on high performance plan... I guess I wrote a lot back then.:D

A few cool info threads to read when you can:

Sounds a lot like CNQ or Speedstep
 
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It's summer in Berlin, you may have high ambient temp already.
I'm pretty much in the same area and with high ambient 30+ C) on air I barely exceeded 70 when gaming. Shove a fan to cool me and pc and I'm back at 64C.
Goals. Are the two CPUs heat performance comparable? I assume so given the responses citing it.

I'll check out your cooler too, thank you!


Seems I've been (annoyingly) on an auto-set Razer Cortex power plan, but I just formatted anyways. Had I not it would be on High Performance, which is the same setting for processor power management. Should I be setting it lower?

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Use Balanced Windows power plan. Don't bother with anything else. Ryzen power plans are no longer required for 5000 series onward.
 
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I'm pretty much in the same area and with high ambient 30+ C) on air I barely exceeded 70 when gaming. Shove a fan to cool me and pc and I'm back at 64C.
Try mafia III this is worst nightmare for Ryzen in terms of temperatures :)
 
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I got the Y-cables I needed today and installed them - it's more in the temperature area I'd expect with all five of my case fans running again. ~10-15 °C difference across the board with as much as 20 °C difference at peaks. I was expecting something like ~5 °C, so that's a nice learning experience about just how much having a full suite of case fans really does.

I'm now ~ 35 °C idle and mid-40s on a light load. My peaks are also much, much lower at around 60 °C. Massive improvement more in line with what I'd expect from browsing and videos, etc. Downloads and installs are now at a much more expected high-40s to low-50s.

Unfortunately the Thermal Grizzly was a bit delayed so I'll have to add it later, but had I gotten these readings before I probably wouldn't have worried about anything. Since it'll be around and I know now that this is a hot chip (even if my experience isn't exactly related to that) I'll probably apply it instead of the no name stuff I had kicking around for good measure. I am still getting more fans ramping up than I'm used to, but if the new compound doesn't sort that the fan curve I end up implementing probably will.

Thanks for all the responses assuaging my concern and for all the great recommendations and resources - even though the immediate concern is gone I have a lot to learn about this new brand of chips and you folks sent some awesome resources my way. Plus, I'm always in the market for more heat headroom so those CPU coolers mentioned have gone onto a price tracking list. I'll be sure the report back if the new thermal paste makes a bigger difference, but with gaming and benchmark numbers.
 
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Cant remember if anyone already said it...
To get the CPU fan rpm/noise a little less intrusive (annoying) you can insert a temp delta (delay) of 3~5°C in responsiveness of it.
This can be done from a software that you may use to set the CPU fan curve, or from BIOS (for FAN curve and delta/delay)

The ultimate way of course to smooth CPU fan(s) as possible is to use a water cooler (AIO or custom), as long as it can be set (its fans) to track water temp and not the CPU temp.
Water temp spikes a lot less during CPU temp spikes.

Top is CPU temp, middle is water and bottom fan rpm

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Cant remember if anyone already said it...
To get the CPU fan rpm/noise a little less intrusive (annoying) you can insert a temp delta (delay) of 3~5°C in responsiveness of it.
This can be done from a software that you may use to set the CPU fan curve, or from BIOS (for FAN curve and delta/delay)
That's interesting. Is this just about letting the CPU peak and settle lower before the fans can try to kick in?
 
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Cant remember if anyone already said it...
To get the CPU fan rpm/noise a little less intrusive (annoying) you can insert a temp delta (delay) of 3~5°C in responsiveness of it.
This can be done from a software that you may use to set the CPU fan curve, or from BIOS (for FAN curve and delta/delay)

I do something similar. All of my various builds' CPUs are water cooled, mostly AIOs and one custom cooling loop.

I use a slight time delay on the fan curve, both for spinning up and slowing down. On my daily driver desktop PC, that means a 0.7 sec delay in spinning up and a 1.0 sec delay in spinning down the fans mounted on the CPU's AIO radiator. These are the maximum delays this particular motherboard allows (MSI MPG B550-I Gaming Wifi). This means that momentary power spikes in CPU usage won't correspond to instant fan speed increases. This means fewer and more gradual fan speed changes and thus less fan noise distractions. The CPU itself has access to plenty of cooling capacity via the radiator's coolant flow.

@More Sly:
Look at this example with the three graphs of CPU PPT, CPU temperature, and CPU radiator fan rpm:

cpu-pwr-temp-fan.jpg


The green arrow shows a momentary power spike with a less sharp jump in temperature. The fan speed shows no corresponding movement.

