ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[AnotherReader]

I see a lot of apologists for Nvidia's high pricing. Let's consider the 4070 Ti and the 6800 XT. I picked the 6800 XT, because its die should cost the same even accounting for the node price increases. AMD also has fewer unit sales to amortize their R&D costs, but let's ignore that. The 6800 XT also has more RAM, and still it cost $649 in late 2020.

 

[b1k3rdude]

Three times faster, huh?
View attachment 277487

Indeed, what complete and utter c***s nVidia must think we, their customers are.

Its barely faster than my 3080_12GB, that I paid £610 for, so by the current bullshit metric the card should cost no more than £700, but in actuallity more like £500-600.

As we say in London, jog the f*** on mate.

 

[jsfitz54]

and I'm on holiday in Egypt right now

Have your baksheesh ready!

​

 

[Argyr]

The 80 and 90 are both great cards, seriously. Money aside, they perform fantastic. I'm currently saving for a 4090, yeah I agree the price sucks. But I like that killer performance and I honestly enjoy the eye candy RT brings. I don't understand why everyone hates on the 40 series, aside from price. That's it right? The price? If these cards were all $300-400 less, would people still be angry and trying to burn down the internet over it?

All the youtube folk seem to forget their first reviews of the products. How much generational uplift, the power efficiency. They just jumped on the whiny price bandwagon after that started to trend.

Three card launches now that outperform the 3090/3090ti. It's an expensive product! Yes, we all get it. But to ignore all the actual tech upgrades because of an emotional response to price, is silly.

I'll tell you the cold hard truth. PC nerds were much cooler in the 90's. easy going, happy, not judgemental just enjoying that beautiful decade of simple things. Then internet came, and the old nerds became fathers, left the hobby to some extent and zoomers took their place. Zoomers make up today's PC scene, and they love shiny RGB, tiny keyboards and weeb stuff. Zoomers are extremely loud, whiny, obnoxious, cynical, unhappy and manipulative. It's not entirely their fault, social media created this monster. Growing up in the early 2000's created this monster.

Zoomers love to complain, it's the snowflake effect. Western zoomers don't really know how the economy works, due to horrible education, and their very own disinterest. They maintain semi-communistic views and demand free or cheap shit. I could go on, but this very loud generation was able to change hardware journalism and even the manufacturers themselves, to some extent. They are catering to the snowflake generation, but the only thing they don't give them is cheap or free shit.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

My best guess is that they’d much rather sell fewer cards at higher margins, as they also have to defend the pricing on unsold 3000 cards since the GPU mining bust and recession. I bet they would have rather not launched these cards at all, but the development cycle was already well in motion, hence the naming pivot. They probably would have even launched it as the 4080 12GB and priced it accordingly had the cards still been flying off the shelves.

 

[skates]

And as expected, "editor's choice"

I swear, one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090 and it'd still get an editor's choice. I mean just look at the Asus Strix 4080 review here that got that when it almost costs the same as a FE and AIB base 4090!

Have some damn integrity and call out this current dumpster fire of a gpu market instead of worrying about ruffling some Nvidia and AMD feathers. How come Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, and numerous other sites can call it like it is but here it's always the lame "editor's choice" conclusion? It's bad when even one of the mods here indirectly implies the conclusion is wonky.

Also, why is the 4090 listed at $2400? Pretty much every day there are restocks at the major online sites for the regular prices of the cards. By listing it at $2100, it gives any unsuspecting viewer the impression that somehow they can't ever find one at MSRP and it is horrible value compared to the rest of this gen when in reality it is probably the best "value" of all these overpriced cards. It feels like this is done simply to try and make all these other cards seem like they aren't as overpriced as they actually are.

TPU has great gpu reviews when it comes to the stats/data but the conclusions and "editor's choice" stuff really sucks as it reeks of shilling and I am positive most viewers feel the same as me and The Quim Reaper even if they won't admit it for fear of ruffling some TPU feathers.

Why is having some integrity such a rare thing these days?

I agree completely. This site provides great reviews for data, for example PSU reviews and the data for GPUs is good as well, however that all goes out the window when these GPUs are given highly recommended or editor's choice and makes me wonder the value of the other reviews. Still a great site, but I really wish they would stop shilling and become a valued influencer rather than what they are doing today.

