• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

ASUS EAH 5830 DirectCu 1024 MB

Joined
Jun 17, 2009
Messages
92 (0.03/day)
Likes
16
Location
Tokyo Japan
System Name kumiko
Processor AMD PhenomII 720 (OC 3.32ghz)
Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM
Cooling Zalman CNPS8700 LED
Memory 4GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12
Video Card(s) MSI R4890 cyclone OC, Sparkle GTS250
Storage Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB
Case Silverstone SG03 SFF
Power Supply Zumax ZU-550Z
Software Windows7 rc1, MirrorsEdge
#26
wow I think the 5830 shows how high the defect rate (and how bad the yields) are with the TSMC 40nm process. They almost had to disable half of the chip to get the 5830 (30% of the shaders are disabled and 50% of the ROPs). The 55nm 4830 only needed to disable 20% of the shaders (640/800) and 20% of the ROPs (32/40).

It just looks like the price/performance ratio of the 40nm parts is no where near what the 55nm process could deliver. I am just really glad I bought my 4890 when I did. Looking more and more like I will completely skip the 40nm generation. Lets hope the 28nm generation in 2011 is better.


RV870/cypress die image. The ROPs are at the bottom.
Compare to cartoon image shows how much die space the ROPs take up

ps: I don't know why no one has ever brought this up, but ATI never released an official die shot of cypress, and the leaked one (above) actually has 2x16x16x5 shaders (2560sp, note the 16 rows on each side of 4x4 blocks) not the 2x10x16x5 as in the official block diagram. It is highly possible that even 5870 (1600sp) is a partially disabled cypress.
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 21, 2008
Messages
4,091 (1.12/day)
Likes
766
Location
Iowa, USA
System Name FUTURE CUBE!
Processor intel Core i5 6600k
Motherboard Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 7
Cooling Phanteks PH-TC14PE BK
Memory G.Skill TridentZ 3000 Mhz C15 32GB 2x16GB
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Aorus 1080 Ti
Storage 2x M.2 Samsung Evo 250GB/500GB / WD Blue 500GB / 2x RAID1 Toshiba P300 3TB
Display(s) Samsung C24FG70 1080p 144hz Quantum Dot/ASUS VH226H 1080p 21.5"
Case "THE CUBE" Custom built, pure Red Alder wood
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Core3D/ Logitech Z-2300 200 watts/ Beyerdynamic DT 880
Power Supply Seasonic X Gold 650W
Mouse Logitech G700
Keyboard Logitech G910
Software Windows 10 Pro
#27
Dang that card sucks, im still wandering how can a card be so much slower than a 5850 and use more watts? it may not be by alot but something slower should use less watts, ima stay with my 2x 4850 for sometime. Great Review as always Wizz
 

Paulieg

The Mad Moderator
Joined
Feb 19, 2007
Messages
11,960 (2.91/day)
Likes
2,846
Location
Wherever I can find the iron.
Processor Haswell i7 4770K
Motherboard Gigabyte z79 UD5H Black Edition
Cooling Cryorig R1 Ultimate
Memory Gskill Trident DDR3 2400
Video Card(s) Asus 7970 Direct CU II
Storage Kingston Hyper Fury 240 SSD/ WD Black 640GB
Case Fractal Design R5
Power Supply XFX 650w
Software Win 7/Win 10 Tech preview
#28
I actually think it's a good business move to keep a performance gap between the 5830 and 5870/5850. When you start producing gap cards that are too close to the high end, you end up crippling your higher end card sales. We might not like it as consumers, but it's smart.
 
Joined
May 19, 2007
Messages
7,662 (1.90/day)
Likes
536
Location
c:\programs\kitteh.exe
Processor C2Q6600 @ 1.6 GHz
Motherboard Anus PQ5
Cooling ACFPro
Memory GEiL2 x 1 GB PC2 6400
Video Card(s) MSi 4830 (RIP)
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320 GB Perpendicular Recording
Display(s) Dell 17'
Case El Cheepo
Audio Device(s) 7.1 Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software MCE2K5
#29
but for that price paulie?
 

