ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[Why_Me]

Looking at the gaming graphics most games only match the RTX 3090, but I was told that the classic performance is equivalent to the 3090 Ti? Dishonest Nvidia.

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If you look carefully, it can match the RTX 3090 Ti at 1440p, but barely match the RTX 3090 at 4K. I guess low bandwidth (192 Bit) 4k also degrades performance. But it was the 3090 Ti equivalent.

Who buys a RTX 70 series card for 4K?

 

[N3M3515]

The conclusion pretty much always expresses all the notes good and bad maybe sometimes "he" should show more drama on the bad

That's not the point, IF he knows the huge price increase compared to previuos gen and still gives it an editors choice, the message he is sending to everyone that reads his review is that price does not matter and that you should pay whatever prices nvidia or amd put on their products as long as they offer higher performance than last gen. One can make the assumption that he implicitly support the price hikes, without saying.
Every reviewer i see on youtube and on the web are giving the real treatment to nvidia and amd, and it's that all current gen gpus are ripoffs. Hell, even @the54thvoid, a moderator here in tpu kind of says it.
If price were as important as performance and other metrics for @W1zzard none of the gpus from this gen would get more than a 3 out of 5 stars. But hey, let's just justify on anything and pay $1600 for the rtx 5080/rx 8900XTX next gen just because they are faster!

 

[lightning70]

Who buys a RTX 70 series card for 4K?

According to Nvidia, this card is faster than the 3090 Ti. No difference other than DLSS 3.0. At 1440p it's on par with the 3090 Ti, at 4k it's on par with the 3090 due to the lower memory bus. The price I criticize is my friend.

 

[N/A]

If you think about it why would Nvidia let Scalpers do the scalping. someone has to do it anyway. 699 would be better but there is a threshold at which the hoarders will start filling their garages with cards. It's madness out there. At this point all we can do is wait.

 

[efikkan]

4070TI would have been amazing card, IF priced right = between $499 and $649. But at $799 it stands for everything that is wrong with todays dGPU market. GamersNexus is the most balanced no bullshit review of 4070TI I came across. Cudos to Steve.
WTF NVidia? aka NVIDIA's Rip-Off - RTX 4070 Ti

No BS? (granted Nvidia's DLSS marketing is ridiculous)
I'm really dissapointed in reviews from GamersNexsus and JaysTwoCent(not that Jay has ever been objective). They have become more opinionators than reviewers at this point, and I don't care about your feelings about products, I care about an objective assessment of a product. Calling this product a "rip-off" and falsely claiming it only matches RTX 3080 is a misrepresentation at best.

Yes GPUs are too expensive, but the solution to that isn't to torch one player, it's to have more competition and actually plenty of supplies (not just a few thousand cards). This card actually beats RX 7900 XT in performance per Dollar, which shows some competition helps, even more competition helps more.

I think a good price for RTX 4070 Ti would be $200 lower, but objectively speaking, it matches RTX 3090($1500) in 4K and 3090 Ti($2000) in 1440p, that's a lot more performance per Dollar vs. the previous generation. It's also way more efficient. So objectively speaking, this is a good step forward, and don't let some "butthurt" reviewers ruin a solid product. My recommendation for buyers in this segment is to set up a price notification, and grab one once a good deal arrives. It's usually not hard to find something ~10-20% off if you give it a little time.

And for everyone complaining about 12 GB VRAM; as evident in TPU's review, none of the games exhibit bottlenecking in 4K on this card, and claiming it will be a problem is FUD. Once again, I don't care how much VRAM people "feel" this card needs, the facts are in the results. And facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[N3M3515]

Yes GPUs are too expensive, but the solution to that isn't to torch one player, it's to have more competition and actually plenty of supplies (not just a few thousand cards). This card actually beats RX 7900 XT in performance per Dollar, which shows some competition helps, even more competition helps more.

Overpriced gpu #1, beats overpriced gpu #2, they are both still overpriced anyway.

I think a good price for RTX 4070 Ti would be $200 lower, but objectively speaking, it matches RTX 3090($1500) in 4K and 3090 Ti($2000) in 1440p, that's a lot more performance per Dollar vs. the previous generation.

Again, comparing it to the OVERPRICED gpus from last gen, compare it to the rtx 3080 and you'll instantly see this gpu is garbage at this price.