It also outperforms the RTX3080. By about 22%.

Why is nobody using the RTX3080 as a comparison (especially when this was initially being released as a 4080 12GB)? I'll tell you why, because at current pricing it is 30% more expensive for only 22% more performance (less at 4k).

It's incredible that Nvidia are being given a 'get out of jail free card' by some people for what they were going to pull (and initially at $100 more just on product name alone) until they realised they were pushing the profit margins so hard that their bluff was being called. They backed down and effectively sent stickers to the AIB's to make new boxes for the rebadge.

I think the card is fantastic - it consumes less power than my 2080ti and is far superior and quieter. But it's not good value for what it is (and this is not an emotional discussion). Performance is meaningless without price context; arguments to the contrary are delusional. This is Nvidia's 70-class card. It's at a higher price than every single x080 (non ti card). That's not right and Nvidia knows it.

Again, AMD's 7900XT is also crazy priced. There's no defence for that card either.

I agree completely. The power consumption is very good and that is what stood out for me. Like you said, performance is meaningless without price context and yes, this is just not a good value and these reviews are marginalizing the 'value', otherwise they would not be awarded editor's choice.

 

[ARF]

That's exactly how it works: the performance you could buy last year for $1,600, you can buy now for half.

The performance review is fake. Wait some months when next-gen games are launched and this 12 GB VRAM will bottleneck the card, 24 GB is in another league and you have no right to compare oranges to apples.

 

[Pumper]

The performance review is fake. Wait some months when next-gen games are launched and this 12 GB VRAM will bottleneck the card, 24 GB is in another league and you have no right to compare oranges to apples.

No need to wait. The memory is already tanking 4070Ti performance, just look at 1080p vs 4k numbers:
- 1080p 3090Ti 4% slower
- 4k 3090Ti is 10% faster

 

[TheDeeGee]

I see now why the PNY model is cooling so well, ASUS really cheaped out on the actual heatsink, it's surrounded by a truckload of emtpyness and a plastic shell to look beefy.

The PNY card is all heatsink.

 

[Lovec1990]

No need to wait. The memory is already tanking 4070Ti performance, just look at 1080p vs 4k numbers:
- 1080p 3090Ti 4% slower
- 4k 3090Ti is 10% faster

wouldnt direct storage also put strain on memory?

 

[ThrashZone]

That's exactly how it works: the performance you could buy last year for $1,600, you can buy now for half.

Hi,
Miners screwed that system up big time !

20-30 series were both completely over priced by scalpers "30 especially" that bought them all up so 40 series may seem like a great performance/ price deal but it really isn't
Just the poor sells of 4080 at 1200.us is a better measure because 1200.us is a freaking joke

Just because 4070ti FE is 800.us doesn't mean it's a good deal either this is where the 4080 should be with taxes/ 900.us tops for an FE

 

[BSim500]

I'll tell you the cold hard truth. PC nerds were much cooler in the 90's.

Probably because we had actual competition back then (3dfx, ATI, Hercules, Matrox, nVidia, Number Nine, Rendition, Oak, S3, Trident, Tseng Labs, etc), beyond today's mere pretence of being anything other than a duopoly.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Probably because we had actual competition back then (3dfx, ATI, Hercules, Matrox, nVidia, Number Nine, Rendition, Oak, S3, Trident, Tseng Labs, etc), beyond today's mere pretence of being anything other than a duopoly.

To be fair, some of those companies never made a decent GPU for gaming. When 3DFX was bought out, it was a sad day indeed, but I think they did themselves in. I still remember being on the fence between the ATI Rage 32mb or Voodoo 3000 (went with the latter and ran Quake II in glide). My first dedicated GPU was the S3 Virge, which was nicknamed the “decelerator.” Still have fond memories of my Kyro II, which I think was another company NVIDIA gobbled up.

 

[ARF]

No need to wait. The memory is already tanking 4070Ti performance, just look at 1080p vs 4k numbers:
- 1080p 3090Ti 4% slower
- 4k 3090Ti is 10% faster

I want to see an analysis about the image quality to sustain those RTX 4070 Ti FPS numbers. Including a detailed description of what happens on an nvidia driver level

 

[N3M3515]

Compared to 3070 Ti - 40% increase in performance, for 40% increase in price. WTF?

