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ASUS Announces its Mainline Z87 Classic Series, with a New Look

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Even though I personally don't like the colour scheme, I do appreciate what they're doing. Black/blue Black/red and even some Black/green has been done countless times. They're switching it up.

As long as they perform like monsters, who cares about the way they look.
 

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Playing with an 1150 ES yet? :pimp:
 
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When you install your ram and graphics card etc, you're not going to see the yellow anyway except on the sata ports.
 

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@cadaveca can you confirm or deny if the chipset has 6 or 8 SATA ports native? Or only when NDA is lifted?
Sorry, I've already posted what little I could.

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Sorry, I've already posted what little I could.

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Can't wait for your review. From the looks of it the "plus " isn't really worth it over the "a". You get 1-2 more 4pin fan headers, 2more SATA ports, and some fancy pants OC button.
 
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Sorry, I've already posted what little I could.

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Can you at list correct the text in the article? The Z87-A has only 6 sata ports NOT 10, and the Z87-PLUS has only 8 NOT 12 internal sata ports. At list in the picture the are missing 4 sata ports for this two models. Or am i wrong :confused:
 
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Those motherboards reminds me this board :



ASUS became AECS?
 
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Im going to get Deluxe, any news on pricing yet? I hope its not gonna be more then 230€.


I don't mind the colours, its not like I will look the mobo all day long and my pc case is under the table ;)
 
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I see a PLX Chip on the Deluxe, although I can't make out the IC's numbers so I don't know which KIND of PLX chip it is...

Still, it would make sense to me to include one, as the Asus Deluxe and Premium variants almost always support more-than-2-way X-Fire/SLI (and I don't mean X8/X4/X4 because that's kinda pointless). I would expect them to at least offer x16/x16 or x16/x8/x8 or even x8/x8/x8 via PLX, and then reserve 4-Way with either full x16 or with 16x/x8/x16 3-way + x16/x8/x8/x8 4-way multi-GPU setups.

Power delivery looks good, especially on the higher-end "mainstream" boards. They seem to still be using the same VRM/Phase layout that they began en-mass with the Rampage IV Extreme, and as I know how well it works on that board with a CPU that's nearing the 300W mark, I imagine it'll work extremely well with CPU's that draw ~35-45% the power.

I do wish we would start seeing MORE phases for the RAM and PCI-Express, as currently we're pretty well set with CPU Phases (owning a GA-Z77X-UP7 with its 32-phase CPU VRM's that don't get more than warm to the touch even with all the switching frequencies cranked, and my 3770K @ 5.2Ghz with 1.3525v, ~1.2125v for VTT/VCCSA, as well as ~1.7425v vDIMM for 2x4GB G.Skill Trident-X 2400 9-11-11 @ 2740 10-12-10-31 1T, and an MSI G680 Lightning w unlocked voltages running 1438core/7568mem with +195 Power Percent, +84mV Core, +10mV VRAM, +10mV Aux Voltage).
The reason I say this is because with X79, for example, some of us are hesitant to run 8x DIMM's due to the negative effects it has on overclocking, while others have a difficult time overclocking their memory past 2133 or even 1866. I realize that a lot comes down to the chips' IMC, but it's practically a "rule" that Cleaner Voltage/Power Deliver = Less Total Voltage Required and Less Excess Heat due to more efficient regulation.

A real easy example of this is hooking something up to a wall socket directly vs using a top-notch Surge Suppressor with Voltage Regulation and EMI/RFI filtration such as the Tripp-Lite ISOBar Ultra series (which also have isolated filter banks, huge capacitors, and don't use MOV's for anything except secondary, sacrificial volt-stoppers so they can be blown but the unit is still perfectly fine). I run these exclusively, and don't trust any other "surge suppressor" unit after having had the transformer box in my front yard suffer a direct lightning strike; my entire home theater, 6 PC's, family room TV/surround sound, etc were all hooked up to ISOBar 4/6/8/12 Ultra's or the ISOBar Home Theater version (which has angled outlets and 2x Cable + 3x/ea Ethernet and Phone to ensure all connections going into any of the electronics have a common ground). I lost 2 of the ISOBar units, but didn't have a single damaged piece of equipment, which is good because I know that my insurance wouldn't pay for all of the high-end audio gear I've got (Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor speakers, McIntosh Amps, etc) or my gaming/benching or workstation (audio editing/mixing) computers.
Anyway, I simply used some Kill-A-Watt meters and measured one of my receivers ( ) while playing the same WAV song file that is 5:42s long and 239MB in size and about 750KB/sec (a Sigur Ros song), from my HTPC* at the same exact settings/volumes through the same amplifier (one of my McIntosh MC452 2ch 450W-per-Channel amps, also tried with one of my Audio Research DS450 2ch 450W/ch Amps with the same results) and with the same speakers (Sonus Faber Cremona Amati Anniversary Limited-Edition/Hand-Made Italian Floor-standing Speakers, also tried with B&W Signature 805's, Sonus Faber Cremona Auditors/Auditor M's and the floor-standing Cremona's).
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(McIntosh MC452 450Wx2 Amp + Sonus Faber Amati Anniversary Speakers)
WALL PLUG = 1203Watts
ISOBar4Ultra = 1148Watts from Wall, 1031Watts from IsoBar4Ultra-to-Receiver (KaW attached to both the wall and another to the Isobar4 between it and the receiver plug)

That's far from conclusive, and I know it's not the same thing at all as what goes on in a motherboard's conversion process for power, but it still would make sense that "clean in = cleaner out".