40% more performance than THE PRODUCT IT REPLACES for 40% more money, it's common sense.....

So objectively speaking, this is a good step forward, and don't let some "butthurt" reviewers ruin a solid product

To qualify a product, PRICE is as important as everything else, so not solid!
And they can and will call out nvidia and amd on their price hikes and that's the very minimum they should do. Gamers nexus even backs their claims with facts you know...

 

[Why_Me]

Let's see now. If you play at 1440 then you spend $800 for an average of 170 FPS with everything turned up on high.

And if you play 4K and want all the eye candy you purchase a card meant for 4K and that always means spending more money. That's the trade off for playing at 4K.

 

[Crackong]

Negative Reason - Market Share
Last I checked, nVidia has 88% of the video card market, AMD has about 8.something% and Intel has about 3.something%. If AMD doesn't grab more market share, Radeon might not survive at all.

Please check the following calculation to see the so called 'market share' report is a lie and it was just shipment numbers.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX May Feature Faulty Coolers, Causing Overheating

So first nvidia in the heat for burning adaptersand now amd is in the hot for faulty coolers. That's what I will call some hot mess for both of them. But it is also funny that amd first mugs nvidia for the adapter meltdown and now it turns a 360 on them self. Let's see if nvidia will mug AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX May Feature Faulty Coolers, Causing Overheating

So first nvidia in the heat for burning adaptersand now amd is in the hot for faulty coolers. That's what I will call some hot mess for both of them. But it is also funny that amd first mugs nvidia for the adapter meltdown and now it turns a 360 on them self. Let's see if nvidia will mug AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

That Report from Jon Peddie Research is clearly wrong and deceiving.

Please don't draw conclusions based on manipulated information.

 

[efikkan]

Again, comparing it to the OVERPRICED gpus from last gen, compare it to the rtx 3080 and you'll instantly see this gpu is garbage at this price.

40% more performance than THE PRODUCT IT REPLACES for 40% more money, it's common sense.....

A product doesn't become garbage because of the price.

We should live in the real world, not in a fantasy land.
In reality, this product is better priced than RX 7900 XT, which is the closest competitor. Any comparison is meaningless without context. If we want lower prices then AMD needs to be able to launch their cards with 100k+ units available, only then will we see prices drop more.

In reality, we are also in the middle of "hyperinflation", causing ~25% inflation over the past two years for most of the western world (even more true inflation of the US), compared to the usual ~2% per year for the past decades.

Gamers nexus even backs their claims with facts you know...

Like claiming it matches RTX 3080, when it actually matches RTX 3090 in 4K and RTX 3090 Ti in 1440p?
That's a selective comparison at best, and not acting in good faith.

 

[N3M3515]

In reality, this product is better priced than RX 7900 XT

Better priced than an already overpriced product, very nice.

In reality, we are also in the middle of "hyperinflation", causing ~25%

Yeah, 25% at most and i have plenty examples in my country of products that have increaced up to that figure. But guess what, no product has seen a +71% increase in price, gen over gen.

 

[efikkan]

Yeah, 25% at most and i have plenty examples in my country of products that have increaced up to that figure. But guess what, no product has seen a +71% increase in price, gen over gen.

RTX 4070 Ti ($799) over RTX 3070 Ti ($599) is a 33% increase (if the laws of mathematics still hold).
(while offering >40% more performance)
</fact police>

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Overpriced gpu #1, beats overpriced gpu #2, they are both still overpriced anyway.

Again, comparing it to the OVERPRICED gpus from last gen, compare it to the rtx 3080 and you'll instantly see this gpu is garbage at this price.

40% more performance than THE PRODUCT IT REPLACES for 40% more money, it's common sense.....

To qualify a product, PRICE is as important as everything else, so not solid!
And they can and will call out nvidia and amd on their price hikes and that's the very minimum they should do. Gamers nexus even backs their claims with facts you know...

Except it is not overpriced. Cards are more expensive to make so prices are always going to keep going up with this stuff, not down. Second nvidia is the premium brand that is desired, there for by the market and to keep that position they must keep extending their price gap over AMD or they are in deep shit. Third people have proved they will pay these prices.

So it's not over priced at all really. And nvidia should raise prices againt next time to maintain their position as the good brand. And if that's starting to get to people it's not that things are overpriced, it's that you don't actually have funds to get stuff at the level you want to. Which is fine! There will be GTX 4050s at lower prices and there are always IGPs.

