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For years I heard about TN panels and how terrible the image quality is,before a month I tried a TN panels for the 1st time in action it was Asus vp248h and man the image quality was to the ground, mostly I noticed that texts are so much jagged..but today I tried Asus xg248q at my friend's house and it looks exactly like an IPS panel I couldn't spot a deformity or "unsharp" image, I really didn't expect that, while I really didn't "feel" the 240fps experience, there was no stuttering at all games were very very smooth and I didn't notice the motion blur that I usually see on my 60hz IPS monitor (73 oc) which makes tracking kinda hard and I think it helped me not developing the usual headache that I get when I play for long times (is this a thing or I am just making things up?)

So my point is: are all high end TN panels have good image quality like the Asus xg248q or even better? If yes can you please guys list the best TN panels right now, s I was going to get a new 1440p 144hz IPS monitor but I was afraid of the black light bleed, but now I may reconsider TN panels..idk I am really confused now
 
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Ever since I went to IPS I cannot even look at TN panels anymore. The colours on TN look washed out compared to IPS and light bleed on IPS is generally a thing of the past too. The things that you complained about on your IPS panel are more to do with the refresh rate. I am confident that you will fall back in love with a 1440P 144hz panel. I was actually thinking about getting one too.
 
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A few years ago, I got a couple of Dell 24" monitors (i forget the model) but there was a TN panel and an IPS panel version. I ordered them on best buys website and opted for in store pickup after I got out of work. I headed over there and thought nothing of it...until i got home.

I plugged in the monitors and started up WoW and my GOD the washed out colors were horrible. I came from an LG IPS panel that died on me (i loved that monitor). I could instantly tell a difference. I looked at the box and sure enough it was a TN panel. I contacted best buy about the error and they were quick to correct it for me. Brought home the IPS panels and fired up WoW and it was litereally night and day difference.

Ill never go TN again.
 

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Ever since I went to IPS I cannot even look at TN panels anymore. The colours on TN look washed out compared to IPS and light bleed on IPS is generally a thing of the past too. The things that you complained about on your IPS panel are more to do with the refresh rate. I am confident that you will fall back in love with a 1440P 144hz panel. I was actually thinking about getting one too.
I noticed how good the image quality was right after the windows booted up on the desktop (I still didn't touch the mouse at that moment), but also I have a cheap IPS monitor since years (Samsung s22e391h..which is technically PLS) and I have never tried a high end IPS monitor..but there shouldn't be much of a difference than my ips, should be?
 
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I noticed how good the image quality was right after the windows booted up on the desktop (I still didn't touch the mouse at that moment), but also I have a cheap IPS monitor since years (Samsung s22e391h..which is technically PLS) and I have never tried a high end IPS monitor..but there shouldn't be much of a difference than my ips, should be?
You are talking about a 1080P panel. 1440P would be the main difference IPS looks absolutely amazing at that resolution, before I went to 4K I had a QNIX 2710 (Korean Samsung B grade panel) 1440P that OC to 120HZ. That was the first time I felt like I was seeing games like how they looked in magazines. Now we also have HDR and other goodies too.
 
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If you value image quality, viewing angles and color range TN just doesn't stack up to IPS. Some VA and PLS versions are a good in-between and some people prefer them to IPS. Best case, get your eyes on them. Second best case, do your research. Brand also doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond warranty coverage these days. Even the little guys are making nice monitors. Other than the wobbly stands, I love my AOC Q3279VWFD8 monitors. 32" 10bit IPS 75hz FreeSync around $220 from Amazon these days.
 
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Kinda long post..read if you got a plenty of time..

For years I heard about TN panels and how terrible the image quality is,before a month I tried a TN panels for the 1st time in action it was Asus vp248h and man the image quality was to the ground, mostly I noticed that texts are so much jagged..but today I tried Asus xg248q at my friend's house and it looks exactly like an IPS panel I couldn't spot a deformity or "unsharp" image, I really didn't expect that, while I really didn't "feel" the 240fps experience, there was no stuttering at all games were very very smooth and I didn't notice the motion blur that I usually see on my 60hz IPS monitor (73 oc) which makes tracking kinda hard and I think it helped me not developing the usual headache that I get when I play for long times (is this a thing or I am just making things up?)