Paulieg

The Mad Moderator
Joined
Feb 19, 2007
Messages
11,960 (2.91/day)
Likes
2,846
Location
Wherever I can find the iron.
Processor Haswell i7 4770K
Motherboard Gigabyte z79 UD5H Black Edition
Cooling Cryorig R1 Ultimate
Memory Gskill Trident DDR3 2400
Video Card(s) Asus 7970 Direct CU II
Storage Kingston Hyper Fury 240 SSD/ WD Black 640GB
Case Fractal Design R5
Power Supply XFX 650w
Software Win 7/Win 10 Tech preview
#30
Joined
May 19, 2007
Messages
7,662 (1.90/day)
Likes
536
Location
c:\programs\kitteh.exe
Processor C2Q6600 @ 1.6 GHz
Motherboard Anus PQ5
Cooling ACFPro
Memory GEiL2 x 1 GB PC2 6400
Video Card(s) MSi 4830 (RIP)
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320 GB Perpendicular Recording
Display(s) Dell 17'
Case El Cheepo
Audio Device(s) 7.1 Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX750
Software MCE2K5
#31
i was waiting for this to come and drive 5850 prices down, now it seems as iif its going to do the opposite
 
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
5,822 (1.49/day)
Likes
619
Processor Core I7 3770K@4.3Ghz
Motherboard AsRock Z77 Extreme
Cooling Cooler Master Seidon 120M
Memory 12Gb G.Skill Sniper
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1070
Storage Sandisk SSD + 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200
Display(s) IPS Asus 26inch
Case Antec 300
Audio Device(s) Xonar DG
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 650 G2
Software Windows 10/Windows 7
#32
I like the way it looks, i won't buy it but it looks nice.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Apr 17, 2008
Messages
3,921 (1.06/day)
Likes
892
Location
West Chester, OH
#33
5770 with a nice a overclock is a much better value IMO. As for people who keep comparing it to a 4890, 5770's are equal with 4890's IMO. I really don't see any reason to compare it to a 4890 (either the 5770 or 5830) because the 4890 is EOL and if you can find one new its going to cost you $200. If you can find one used, great, but comparing the 5770/58xx it to last gen cards is irrelavent and the pro's on the 5770/58xx series cards far outweigh the 48xx series cards. Less power, DX11, etc., etc.

The 5830 should cost $199, $229 is too much. Just spend the extra $70 and get a 5850. For a sub $200 card, the 5770 is THE best card without a doubt. You can get a 5770 for $145 now. So for $300 you can have 5870 performance.
 
Joined
Jun 17, 2009
Messages
92 (0.03/day)
Likes
16
Location
Tokyo Japan
System Name kumiko
Processor AMD PhenomII 720 (OC 3.32ghz)
Motherboard Asus M3A78-EM
Cooling Zalman CNPS8700 LED
Memory 4GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12
Video Card(s) MSI R4890 cyclone OC, Sparkle GTS250
Storage Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB
Case Silverstone SG03 SFF
Power Supply Zumax ZU-550Z
Software Windows7 rc1, MirrorsEdge
#34
I really don't see any reason to compare it to a 4890 (either the 5770 or 5830) because the 4890 is EOL and if you can find one new its going to cost you $200...
I think the point is more that if someone already owns a 4890 or 4870 or 2x4850 then they need comparison to the 5770, 5830 in order to decide if it is worthwhile to upgrade/change. In this case there is not sufficient performance improvement to justify the change. If one is moving from 46xx or 3xxx series, or building a new system, then I agree with your point. If I was building new, I would probably buy a 5770.
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 12, 2009
Messages
5,167 (1.57/day)
Likes
944
Processor Intel Core i5-3570K
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI
Cooling Corsair A70 (Passive)
Memory Samsung 8GB MV-3V4G3D/US
Storage Samsung PM841 256GB
Display(s) Dell UltraSharp U2412M
Case BitFenix Prodigy (Arctic White)
Power Supply FSP Zen 400 (Fanless)
Software OS X 10.9.1 Mavericks
#36
with a tiny overclock you can have 4890 with lower power consumption and DX11 ! sounds good to me, i set my self at a ~ $200 limit for graphics cards and this pans out quite nice, i think i found my next graphics card :D
Well it should've been faster than a 4890 at stock with lower power consumption than a 5850 and DX11 for $200.
 

