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This is extremely personal. I absolutely don't care about my car's colour, I actually got what they had on hand, I don't like waiting. I always wondered, and I'm not trying to be critical or anything, do people spend time looking at their computer in awe for hours? The fans on my GPU can be green and pink for all I care, as long as they're quiet and keep temperatures low. For me it's always about performance when it comes to hardware, I have a wife for aesthetic value.
Well, it's not that I'm actively spending time looking at my computer, but if something looks exceptionally nice or exceptionally ugly, I can't help noticing. I see it and my eyes wander there. We're human beings, we attach aesthetic value to everything. But everyone's different, I guess. :)
 
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I personally think Noctua's tan/brown coloring is pretty, though to each their own.
I won't be purchasing one of these cards though unless NVidia/ASUS re-releases Kepler cards.
 
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None of my noctua fans look like that nor any others I've ever bought
I'd return any fan or gpu that looked that piss poorly assembled.

You went through a lot to condone the lazy manufacturing though kudos for the effort lol
Condone? I just said that that's what the NF-A12x25 looks like, that it's a look shared with several other high end fans, and that it thus likely has an engineering reason behind it. I'm well aware that the only other Noctua fan sharing that look is the NF-A12x15, though I'm expecting their upcoming 140mm fan to share that design too. You can like it or not, but saying it looks poorly assembled... doesn't make sense to me. How? The lack of plastic covering the lock ring on the axle doesn't affect my perception of its build quality at least. You're welcome to argue for how and why it does if you disagree. Aesthetically I definitely prefer it having something adding some visual interest there rather than just an expanse of plastic, but that's just my taste, so whatever.
Even asus which are the highest priced gpu's doesn't have this bad of quality control.
Care to elaborate on that? What here is indicative of bad quality control? I'm all for critical discussion of products, but this just doesn't ring true whatsoever to me. The design is kind of ridiculous, and the shroud is a bit simple, but... meh. Certainly nothing indicating QC issues (nor du I understand how QC is relevant for a render).
 
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You mean serviceable GPU fans that are easy to replace and perform better?

Wow, what a terrible idea.
 
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Hi,
None of my noctua fans look like that nor any others I've ever bought
I'd return any fan or gpu that looked that piss poorly assembled.

You went through a lot to condone the lazy manufacturing though kudos for the effort lol
That just means you're used to buying and seeing cheap fans with plastic hubs.

Steel hubs are rare, you see them more in the server world where a single fan can cost $100.
 
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From the looks of things, about a third of the airflow do not even reach the heatsink. Also, a lot of the heatsink probably gets no airflow. Genius. Guess what happens if all the airflow from some Noctuas are forced through the entire heatsink? (spoiler: I know what happens)

If you live in proximity of Oslo Norway, or is willing to pay for shipping your card round-trip to me, I will be happy to make a you a free 3D-printed duct for your GFX. I will then sell copies of that duct, or license it for printing for 3$ a copy.

Using 120 A25, expect about 700rpm for a rx 6600 xt. Using stock D15 fans, expect 450rpm for a rx 6600 xt. That gives you about the same temps, as a stock MSI gaming X rx 6600 xt @1400rpm. Just be warned, as we all know by now, the stock D15 fan has a faint low frequency hum to it. Using the 120 a25, you will get all that wonderful VRM noise, as VRM noise will completely dwarf the fan noise, but at least for my current copy, it is really not that bad at all. Best GFX VRM I have ever had, and I have had a few low noise setups by now.

In case you missed it. Using two 140mm noctua fans, I cool my MSI Gaming X rx 6600xt @ about 450rpm vs stock @ about 1400rpm. But you will not get anywhere near that, with the duct used in the article images.

If you want RGB, lets just say that this is the better disco. You can pick any RGB fan you want, and almost any 14cm RGB fan and most 12cm RGB fan, will outperform a stock fan on noise.

I sort of have no fan noise issue anymore, as my PSU runs semi passive, and my case is a custom design without any case fans. Funny what some pieces of plastics can do, if you know what you are doing. Going live with this shortly.
D15 fan hum is a known issue above a certain RPM, it's a design flaw.

The circular stepped inlet design is broken up due to the two flat sides, and that's what's cauing the hum.

The A12x25s have a full circle, the new upcoming 140 fans should have this as well.
 