So my point is: are all high end TN panels have good image quality like the Asus xg248q or even better? If yes can you please guys list the best TN panels right now, s I was going to get a new 1440p 144hz IPS monitor but I was afraid of the black light bleed, but now I may reconsider TN panels..idk I am really confused now
Depends on the exact monitors in question, personally I would take a quality IPS over a quality TN. The only person who can answer your question is you. You either like the Asus xg248q over your current model or you don't.
 
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get your eyes on them
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Don't assume all of the same type monitors are alike. And don't assume any monitor is properly calibrated out of the box. In fact, you should probably assume it is not properly calibrated.
 
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^^^This^^^

Don't assume all of the same type monitors are alike. And don't assume any monitor is properly calibrated out of the box. In fact, you should probably assume it is not properly calibrated.
That is an excellent point
 
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If You are willing to give TN a chance You should check out the Dell S2719DGF (1440p, 155hz, Freesync). I was in a same boat as You, had a Dell 60hz IPS, wanted to upgrade, but I had concerns about backlight bleed, ghosting, IPS glow, and IPS/VA monitors with these specs are a lot more expensive. So I've been using this monitor for about 6 months and I'm really happy with it.

The colors are not as good as on my old IPS monitor, but they are pretty good, especially when you are sitting right in front of it, a lot better then some people would expect from a TN, viewing angles are also decent side to side, bad up/down, and gaming is superb.

Here's a link for a comprehensive review from PC Monitors if You are interested, they put it on their recommended list.
 
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No.

TN is cheap and has inherent drawbacks. They haven't changed. Good TN was always available and yes it trickled down the stack a bit, but that is all.
 
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Kinda long post..read if you got a plenty of time..

For years I heard about TN panels and how terrible the image quality is,before a month I tried a TN panels for the 1st time in action it was Asus vp248h and man the image quality was to the ground, mostly I noticed that texts are so much jagged..but today I tried Asus xg248q at my friend's house and it looks exactly like an IPS panel I couldn't spot a deformity or "unsharp" image, I really didn't expect that, while I really didn't "feel" the 240fps experience, there was no stuttering at all games were very very smooth and I didn't notice the motion blur that I usually see on my 60hz IPS monitor (73 oc) which makes tracking kinda hard and I think it helped me not developing the usual headache that I get when I play for long times (is this a thing or I am just making things up?)

So my point is: are all high end TN panels have good image quality like the Asus xg248q or even better? If yes can you please guys list the best TN panels right now, s I was going to get a new 1440p 144hz IPS monitor but I was afraid of the black light bleed, but now I may reconsider TN panels..idk I am really confused now
While TN panels have become a much better product, their main advantage is speed. They have really high signal response and pixel refresh rates. Color reproduction has greatly improved in the last few years but is still not on par with IPS. Viewing angles have also improved. If gaming is your primary focus, a TN based panel will serve you best. If you are going to be doing a lot of content creation/viewing and other non-gaming tasks, an IPS panel will serve you best.
 
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No.

TN is cheap and has inherent drawbacks. They haven't changed. Good TN was always available and yes it trickled down the stack a bit, but that is all.
It's not all things to all people, and every panel type has some drawbacks. For gaming it works great.
 
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It's not all things to all people, and every panel type has some drawbacks. For gaming it works great.
Sure! But the question was if it matches IPS and it does not. It gives you a very minor input lag advantage and you get so-so color accuracy, and contrast shift under an angle. Whether that is worth it over IPS, is up to you indeed. But it IS inferior technology compared to all the other panel types out there - except E-Ink I suppose.
 

