I'm warning everyone in this thread to play nice or I'll start handing out infractions. On a side note I think this is a fantastic card at a great price. If I was in need of a new card and could afford it I would buy this card. Oh and once the new cards came in, I would upgrade. That's what enthusiasts do. This is like fighting about the weather.. There's nothing you can do about it. I for one think it's great company's push there tech.