I swear, one of these two companies could release a card for $5k that is 5% faster than the 4090 and it'd still get an editor's choice.

I have come to the conclusion that:
1. Either he does not include price in his calculations for the conclusion(don't know why), or
2. He thinks price is irrelevant, only performance increase matters(even if the increase in price is higher than the increase in performance).

@W1zzard - you make a point saying it is good value considering the state of the market. I think it's clear to most readers that the cost/performance state of the graphics card market shouldn't be supported at all, in which case, it's fair to say that this card is still hugely overpriced

Couldn't have wrote it better.

 

[Why_Me]

decent card priced badly. i also do not understand how these cards eat 300W at 295mm^2 GPU. This means that either the GPU is pushed too high frequency wise or the memory is getting inefficient. Or both. I could bet that this is a 100W GPU at 1500mhz.
I guess, given the rising silicon prices, companies nowadays try to maximize what a small GPU can do, hence run it outside of its efficiency zone, to hit the performance target of an otherwise bigger GPU that runs at slower but more efficient frequencies. This GPU looks like an RTX 4060 class GPU that is OC-ed to hit 4070-4080 class performance with the added downside of higher power consumption.

MSRP for the RTX 3090 Ti is $2000 USD. It's simple math.

 

[N3M3515]

TPU has great gpu reviews when it comes to the stats/data but the conclusions

It's like the number 1 site for that

It's pricy, the cost of everything is high now. Welcome to hyperinflation, enjoy your stay.

Can you show me an example of some other piece of hardware or anything that increased in price +71% gen over gen?
Because inflation is worldwide, but nothing i have seen from cars, to food, to electronics has increased more than 20%

 

[b1k3rdude]

There is no public CP2077 with Overdrive, which seem to benefit greatly from DLSS3.

The point that everone is skilling over is frame generation (FG), is fake performance. And this 'fake performance' only fits its "use case" works when the fps is over the 100hz mark, so in other words on a 4070Ti, 4k & FG isnt an option for most games with RT off let alone with it on.

MSRP for the RTX 3090 Ti is $2000 USD. It's simple math.

Its hasent been at that price for a while now, so its not simple nor correct.

 

[N3M3515]

a GPU that meets the performance of a xx9x tier card for $800 isntead of $1600/2000

The RTX 3070 launched at $500 and was on par with the best of the previous gen rtx 2080 ti.
Now the replacement for that, the rtx 4070 would be behind even the rtx 3090 which was last gen second best, and that's being optimistic.

Do you understand?

 

[Avro Arrow]

This card is actually a considerably better value than the RX 7900 XT. Now, I realise that this is a VERY low bar we're setting but... there is a silver lining to all of this. A lot of people mindlessly reach for nVidia if the price is the same (which is usually a mistake but whatever), let alone when the price is lower (performance be damned in most cases) and nVidia cards are much worse values than their Radeon counterparts 99.99% of the time.

Well, WELCOME TO THE 0.01% OF THE TIME! And to be honest, I'm finding it to be just GLORIOUS! Not because I want nVidia to do well, quite the contrary actually (I do hate that company after all), but because at $800, AMD will have to drop the price of the RX 7900 XT to $700 if they hope to sell ANY of them going forward. Of course, that will push the price of (what I can only assume will be) the RX 7800 XT down to near the $550 that I expected it to be. I estimated that based on the fact that the MSRP of the RX 7900 XTX is $100 below the MSRP of the RX 6950 XT and the MSRP of the RX 7900 XT is $100 below that of the RX 6900 XT. Using that logic, I expected the RX 7800 XT to be $100 below the MSRP of the RX 6800 XT which would be $550. People have to remember that there was a $350 MSRP increase between the RX 6900 XT and the RX 6800 XT. AMD even said (not in so many words) that the RX 6900 XT wasn't worth buying but people bought it anyway because, at the time, any card you could get was worth it.

