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ASUS GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Matrix 11 GB

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#26
This card is pretty pointless and just a marketing/hype ploy.

Water cooling does have some major advantages when it comes to cooling PC components, but this card isn't actually utilizing a single one of them. Cramming a liquid cooling solution on to the actual GPU is a terrible idea. It just add bulk to the card without any benefit in the thermals department. They would have been better off just tossing on a bigger heatsinks and staying with a air cooled solution.

So to expand on the above. The big benefits to water cooling are the ability to control where the heat exits the case or being able to get fresh outside air to the rad. This means you have cooler ambient air which lowers the water temp which lowers all component temps on the loop by an equal amount. You could also choose to have the rad blowing the heat out of the case which means your ambient internal case temps would be lower. This means you are able to have lower temps just by improving the ambient air going over the rads vs air cooling. Another big advantage to liquid cooling is having the ability to add more cooling surface area than is possible with air cooling.

Now after reading the above I hope you see my point. Does this solution reduce ambient air to the component? NO. Does it add more possible surface area? NO. In the end it is just a marketing ploy trying to get people to drop 3-4 hundred more on this card for a 30-50 AIO solution that has no benefit and if anything just decreases the reliability of the card (more points of failure) and gives it a shelf life (liquid evaporates) which is less an issue because you will probably replace this card in the 5 years it takes for that to happen.
 
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#27
There's no magic here. They both use the same PCBs and will likely clock similarly. Look:


This is a margin of error differences.

What people pay for when they buy the MATRIX is pretty much higher clocks out of the box. They are pretty even in cooling. Those 750$ could be used for so many other things at the cost of nothing, its insane.

This has to be the biggest difference in price percent wise, between 2 products that are functionally the same, that i have ever seen in GPUs of the same SKU.
Worse yet the highest overclock on the core is actually on the Zotac AMP which is a reference PCB, so you can save even more and get the same perfromance.
At this point it comes down to silicon lottery more than any PCB design.
 
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With this price tag I'd rather get the EVGA KingPing FTW3 2080Ti.
 
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With this price tag I'd rather get the EVGA KingPing FTW3 2080Ti.
I wouldn't even use a kingpin unless I was going to use LN2. I would go with an EVGA 2080ti FTW3 with a water block. Still cheaper and a much better overall setup.

I mean the only thing better on the matrix is the memory OC, but a 100mhz is nothing when it comes to OC.. these things have been going 800+ on memory on most cards... so that out of the box bump is just fluff.
 
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I’d much rather get the KingPin card too! Much better in my opinion.
 
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Around 10 fps for 700 bucks...good deal. :rolleyes:
 
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Integrating an entire watercooling system on a single card is an impressive technological achievement - a damn shame it doesn't result in better temperature/noise levels.

I seem to remember some years back that there was a pump with no moving parts (and therefore no noise) being developed, anyone else recall that? What happened to it?
 
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Integrating an entire watercooling system on a single card is an impressive technological achievement - a damn shame it doesn't result in better temperature/noise levels.

I seem to remember some years back that there was a pump with no moving parts (and therefore no noise) being developed, anyone else recall that? What happened to it?
LTT had a video 3 weeks ago showing the demo unit of it.
It kind of works.
 
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I'm just wondering, at that price is Asus expecting to sell both cards?
 
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Horrible price.
 
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I'm not impressed by much, but this card is impressive.
Price, not so much.
 
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#39
It kind of works for 2 grand ? Regardless, it's not like the average person interested in these things oozes with rationality when making their purchase.
 
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It kind of works for 2 grand ? Regardless, it's not like the average person interested in these things oozes with rationality when making their purchase.
Blanket statement again...
If someone sells their car or spends their kids' food money on a card like this, yes. But if someone makes $20k a month and just likes to have the most bitchin' gaming system and don't have the time to hunt for components to set up water cooling themselves, it may very well be a rational choice.
 
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Im a bit concerned about the durability of the liquid inside that AIO, i had many AIO for CPU'S and i can confirm that there is something called EVAPORATION that later on use will come and your AIO loose his cooling performance significally after 3-4 years of everyday use. Since they are filled during fabrication they are sealed and is very hard to add new liquid or just re-fill it after some years of use.

GPU's are waaaayy more warmer and operate hot than CPU's so in this card im a bit worried that the cooling capacity will decrease faster than an AIO for CPU's.
 
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Im a bit concerned about the durability of the liquid inside that AIO, i had many AIO for CPU'S and i can confirm that there is something called EVAPORATION that later on use will come and your AIO loose his cooling performance significally after 3-4 years of everyday use. Since they are filled during fabrication they are sealed and is very hard to add new liquid or just re-fill it after some years of use.