Polarman

New Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2008
Messages
1,626 (0.45/day)
Likes
290
Location
Rimouski
System Name Polar's Dragon
Processor AMD Phenom II 975BE
Motherboard MSI 890FXA-GD65 (Bios 18.7)
Cooling Zalman CNPS 9700 Led
Memory Gskill 8GB DDR3-1333 (8,8,8,21)
Video Card(s) MSI HD6870 Hawk
Storage WD Raptor 250 - WD RE4 500GB
Display(s) Samsung T240 (1920 X1200)
Case Silverstone Raven 2
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC892
Power Supply PC Power&Cooling Silencer 750 (Red)
Software Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit + SP1
#37
+1 for 4890.
 
Joined
Jun 16, 2008
Messages
3,167 (0.87/day)
Likes
469
Location
North Chili, NY
System Name Woot!:D
Processor Intel Core i5 4690k
Motherboard AsRock z97 Extreme3
Cooling Stock
Memory 16GB 1333 DDR3
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 780
Storage 240GB Intel SSD 2TB Seagate Barracuda
Display(s) Cintiq 21UX 1600x1200, LG 23" 1920x1080
Case Thermaltake v6
Power Supply EVGA 850 B2
Software Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
#38
im sorry but im not a rich guy like you:ohwell:
That won't change your bill by a quarter in a year's worth of 24/7 use. :laugh:
 
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,493 (5.61/day)
Likes
9,023
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
#39
Glad I got my 5850.
 

MKmods

Case Mod Guru
Joined
Feb 26, 2008
Messages
5,697 (1.52/day)
Likes
1,735
Location
Nevada
System Name Crossflow III
Processor AMD 965 (4.04Ghz)
Motherboard Asus Crosshair III
Cooling Air
Memory 4 gigs Mushkin 7-7-7-20@1T
Video Card(s) single 9800GT
Storage Raptor 150's in Raid0
Display(s) LG Flatron 24"
Case Custom
Audio Device(s) AuzenTech X-Raider W/OP637
Power Supply Custom modded Corsair 750HX
Software Win 7 64/Solaris Utility
Benchmark Scores 3DMark06--21963 so far
#40
The price will drop fast.

atleast to 220.
This looks like a $199 card (the 5770 should be $149 and the 5850 should be $250)

I saw the price at Newegg for the power Color 5830 is $249 reg with $10 off:rolleyes:

I wouldnt mind $239 but I would expect the card closer to the 5850 and less like a 5770.
 
Joined
Jan 12, 2007
Messages
2,276 (0.55/day)
Likes
230
Location
Cairns QLD, Aussie
System Name GaMEr / HTPC
Processor FX8320 4.5ghz so far NB- 2815mhz / X2 255 @ 3.2ghz (Temp till BD)
Motherboard 990FX-UD5 / GA-MA785GPMT-US2H
Cooling XSPC - 240rad 480rad 5 x 120mm out, 6 x 80mm in / H220-edge 1/2" & 2 x 120mm Magma
Memory 4gb PI 6,8,6,18 1T 1706mhz / 4gb Crucial D9's 1400 @ 6,6,6,18,1T
Video Card(s) 3gb HD7950 / Onboard
Storage 2 x 120gb Sandisk ultra plus 2tb WD / 60gb vertex 2 + 2 x 2tb WD Greens
Display(s) 3x24in Dell Ultra (portrait) / NEC 32" FullHD LCD
Case LL PC71A Full tower / Antec fusion black with Imon remote Modded for WC
Audio Device(s) OB / Auzentech cinema 7.1
Power Supply TT 700w TR2 / TT 600w Litepower modded with Noctua S12 fan.
Software 7 Ult / 7 premium x64
#41
so its only 5% faster than a 5770 and uses more powerand costs more. I can match that with a very small oc on my 5770.. The 5830 needed to be at least 10% faster than it is to really fit in anywhere. I know I wouldn't get one.
 

caamsa

New Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2006
Messages
14 (0.00/day)
Likes
0
#42
Is it possible that the drivers for this card are not maximizing its potential?
 