I hooked up the EZ_Plug2 on my RIVE (the 4-Pin FDD Power Plug), which is advertised for use with 8x DIMM's, and found that my memory was stable with lower voltage AND LLC settings at any given overclock.... and that I could tighten timings further than I could previously at any given speed, i.e. from DDR3-2248 9-11-10-28 1T to DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T, or from DDR3-2496 10-12-11-30 1T to DDR3-2496 9-11-10-29 1T.
The same goes for the EZ_Plug1, which is a 6-Pin PCI-Express Power Plug on the board for additional voltage to the PCI-e bus, advertised as only being used when 4 or maybe 3 GPU's are running in SLI/CF-X. While I just have one card in the rig ATM, I plugged it in and found that my 670FTW 2GB, which was at 1348core/7362mem, would go to 1401core/7454mem with no other changes (both are with the voltage at 1.218v).

That tells me that additional 12V power inputs, other than the standard ATX 24pin and 4-/8-pin EPS plugs would likely be of quite some benefit to those of us running fast memory and/or high GPU clocks.
What if all boards had a 24pin ATX + 2x 8pin EPS *AND* 2x PCI-e 6-/8-pin Power Plugs or 4x SATA 12V Power plugs on them, with the PCI-e/SATA Power being sent directly to the RAM, PCI-Express Lanes, and onboard chipsets such as the SATA/USB controllers and LAN chips?
What if my board had 8 RAM Power Phases instead of 2? Or what if it had 4 or even 8 PCI-Express power phases?

Would that not result in far more even power distribution, prevent overloading of any single circuit, and also supply the cleanest possible power with the least possible voltage fluctuation/ripple?

Why don't motherboard manufacturers do this????





*("HTPC" isn't the correct term really, it's more like a "temporarily retired benching rig that I threw a RAID card/array, TV-Tuner/Capture, and Sound Card all into until I build yet another test bench"-machine... So a Temporary Media Server/PC... It consists of: CaseLabs SM8 with every upgrade for the main housing, Core i7 990X @ 4.64Ghz w Apogee HD CPU Block + Gigabyte X58A-OC w Full-Board Block + 24GB DDR3-2280 7-9-8-21 1T Corsair Dominator GTX w 2x Bitspower 3-DIMM RAM Blocks + MSI GTX580 Lightning Extreme 3GB @ 1190c/4850mem w Bitspower FC GPU Block & Backplate + 4xLive-Stream TV Tuner/Recorder Card w 4k2k/8bit-Color/1080p60 Video and 192Khz/48bit/11channel Audio support and is able to record 4x 1080p30/1080p24 streams simultaneously while a fifth is being watched + HT Omega Claro Halo XT Sound Card Feeding to the Receiver + Crucial M4 512GB SSD for OS/Boot/Programs + SAS9281-24i HW RAID Card w 4GB DDR3 Cache and Battery Backup, 4x4TB WD RE in RAID10, 8x Seagate 7200.14 3TB in RAID6, and 5x WD10EZEX in RAID0 + Intel PCI-e x4 10GbEth HW NIC w Dual Ports, HWLabs Black Ice SR1 560 with 8x Bgears Blasters P-P in a custom Rad Stand + Watercool MO-RA3 1260 Pro with 18x 140mm Bgears Blasters P-P and 18x 20mm Shrouds and Watercool MO-RA3 HexxMesh Rad Grills on both sides and the feet on the bottom + Phobya G-Changer 1080x60mm Rad with 18x Koolance FAN-12038HBK 120x38mm 2600rpm/117cfm/6.4mmH2O Fans P-P and 18x 20mm Shrouds in the Phobya 3x360 Rad Box, 2x Swiftech MCP35X2 dual-pumps with heatsinks, 3x Bitspower 500mL Multi-Z Tank Reservoirs + 1x 250mL BP Res, 1/2x3/4 tubing, ~55x Bitspower Fittings/Comps)
 
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Wow. And I thought my posts were long-winded... :p :)

Anyway, since RAM uses the 3.3V rail, and most enthusiast RAM operates at 1.65V, you get around 50% duty cycle, which is where the buck converter (actually, it's MOSFETs) is the most efficient. CPU VRM has it tough, it goes from 12 to 1.2V, or 10% duty cycle, which coupled with high amperage means more heat dissipation.

The difference isn't exactly astronomical, but the best CPU VRMs reach around 92-94% efficiency peak, while the same efficiency level is typical for RAM VRMs (peaking as high as 97%). More phases would only make sense if every MOSFET used was to put out > 50% of it's rated drain current. Since in most cases the FETs are rated at 40A continuous, it is a rare case indeed.

All this makes it economically questionable to put more than 2-3 RAM VRM phases, even for the most "extreme" boards out there.
 
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#38
imo 16VRM looks plenty on Deluxe


btw it doesnt look that bad at all


Also Deluxe has some fancy VRM - gold ones, vs pro just average :)
 
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The first 3 images look like they have a brown PCB. Pass.

My current theme is black and blue. I'll go with Gigabyte or MSI if i have to to keep my black/blue theme alive.
 
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The first 3 images look like they have a brown PCB. Pass.

My current theme is black and blue. I'll go with Gigabyte or MSI if i have to to keep my black/blue theme alive.
You'd pass on a motherboard simply because of the colors?
 

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You'd pass on a motherboard simply because of the colors?
When you have nearly 100's of board options, with all brands included, why not? Rather than restrict by brand, you CAN restrict your choice by color alone instead. Either way, you limit your options in some way. I remain impressed at how each brand still manages to find a unique touch to call their own, actually.
 

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