So, it looks like the RX 7900 XT will fall to $700 and I expect the rest of the lineup to look like this:
RX 7800 XT - $550
RX 7800 - $500
RX 7700 XT - $450
RX 7700 - $400
RX 7600 XT - $350
RX 7600 - $300
RX 7500 XT - $250
RX 7500 - $200

In this new generation, I expect that they'll be at similar performance levels of the previous generation's higher tier but with far less negative impact from RT being turned on. That's not exactly great but it's not exactly terrible either, especially considering that the previous-gen cards of both red and green are still wickedly fast because hardware has outpaced software dramatically. This will mean that the RX 7500 will have similar performance to the RX 6600 and decent 1080p gaming will be attainable for everyone again. I seriously doubt that AMD will repeat the same debacle that was the RX 6500 XT (I still can't understand why they called it an XT) and if there is a level-5 card, it won't be based on a mobile GPU.

Perhaps most importantly, Radeons will have pricing that will be very reminiscent of the RX 5000-series. Sure, the RX 7700 XT will be $50 more than the RX 5700 XT but it's a big step in the right direction and a 12.5% price increase over what will be a near 4-year span with the pandemic and inflation being involved is far more reasonable than what we've been seeing thus far.

 

[N3M3515]

That's exactly how it works: the performance you could buy last year for $1,600, you can buy now for half.

Funny how you don't mention the 3080 that was within 90% of the "$1600 gpu" and launched at $700 LOL, so you could get $1600 worth of performance for $700!! TWO years ago!

Why is nobody using the RTX3080 as a comparison (especially when this was initially being released as a 4080 12GB)? I'll tell you why, because at current pricing it is 30% more expensive for only 22% more performance (less at 4k).

It's incredible that Nvidia are being given a 'get out of jail free card' by some people for what they were going to pull (and initially at $100 more just on product name alone) until they realised they were pushing the profit margins so hard that their bluff was being called. They backed down and effectively sent stickers to the AIB's to make new boxes for the rebadge.

I think the card is fantastic - it consumes less power than my 2080ti and is far superior and quieter. But it's not good value for what it is (and this is not an emotional discussion). Performance is meaningless without price context; arguments to the contrary are delusional. This is Nvidia's 70-class card. It's at a higher price than every single x080 (non ti card). That's not right and Nvidia knows it.

Again, AMD's 7900XT is also crazy priced. There's no defence for that card either.

Spitting facts!

 

[the54thvoid]

MSRP for the RTX 3090 Ti is $2000 USD. It's simple math.

It's actually selective math. Comparing a card with the previous generation is fine but what should be happening is comparing it against the cost of the previous gen of the same model. Halo cards are always ludicrously priced. And Halo cards are always beaten by the next gen's top cards. Using the abnormal price of the 3090ti is unrealistic when the 4070ti should be compared against the 3070ti, or at most, the 3080, both of which were released at a far more reasonable consumer price point.

You want to compare the 3090ti? Then do so against the 4090, in which case, yeah - the halo card is great value against the last gen halo.

 

[heflys20]

I'm not sure why this card performing on the level of the 3090ti is considered some impressive metric. That card always had atrocious price/performance. It was barely faster (at 1080/1440) than some of the competing cards at the time, yet, somehow, about $1000 more. The 4090 looks like a bargain in comparison to $2000 for the 3090ti at one point.

Edit: Nevermind...Others beat me to the point.

 

[Why_Me]

It's actually selective math. Comparing a card with the previous generation is fine but what should be happening is comparing it against the cost of the previous gen of the same model. Halo cards are always ludicrously priced. And Halo cards are always beaten by the next gen's top cards. Using the abnormal price of the 3090ti is unrealistic when the 4070ti should be compared against the 3070ti, or at most, the 3080, both of which were released at a far more reasonable consumer price point.

You want to compare the 3090ti? Then do so against the 4090, in which case, yeah - the halo card is great value against the last gen halo.

Given the choice I'll take the $800 gpu over the $2000 gpu seeing how they run dead even. That saves me $1200. What components can I purchase with $1200 to finish my build.

 

[W1zzard]

Maybe this outrageous pricing and obvious bad reviews that they knew it would come is INTENIONAL.
What if this was planed all along to get rid of old stock, old Nvidia cards never looked so good, the peasants have no choice but to buy older Nvidia cards if they want a good deal.
Good job Nvidia, they are even more devious than Intel, they fu...k you and you don't even know it.

Absolutely, Nvidia partners are almost out of geforce 30, while amd partners are sitting on mountains of rx 6000 cards that are worthless now