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Finally a card where fans should live longer. Maybe they should have used A12x15 to make it a 3-slot card.
 
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Finally a card where fans should live longer. Maybe they should have used A12x15 to make it a 3-slot card.
Yeah, those would still have outperformed every gpu fan on the market, so that would have been nice. Though I guess this will make some people's cases look less ridiculously empty :p
 
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I was just about to comment on my rig.

They stole my (and everyone else's) "design"! :D
More like they "stooled" it with that brown color. Looks like Mr. Hanky went on one of his poopscapades with a graphics card. :laugh:
 
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D15 fan hum is a known issue above a certain RPM, it's a design flaw.

The circular stepped inlet design is broken up due to the two flat sides, and that's what's cauing the hum.

The A12x25s have a full circle, the new upcoming 140 fans should have this as well.

Not sure that is the sole cause. There is hardly any airflow crossing them "flat sides" on the design I speak of, using these fans. Do you have some sources on these stepped inlets, that could shed some light on the physics of things. Lots of urban legend out there, physics not so much. I do hear a hum, it is very faint, and it is not RPM related, as in, it does not go away by varying the speed.
 
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oh, dog that's fugly (personal opinion overruling ofc and... no i am not only talking about the color...) :wtf:

well .... what's the overpricing rate? 1300ish $$$ .... that would translate in almost 2k where i live ... rofl ... (not that "normal" 3070 are cheaper .... or ... in stock, as a matter of fact )

as much as Noctua product are good, they are a bit like Apple ... thanks to their loyal customer that swear by them, (and the warranty for Noctua, at last they have that going for them) when there is literally hundreds ok ... some concurrent that do just as good or better, mostly in the temperature department rather than noise, for less ... minus the warranty sometime (although i count my heatsink or fan RMA on the ... well thumb of one hand ... )


oh well ... :ohwell:
 
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oh, dog that's fugly (personal opinion overruling ofc and... no i am not only talking about the color...) :wtf:

well .... what's the overpricing rate? 1300ish $$$ .... that would translate in almost 2k where i live ... rofl ... (not that "normal" 3070 are cheaper .... or ... in stock, as a matter of fact )

as much as Noctua product are good, they are a bit like Apple ... thanks to their loyal customer that swear by them, (and the warranty for Noctua, at last they have that going for them) when there is literally hundreds of concurrent that do just as good or better for less ... minus the warranty sometime (although i count my heatsink or fan RMA on the ... well thumb of one hand ... )


oh well ... :ohwell:
There really aren't "hundreds" (or even a handful) of competitors that do what Noctua do. There are some that make good heatsinks, some that make good fans, very few that reach their level with either (Arctic and now Phanteks in fans, Nidec is close but noisier, Thermaltake is close thanks to copying their design, etc; Cryorig, maybe Thermalright and Be Quiet for heatsinks? But very, very few that can deliver both to the same level. Most competitive heatsinks are louder (though not all), some great heatsinks are held back by poor fans, some great fans don't have matching heatsinks to make full use of them (looking at you, Arctic!), etc. Noctua is still ridiculously priced, but for the most part they do deliver more than just a brand.
 
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There really aren't "hundreds" (or even a handful) of competitors that do what Noctua do. There are some that make good heatsinks, some that make good fans, very few that reach their level with either (Arctic and now Phanteks in fans, Nidec is close but noisier, Thermaltake is close thanks to copying their design, etc; Cryorig, maybe Thermalright and Be Quiet for heatsinks? But very, very few that can deliver both to the same level. Most competitive heatsinks are louder (though not all), some great heatsinks are held back by poor fans, some great fans don't have matching heatsinks to make full use of them (looking at you, Arctic!), etc. Noctua is still ridiculously priced, but for the most part they do deliver more than just a brand.
still more than a handful ... rather, ok maybe not hundreds... alright ... Noise hum ... okay (well their Gentle typhoon style fans are Nidec originally )
i can understand their loyal customers tho ... i would too if i did not found alternatives that are silent enough for my environment

well, i confess i care more about C than dB as long as it is under 30dB temp are good and the price is half of what Noctua offer, i am happy
 