Pix

New Member
Joined
May 18, 2006
Messages
35 (0.01/day)
Likes
7
Location
Manchester, UK
Processor E7200 @ 400 x 9.5 = 3.8Ghz 1.296v
Motherboard Gigabyte P35 DS3L Rev 2.0
Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Memory 6GB Elixir DDR2 800
Video Card(s) Powercolor 5850 1GB @ stock
Storage 1 x 750GB Samsung SATA, 1 x 500GB WD SATA, 1 x Seagate 500GB IDE, 1 x Seagate 320GB external
Display(s) LG Flatron 22" Widescreen
Case Sharkoon cheapass case
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi
Power Supply Corsair VX550 550W
Software Windows XP Professional SP2/Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
#43
Agree totally.

Was a bit worried about getting a 5850 just days before this surfaced, but now it has, I'm happy with what I've got.

Also, I thought this would have 1280 shader processors, but it has 1120 compared to the 5850's 1440, plus it has half the ROPs. It's been gimped way too much.

But Paulie's right, they probably learned that they pretty much killed 4850 sales with the 4830 launch and don't want that happening again.

Either way, looks like I was right to not wait for this one.
 
Joined
Jun 4, 2008
Messages
147 (0.04/day)
Likes
19
Location
US East Coast
Processor i3 530 @ 4.3ghz
Motherboard ASUS P7H55D-M EVO
Cooling Xigmatek 1283 120mm fan
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Video Card(s) XFX 5850 @ 875/1150
Storage WD BLUE 640GB, Hitachi 1 tera
Display(s) Asus VH226 21.5" LCD 1920x1080
Case Antec 200
Audio Device(s) Creative X-fi
Power Supply Antec Neo 650
Software Win 7 64 ultimate
#44
Considering this card doesn't perform all that much faster than 5770 it should be more closer to 5770 prices than 5850. $200 at best.

It doesn't make much sense how it performs compared to 4890 though. It should perform much better than 4890 but it doesn't. I think the problem lies in the ROP. There are 2 rop clusters per memory controller total of 8 ROP. ATI must have taken whole cluster of 4 rop out instead of equalizing taking 2 ROP per cluster. So you get mixed results. In shader heavy games though 5830 is faster than 4890 or 5770.
 

W1zzard

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
17,651 (3.44/day)
Likes
19,178
Processor Core i7-4790K
Memory 16 GB
Video Card(s) GTX 1080
Display(s) 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Software Windows 7
#45
Considering this card doesn't perform all that much faster than 5770 it should be more closer to 5770 prices than 5850. $200 at best.

It doesn't make much sense how it performs compared to 4890 though. It should perform much better than 4890 but it doesn't. I think the problem lies in the ROP. There are 2 rop clusters per memory controller total of 8 ROP. ATI must have taken whole cluster of 4 rop out instead of equalizing taking 2 ROP per cluster. So you get mixed results. In shader heavy games though 5830 is faster than 4890 or 5770.
there are only 8 actual rops units, each being able to do 4 pixels per clock. you can't magically change them to do 2 pixels per clock (at least it doesnt make sense to add extra logic for such a feature). so you are correct that ati disabled 4 rop units instead of disabling the feature set of each rop unit leaving all of them enabled
 
Joined
Feb 24, 2009
Messages
3,468 (1.03/day)
Likes
721
System Name Money Hole
Processor Core i7 970
Motherboard Asus P6T6 WS Revolution
Cooling Noctua UH-D14
Memory 2133Mhz 12GB (3x4GB) Mushkin 998991
Video Card(s) Sapphire Tri-X OC R9 290X
Storage Samsung 1TB 850 Evo
Display(s) 3x Acer KG240A 144hz
Case CM HAF 932
Audio Device(s) ADI (onboard)
Power Supply Enermax Revolution 85+ 1050w
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Windows 10 Professional x64
#46
Considering this card doesn't perform all that much faster than 5770 it should be more closer to 5770 prices than 5850. $200 at best.