GPU's are waaaayy more warmer and operate hot than CPU's so in this card im a bit worried that the cooling capacity will decrease faster than an AIO for CPU's.
Way warmer? They're built from the same material, they are both ideally kept around 50-60C. But it's true GPU will be kept closer to 100% usage more often than CPUs if you game a lot.
 
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Blanket statement again...
If someone sells their car or spends their kids' food money on a card like this, yes. But if someone makes $20k a month and just likes to have the most bitchin' gaming system and don't have the time to hunt for components to set up water cooling themselves, it may very well be a rational choice.
That same person would more than likely be willing to pay someone or order from one of the many sites that build custom machines. So in that scenario there would be better options.

I mean... personally I upgrade every couple of years and hand down my current system... this means I have a lab full of PC's that all can game very well. Anyways, my point is this - I might not make 20k a month, but I do have a very high expendable income and am very firmly making 6 figures. I have twins so I don't even game that much, but I enjoy the build and also want a "bitchin" system. I would never purchase this card, because frankly a ftw3 with a waterblock is much better while even being cheaper. A card that size using a massive heatsinks would perform better.

It just really serves no purpose other than being a gimmick to trick people out of their money.

Way warmer? They're built from the same material, they are both ideally kept around 50-60C. But it's true GPU will be kept closer to 100% usage more often than CPUs if you game a lot.
Ideally maybe, but until 7th gen Intel cpu's were always aimed at cooler than 60c and even now unless stress testing they will stay below 60c even when running at 100%.

A GPU on the other hand normally aims to be around 80c out of the box and most hover in that 75-78 range unless you make a custom fan profile. It has only been recently that this even matter due to boost clocks... even still in most cases you only lose a step of boost which is minimal.
 
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a total waste of money compared to a common or garden variety 2080 TI.. i do wonder who would buy such a thing.. :)

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This card is a pretty cool experiment imo
 
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Not sure the usefulness of that AIO dumping that heat inside the case rather than outside :confused:

I guess that extra money buys you some better components, but mostly easy access to unlocked voltage? Otherwise their Strix card + waterblock would be a miles better option.
 
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Looks like K|NGP|N is clear winner for Turing series.
Matrix is better than Strix but just little.

I was suspicious immediately when I saw design and I even thought they will change something.
And reviews can't give clear view to customers who will keep this card in closed PC case.

Whole point of AIO is to remove hot air out of case.
Heat from overclocked graphic card no matter how if stay in case that's disaster.
Advantage of AIO systems is half to keep temps below 60C, half to remove 90% of heat dissipation from graphic card out of case.
And one fan better deal with VRM temps if push air directly on VRM PCB. That's easy task for one 80-90mm fan.

ASUS should launched Poseidon with full cover waterblock + fins and continue tradition of GTX1080Ti Poseidon.
 
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Looks like K|NGP|N is clear winner for Turing series.
Matrix is better than Strix but just little.

I was suspicious immediately when I saw design and I even thought they will change something.
And reviews can't give clear view to customers who will keep this card in closed PC case.

Whole point of AIO is to remove hot air out of case.
Heat from overclocked graphic card no matter how if stay in case that's disaster.
Advantage of AIO systems is half to keep temps below 60C, half to remove 90% of heat dissipation from graphic card out of case.
And one fan better deal with VRM temps if push air directly on VRM PCB. That's easy task for one 80-90mm fan.

ASUS should launched Poseidon with full cover waterblock + fins and continue tradition of GTX1080Ti Poseidon.
The shame is that if they did this properly with a full cover block and a 240mm rad the temps on the card would be 35-40c max (unless your ambient room temp is really high)

For example I have a 1080ti atm in my 8700m rig and with custom water it stays in the 28-32c range under full load... when I was using it for folding it would sit at 30c and CPU at 100% was at 48c.

So this solution is just pointless. It is like those water tower coolers. There is no benefit to it unless you get the benefit from more surface area or the thermal benefits of having it as intake/exhaust. Now if they had some g1/4 ports in there so you could easily add it to a custom loop and then it used it's own cooling solution when not part of one that would be much better. Hell of the pump was a decent ddc pump it could provide some redundancy to a custom loop.
 
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Not only that, cleaning of Matrix will be hell.
Cleaning of radiator should be done max on 6 months in extremely clean environment.
Apartments, city, without dust, smoking, etc...

They need to move backplate, to uncrew block and than to clean radiator and every time to install new thermal paste.
Cleaning of K|NG|N could be done even with card installed on motherboard, without removing out of PC.
 
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