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still more than a handful ... rather, ok maybe not hundreds... alright ... Noise hum ... okay (well their Gentle typhoon style fans are Nidec originally )
i can understand their loyal customers tho ... i would too if i did not found alternatives that are silent enough for my environment

well, i confess i care more about C than dB as long as it is under 30dB temp are good and the price is half of what Noctua offer, i am happy
Which is precisely why I'm using Arctic fans :p But you're wrong saying those fans are "Nidec originally" - they resemble gentle typhoons, but outside of some pretty general characteristics they're quite different overall. And GTs certainly weren't the first fans with broad, wide-sweep blades and a steel hub - that's a pretty ordinary server design. They were just first to make a quiet version for consumer use. I don't accept much compromise - I want silence and performance. I tried some Be Quiet SW3s, but they didn't meet my performance needs. Gentle Typhoons were too buzzy/grindy at low rpms. If I hadn't discovered how excellent the Arctic P series is I would likely have gone with Noctua once again.
 
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On topic, never was a fan of the Noctua color scheme. I do have a low profile cooler on my HTPC but it never sees the light of day, lol.
 

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I wish they used the black fans, but oh my lord the cooling and noise on this should be amazing
 
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Which is precisely why I'm using Arctic fans :p But you're wrong saying those fans are "Nidec originally" - they resemble gentle typhoons, but outside of some pretty general characteristics they're quite different overall. And GTs certainly weren't the first fans with broad, wide-sweep blades and a steel hub - that's a pretty ordinary server design. They were just first to make a quiet version for consumer use. I don't accept much compromise - I want silence and performance. I tried some Be Quiet SW3s, but they didn't meet my performance needs. Gentle Typhoons were too buzzy/grindy at low rpms. If I hadn't discovered how excellent the Arctic P series is I would likely have gone with Noctua once again.
well i agree on Arctic as well (patriotic? me? naaaahhh, swiss brand but made in ... well whatever ... they are good.) but well to me the Noctua "Gt's" are from a design that Nidec did popularise indeed and well okay Noctua improved them ... but man, they could have kept it in the Chromax scheme :laugh: (although i am more price centric than color centric ... depend on the use, i could care less for the tanned turd scheme)

although right now i am using a single Cooler Master MF120 HALO White set to white i barely hear them at 1.8k rpm case closed and other fans turned off (although the original Enermax aRGB 120mm bundled with was quite good, it was a bit less good on the lightning, and i want the closest to a cold white rather than "somewhat" warm white :laugh: )

but for the heatsink itself .... i still maintain that all they have is the warranty, all reviews i see place them in the +1/-1C of their direct concurrents nowadays (and noise not much lower, at least all in the "barely audible range" ) and most of them are half the price

if a 60$ 120mm cooler is "only 3C" less than a D15, i call that a win for the other brand (specially since i got it half price of those 60$) well the U12 is cheaper and also same temp result as the D15 in some case but still .... for me the Chromax one is ~90$ :laugh:
noise : D15 U12 34dBA, ETS-T50 120mm 34dBA, the MF120 HALO, well let say they are quieter than a NF-F12 at 1500 rpm by 5dBA, close enough CFM noise at 100% are within 2dBA Noctua 43 Enermax 45 well silent at 100% Noctua are not ... Be quiet, Thermalright and Scythe get them on that with the Dark rock slim, True Spirit and Ninja 5 at 38dBA, while i am okay with ignoring +2/-2, i would not ignore+5/-5 "laugh"

ok, honest, Noctua is good, although not the king (anymore) not the best, they have excellent warranty and customer service (for those who ever need them) ...but the overprice kill the deal, at last for me
 
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well i agree on Arctic as well (patriotic? me? naaaahhh, swiss brand but made in ... well whatever ... they are good.) but well to me the Noctua "Gt's" are from a design that Nidec did popularise indeed and well okay Noctua improved them ... but man, they could have kept it in the Chromax scheme :laugh: (although i am more price centric than color centric ... depend on the use, i could care less for the tanned turd scheme)

although right now i am using a single Cooler Master MF120 HALO White set to white i barely hear them at 1.8k rpm case closed and other fans turned off (although the original Enermax aRGB 120mm bundled with was quite good, it was a bit less good on the lightning, and i want the closest to a cold white rather than "somewhat" warm white :laugh: )

but for the heatsink itself .... i still maintain that all they have is the warranty, all reviews i see place them in the +1/-1C of their direct concurrents nowadays (and noise not much lower, at least all in the "barely audible range" ) and most of them are half the price