It doesn't make much sense how it performs compared to 4890 though. It should perform much better than 4890 but it doesn't. I think the problem lies in the ROP. There are 2 rop clusters per memory controller total of 8 ROP. ATI must have taken whole cluster of 4 rop out instead of equalizing taking 2 ROP per cluster. So you get mixed results. In shader heavy games though 5830 is faster than 4890 or 5770.
The problem lies in the texture units because of somethings that got moved there for DX11 from DX10.1. This is the reason the 5450 is slower than the 4350 given the same exact specs except for DX11.
 
Joined
May 12, 2006
Messages
11,069 (2.52/day)
Likes
1,142
System Name Ball Smacker
Processor Intel I7 3770K 4.3ghz 1.15v 24/7 (9) fans and totally silent ahhh!!!
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth P67 1155 TUF Motherboard with Armor Assist Fan
Cooling Pro Meg 79CF 120mm x2 fans, 200mm front intake fan, 200 mm top fan, 120mm rear fan, 140 mm PSU fan
Memory Adata DDR3 1600 case 9 1.5v Overclocked to DDR3 2400+ Case 11 1.65v
Video Card(s) PowerColors Radeon RX 470 Red Devil Core 1390 Memory 7000 (Overclocked Additon) 4gb
Storage Samsung SSD 750 EVO 500GB /2 x 64Gb Western Digital Black Drives 1TB each 10,000 rpm
Display(s) LG Ultra Wide 21.9 2560 x 1080 2k 29 inch Monitor similar to retina display
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Black Brushed Aluminum and steel case
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster Live 24 bit 7.1
Power Supply Corsair 600 watt
Mouse Logitech M315
Keyboard Microsoft Contour
Software Windows 10 Ultimate 64
#47
so basically this is a 5770 with a 256 bit bus and 200 or so more shaders. It seems to be a tiny bit over priced but still not a bad card when it's overclocked.
 

theorw

New Member
Joined
Jul 5, 2007
Messages
771 (0.19/day)
Likes
49
Location
Athens GREECE
Processor C2D 8400@ 4,05GHz(currently)1,36v
Motherboard DFI LP x48 DK T2RS
Cooling XIGMATEK 1283 w/ bolt-thru kit/SCYTHE Mushashi x2
Memory Crucial BALLISTIX 6400 @900MHz 2,00v
Video Card(s) HD 5770 1040/1400 unlocked/musashi
Storage SG 120GB+WD 160GB
Display(s) 24" FLATRON W2442PA Full HD
Case COOLERMASTER HAF 932
Power Supply Thermaltake PUREPOWER RX 600
Software Vista ultimate SP1
Benchmark Scores VANTAGE:11700 3DMARKO06:18600 FURMARK:9K
#48
so basically this is a 5770 with a 256 bit bus and 200 or so more shaders. It seems to be a tiny bit over priced but still not a bad card when it's overclocked.
U can still grab a 5770 for 140EUR and OC it to 1000 core 99% and good chances of hitting 1030-1050 then 5830 @240EUR as it is sold here is POINTLESS!Grab a 2nd 5770 and u are king up to 1920-1080:toast:
 
Joined
Apr 8, 2009
Messages
2,998 (0.90/day)
Likes
458
Location
vermont
System Name The wifes worst enemy
Processor i5-6600k
Motherboard gigabyte G1 gaming Z170X 6
Cooling water
Memory 16gb G.skill ripjaw DDR4 2400 4X4GB 15-15-15-35-2T
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro R9380-X 4GB
Storage crucial M500 120GB SSD, Pny 256GB SSD, seagate 750GB, seagate 2TB HDD, WD blue 1TB 2.5" HDD
Display(s) 27 inch samsung @ 1080p but capable of much more ;)
Case Corsair AIR 540 Cube Mid tower
Audio Device(s) onboard creative x-fi
Power Supply EVGA GQ1000W MODULAR
Mouse generic for now
Keyboard generic for now
Software gotta love steam, origin etc etc
Benchmark Scores http://hwbot.org/user/philbrown_23/
#49
well was gonna sell my 4890 and grab one but just bought another 4890 instead, lets hope I dont short this one out vlike I did my sapphire
 
Top