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Well my next monitor will be mostly gaming with some youtubing and movies to a degree, but my main concern is how games will run/look good..if anyone knows those high end high refresh rate IPS monitors (i.e pg279q) got the same "smooth" feeling vs high end TN panels? Also what's about the "blur" since IPS pixel response times are higher than TN panels right?
 
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Well my next monitor will be mostly gaming with some youtubing and movies to a degree, but my main concern is how games will run/look good..if anyone knows those high end high refresh rate IPS monitors (i.e pg279q) got the same "smooth" feeling vs high end TN panels? Also what's about the "blur" since IPS pixel response times are higher than TN panels right?
Smoothness = stable FPS and a display that refreshes in sync. That can also be at 60fps, you'd be surprised. So really, this is mostly up to your PC and not the monitor.

Motion blur is hard to defeat, high refresh won't be your only/biggest help there. Unless you run all your games at a steady 240fps on a 240hz panel, which I strongly doubt, your next best bet is a strobing backlight. It works miracles even at lower fps/refresh, 120 is sufficient.

Example

Light boost / Turbo240 / ULMB are strobe techniques - twice the result in clarity compared to a 240hz panel. It relates to how our eyes work, as well. By inserting a black frame, we perceive a new image as a separate one.

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Good IPS at high refresh is pretty costly. Another option to consider might be VA. I do fancy it a lot - it matches IPS colors (sometimes needs calibration though) and viewing angles are much better than TN but there is a very minor tone shift on some panels - only noticeable if you really look for it. VA's advantage is that it has at least 3x better static contrast than either TN or IPS, which makes the image 'pop' a lot more. Comparable to TVs (Many HDTVs are VA). High refresh VA is often a bit less expensive as well than IPS. Main disadvantage: it can suffer from a few weak G2G response times on (usually) the darker shades of gray and brown. This looks a bit like a 'smearing' effect. I consider it bearable, others do not, it also gets reduced (nearly vanishes) when the panel is warmed up.

In my view, a VA panel with strobe is the ultimate gaming solution. If you are all about competitive shooters, TN can still be preferable, but a lot of that 'speed' is placebo these days. VA is as fast as IPS can be which is more than sufficient.
 
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There is not many high refreshrate ips displays, recently gigabyte released few, worth checking out.
 
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^^^This^^^

Don't assume all of the same type monitors are alike. And don't assume any monitor is properly calibrated out of the box. In fact, you should probably assume it is not properly calibrated.
You can't calibrate the bad viewing angles out of a TN display. The color reproduction has come a long way but as far as most people are concerned if a picture looks odd or the colors are off from being a few degrees off center the image quality isn't very good! I do agree you can assume nothing, particularly with technology but TN hasn't changed enough to fix its most fundamental flaw quite yet.
 

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I went from a 144hz IPS (ASUS MG279Q) to a Quantum Dot VA (Samsung CGH70) and I’m really missing my IPS. The VA has absolutely horrible backlight bleed, very disappointing.
 
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I went from a 144hz IPS (ASUS MG279Q) to a Quantum Dot VA (Samsung CGH70) and I’m really missing my IPS. The VA has absolutely horrible backlight bleed, very disappointing.
Haven't noticed any backlight bleed on my Samsung Quantum Dot VA C27H711. All I see are true blacks or black screen without any bleed through.

Edit: I moved from a IPS panel with backlight glow in the lower left/right, and top left corner.
 
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I went from an old Alien-ware AW2210 TN 22" 60Hz CCFL back lit monitor to an Viewsonic VX2457MHD 24" VA 75Hz Freesync LED back lit monitor and the difference is night and day I would have liked to have gone high refresh rate IPS but all the good ones are totally over priced here in Gougeland (NZ)
 
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Case Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS)
Audio Device(s) On-board dead - Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx
Power Supply EVGA 850 BQ
Mouse SteelSeries Rival 310
Keyboard Logitech G G413 Silver
Software Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v1903
E-Ink panels are a joy to read from. That is their main appeal and it's a wonderful panel type for that purpose.
I've always wanted to see a large e-ink display in person besides the Amazon Kindle
 
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