if a 60$ 120mm cooler is "only 3C" less than a D15, i call that a win for the other brand (specially since i got it half price of those 60$) well the U12 is cheaper and also same temp result as the D15 in some case but still .... for me the Chromax one is ~90$ :laugh:
noise : D15 U12 34dBA, ETS-T50 120mm 34dBA, the MF120 HALO, well let say they are quieter than a NF-F12 at 1500 rpm by 5dBA, close enough CFM noise at 100% are within 2dBA Noctua 43 Enermax 45 well silent at 100% Noctua are not ... Be quiet, Thermalright and Scythe get them on that with the Dark rock slim, True Spirit and Ninja 5 at 38dBA, while i am okay with ignoring +2/-2, i would not ignore+5/-5 "laugh"

ok, honest, Noctua is good, although not the king (anymore) not the best, they have excellent warranty and customer service (for those who ever need them) ...but the overprice kill the deal, at last for me
That's the thing though: Noctua was early (if not first) with many of what are today standard designs, and they helped move heatpipe-based CPU coolers towards their functional peak. The problem is that once these design conventions are established and in use, they are easily copied and iterated upon, and due to the limitations of phyics there isn't much to improve upon that meaningfully improves thermals. Fans are a bit of the same, though given that fluid dynamics is a lot more complicated than heatpipe-assisted thermal transfer from a source/cold plate to a fin stack, there is more room for differentiation there. That's also the "problem" you point out - there really isn't much differentiation possible when it comes to heatsinks. Soldered or unsoldered pipe-to-fin connections; soldered or pasted bases; aluminium, copper or direct-touch cold plates; infinite minor variations of fin shape, density and layout that ultimately don't vary all that much beyond the main factors of surface area and thermal mass and thus leading to hundreds of heatsinks across the spectrum of possible sizes and shapes, etc. - and thermals (with equally performant fans) being in line with this. That's just physics.

But you point out one important thing: most of Noctua's current designs are quite old. The NF-A12x25 (and to some extent the NF-A12x15) are their only recent fan designs - the rest are nearing a decade old at this point. The same goes for their heatsinks. And Noctua are infamous for slow (and constantly extended) development cycles - the A12x25 was delayed by ... two years, I think? The cromax version of it has been delayed at least twice, as has the 140mm version. This is definitely a point of criticism - letting perfection be the enemy of the good, and all that. This also lets competitors catch up in many ways. Still, it will be really interesting to see how their 140mm design pans out when it arrives (at some point), as there are few good 140mm fans out there (but plenty of okay/decent ones).

Is the argument for Noctua's premium-ness today weaker than five years ago? Obviously, at least for heatsinks. Their fans are still top tier, but heatpipe-based heatsinks are a commodity by now. As for fans, given that they're still mostly relying on older designs that several competitors have caught up to, that is also a weaker point, but their new designs show that they still have something to deliver here. That doesn't take away from other innovative actors in the same space, but neither does it show that Noctua's premium is entirely undeserved. What it does show is that those able to deliver nearly the same at much lower cost and complexity (looking at Arctic once again) deserve even more recognition for doing so.

Also, I don't know where you're taking your dBA or CFM numbers from, but it's important to remember that there are no widely accepted industry standard ways of measuring either, so spec sheet numbers are generally not comparable outside of the same company. If anything, the wide range of well-performing heatsinks with different fans out there shows that these numbers alone are a weak benchmark as well, as they don't tell us anything meaningful about the specific airflow patterns of a specific fan design or how it interacts with the specific mounting and fin/pipe layout of a specific heatsink, etc. Things get complicated fast once you start mixing several variables like that.

When it comes to pricing though ... I definitely prefer buying Arctic P-series fans at €8-10/fan vs. Noctuas at €20-25/fan, but then I would much rather pay €20-25/fan for quiet, well-performing Noctuas (or the new Phanteks ones, if they fit my case) than similarly priced RGB-laden, noisy and poorly performing fans from all kinds of brands at the same price (Corsair, EK to some extent, and heaps and heaps of others). As such, I see no reason to single out Noctua as particularly poor value - but then I don't see fan RGB as a big value add. Other people have other priorities, which is obviously entirely fine - and they can just buy Arctic's RGB fans instead ;)
 
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I think the Noctua original color scheme works quite well on many cpu coolers, but not here though - this looks legit ugly.
 