Another key thing I do is to set the bottom fan curve temperature several degrees Celsius higher than the CPU's resting/idle temperature. That way if there's a slight temperature increase from light usage I won't hear the fans immediately spin up.

The ultimate way of course to smooth CPU fan(s) as possible is to use a water cooler (AIO or custom), as long as it can be set (its fans) to track water temp and not the CPU temp.
Water temp spikes a lot less during CPU temp spikes.

With my custom cooling loop, I set the delay for the CPU radiator fans to 5.0 sec both for spinning up and slowing down; this motherboard (see System Specs) allows for longer fan delays. For my GPU, I have an inline sensor that measures fluid temperature of the exhaust coolant right before it enters the 360mm radiator. This fan curve has zero delay because the coolant temperature fluctuates very little and very slowly. There's no reason to moderate or delay the fan speed here. If the coolant temperature goes up, that's because a large amount of heat is being dumped into the loop.

Noise comes in different forms. Everyone's hearing is different so what might bother one person might be acceptable to another. It isn't just amplitude (volume, like decibels) but there's also frequency. For me, I find fan speed change noises to be particularly irritating so I'd rather have most constant noise with less frequent changes. This is one of the factors that influences how I set fan curves.

I got the Y-cables I needed today and installed them - it's more in the temperature area I'd expect with all five of my case fans running again. ~10-15 °C difference across the board with as much as 20 °C difference at peaks. I was expecting something like ~5 °C, so that's a nice learning experience about just how much having a full suite of case fans really does.

I'm now ~ 35 °C idle and mid-40s on a light load. My peaks are also much, much lower at around 60 °C. Massive improvement more in line with what I'd expect from browsing and videos, etc. Downloads and installs are now at a much more expected high-40s to low-50s.
These numbers are much better.

I have a temporary build with a 5800X in a very well-ventilated case (Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance) cooled by an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm radiator. The CPU idles at 30 °C and maxes out at 52 °C with this over-specced AIO.

Having enough case cooling is particularly important for CPU air cooled builds otherwise you're just blowing hot air around the interior of the case.

In my aforementioned build the 360mm radiator is mounted as a front panel intake so I still need good ventilation to move any heat outside the case (top and back exhaust). I used to have the 5800X cooled by a smaller top mounted 240mm radiator exhausting up and out and the temperatures were still pretty good.
 
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That's interesting. Is this just about letting the CPU peak and settle lower before the fans can try to kick in?
More or less…

If you set a delay then the fans will ignore short timed spikes in CPU power/temp. Only if the increase is sustained the fans will ramp up, or down in the opposite situation.

When you do this with a small capacity cooler you might get higher CPU temps overall across all levels.
But a large capacity cooler Air/liquid can take it because it takes longer for the cooler to be soaked with heat before the fans start dissipate it.

Needs testing to find your own comfortable levels of noise/temp.
 
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Yeah on air you need to set a delay on fan curve in order to avoid short fan spikes during light tasks.
 
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Yeah on air you need to set a delay on fan curve in order to avoid short fan spikes during light tasks.
I tried doing that but in summer conditions the best practice imho is to have the min fan rpm at about 40-50% and from there on the other curves will be smoother and so, less variety for the fan rpms.
 
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I tried doing that but in summer conditions the best practice imho is to have the min fan rpm at about 40-50% and from there on the other curves will be smoother and so, less jerkiness for the fan rpms.
Yeah keep it at 40-50% and ramp above 60C.
 
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ryzen 3xxx series good investment, with scythe 14cm cooler my 3600x rarely goes above 70 celsius even during summer's 24-30 celsius
 
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Higher temp is expected from Ryzen 3000 series onwards. That is mostly due to the chiplet design. The chiplet(s) are small in size and off center, which is why heat transfer is not the best. The other problem with the 5800X is the high power limit. I think default is 142W. That amount of power on that small tiny chiplet results in massive amount of heat. I was using a 360 AIO and still seeing load temp in the early 80s with ambient of about 27 degrees celcius. I dropped that value to 120W and immediately see a significant drop in temp with sub 5% lost in multi threaded performance. So I think it is worth the trade off.
 
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Display(s) 27" LG 144HZ 2K ULTRAGEAR
Case MSI MPG Velox Airflow 100P
Audio Device(s) Altec Lansing
Power Supply Seasonic 750W 80+ Gold
Mouse HP OMEN REACTOR
Keyboard Corsair K68
Software Windows10 LTSC 64 bit
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Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (387W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.3.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000, VRR on
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
Do motherboard manufacturers modify the AMD chipset package?
I really dont know, but I don't care either. Personally I think its safer to use AMD drivers if you use any.
Though with Ryzen5000 I think you can also skip chipset drivers completely.
 
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