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That's the thing though: Noctua was early (if not first) with many of what are today standard designs, and they helped move heatpipe-based CPU coolers towards their functional peak. The problem is that once these design conventions are established and in use, they are easily copied and iterated upon, and due to the limitations of phyics there isn't much to improve upon that meaningfully improves thermals. Fans are a bit of the same, though given that fluid dynamics is a lot more complicated than heatpipe-assisted thermal transfer from a source/cold plate to a fin stack, there is more room for differentiation there. That's also the "problem" you point out - there really isn't much differentiation possible when it comes to heatsinks. Soldered or unsoldered pipe-to-fin connections; soldered or pasted bases; aluminium, copper or direct-touch cold plates; infinite minor variations of fin shape, density and layout that ultimately don't vary all that much beyond the main factors of surface area and thermal mass and thus leading to hundreds of heatsinks across the spectrum of possible sizes and shapes, etc. - and thermals (with equally performant fans) being in line with this. That's just physics.

But you point out one important thing: most of Noctua's current designs are quite old. The NF-A12x25 (and to some extent the NF-A12x15) are their only recent fan designs - the rest are nearing a decade old at this point. The same goes for their heatsinks. And Noctua are infamous for slow (and constantly extended) development cycles - the A12x25 was delayed by ... two years, I think? The cromax version of it has been delayed at least twice, as has the 140mm version. This is definitely a point of criticism - letting perfection be the enemy of the good, and all that. This also lets competitors catch up in many ways. Still, it will be really interesting to see how their 140mm design pans out when it arrives (at some point), as there are few good 140mm fans out there (but plenty of okay/decent ones).

Is the argument for Noctua's premium-ness today weaker than five years ago? Obviously, at least for heatsinks. Their fans are still top tier, but heatpipe-based heatsinks are a commodity by now. As for fans, given that they're still mostly relying on older designs that several competitors have caught up to, that is also a weaker point, but their new designs show that they still have something to deliver here. That doesn't take away from other innovative actors in the same space, but neither does it show that Noctua's premium is entirely undeserved. What it does show is that those able to deliver nearly the same at much lower cost and complexity (looking at Arctic once again) deserve even more recognition for doing so.

Also, I don't know where you're taking your dBA or CFM numbers from, but it's important to remember that there are no widely accepted industry standard ways of measuring either, so spec sheet numbers are generally not comparable outside of the same company. If anything, the wide range of well-performing heatsinks with different fans out there shows that these numbers alone are a weak benchmark as well, as they don't tell us anything meaningful about the specific airflow patterns of a specific fan design or how it interacts with the specific mounting and fin/pipe layout of a specific heatsink, etc. Things get complicated fast once you start mixing several variables like that.

When it comes to pricing though ... I definitely prefer buying Arctic P-series fans at €8-10/fan vs. Noctuas at €20-25/fan, but then I would much rather pay €20-25/fan for quiet, well-performing Noctuas (or the new Phanteks ones, if they fit my case) than similarly priced RGB-laden, noisy and poorly performing fans from all kinds of brands at the same price (Corsair, EK to some extent, and heaps and heaps of others). As such, I see no reason to single out Noctua as particularly poor value - but then I don't see fan RGB as a big value add. Other people have other priorities, which is obviously entirely fine - and they can just buy Arctic's RGB fans instead ;)
dBA and CFM come from standardised reviews for fans with same radiator/heatsink used with various fans. (and the value for a D15/U12 vs my ETS-T50/Dark Rock Slim/True Spirit/Ninja 5 come from another review on TPU thus even if the heatsink diverge, the value are still lower for the concurrent, although Be Quiet/Thermalright are almost priced at the same level but not Scythe/Enermax )
Noctua cam first for many things yeah, not the GT's style nonetheless their fans can after the Nidec GT's which came after the "loud" design.
nonetheless i still think Noctua should humble down on the price since, even if they are copied, they are not the top dog anymore.

yet, i really like you for liking Arctic and also mentioning they deserve more recognition, i thank you for that another time :toast:

ps: the aRGB fan i got are just because i like to have a well lighted interior :laugh: and i don't particularly value RGB as big value add (at least i paid my MF120 Halo 14$~ on promotion )
 
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I just use the Redux fans on my deshrouded 3080 but really brown is not that bad, maybe I'm alone in saying that though.
 
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