There's no point in griping about it the desirable stuff is going up in price and things going up in price when they are more desired it's just how things work. Price is not indicative of quality or performance in things. It's never really been the case.

 

[N3M3515]

RTX 4070 Ti ($799) over RTX 3070 Ti ($599) is a 33% increase (if the laws of mathematics still hold).
(while offering >40% more performance)
</fact police>

33%, that's more than your 25% "hyperinflation" rate. Let's do some math, with the 1.25 it results in a $750 (and that's giving it the maximum inflation rate i've seen.)
I was refering to the 4080, with the +71%.

it's that you don't actually have funds to get stuff at the level you want to.

I have a RX 6800 XT that costed me $720, i had a budget of $800 for the gpu, not because i couldn't afford anything more expensive, but because a refuse to pay +$500 every two years for a gpu that i only use for gaming. Now if i wanted that same level of performance from the next gen i'm looking at $1200, NO WAY IN HELL.

But hey, it's true that if nvidia keeps rising prices and people keep buying from them, then that's what the market wants, sadly.

There's no point in griping about it the desirable stuff is going up in price and things going up in price when they are more desired it's just how things work.

There's also no point in you griping about me griping right?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

4070TI would have been amazing card, IF priced right = between $499 and $649. But at $799 it stands for everything that is wrong with todays dGPU market. GamersNexus is the most balanced no bullshit review of 4070TI I came across. Cudos to Steve.

WTF NVidia? aka NVIDIA's Rip-Off - RTX 4070 Ti

He did not pull punches. I totally agree that calling this a 4080 12GB would have been a huge mistake. I don’t know how they even considered it.

 

[N3M3515]

I don’t know how they even considered it.

Most certanly the +88% market share was the reason.

 

[Crackong]

Most certanly the +88% market share was the reason.

It was 88% shipment not share.

Those reports from Jon Peddie Research is clearly wrong and deceiving.

 

[sLowEnd]

Except it is not overpriced. Cards are more expensive to make so prices are always going to keep going up with this stuff, not down. Second nvidia is the premium brand that is desired, there for by the market and to keep that position they must keep extending their price gap over AMD or they are in deep shit. Third people have proved they will pay these prices.

So it's not over priced at all really. And nvidia should raise prices againt next time to maintain their position as the good brand. And if that's starting to get to people it's not that things are overpriced, it's that you don't actually have funds to get stuff at the level you want to. Which is fine! There will be GTX 4050s at lower prices and there are always IGPs.

There's no point in griping about it the desirable stuff is going up in price and things going up in price when they are more desired it's just how things work. Price is not indicative of quality or performance in things. It's never really been the case.

Consider the fact that Nvidia's % margins have been on an upward trend

EVGA won’t offer Nvidia next-gen series

Citing price increases and shrinking margins, EVGA quits Nvidia.

www.jonpeddie.com

 

[Mussels]

I really want to see the DLSS frame generation with Geforces experience overlay enabled

We need to see Nvidias own stats for render and display latency before and after its enabled, because having more FPS means nothing if it feels slower and less responsive than running without it

If you're getting 30FPS and a ~35ms display latency, you'd be hating on the game - but 60FPS and 50ms, you'd just give up


For reference, even in demanding games Nvidia stats show me in the 3-8ms render latency and total system latency sitting around 12-15ms, with nvidias early marketing saying frame generation "added" 20ms

If the total was 20ms, it'd be fine for controller based games but terrible for mouse and keyboard games like RTS or FPS titles - but if it outright adds 20, it's worthless outside benchmarks

 

[W1zzard]

No BS? (granted Nvidia's DLSS marketing is ridiculous)
I'm really dissapointed in reviews from GamersNexsus and JaysTwoCent(not that Jay has ever been objective). They have become more opinionators than reviewers at this point, and I don't care about your feelings about products, I care about an objective assessment of a product. Calling this product a "rip-off" and falsely claiming it only matches RTX 3080 is a misrepresentation at best.

Yes GPUs are too expensive, but the solution to that isn't to torch one player, it's to have more competition and actually plenty of supplies (not just a few thousand cards). This card actually beats RX 7900 XT in performance per Dollar, which shows some competition helps, even more competition helps more.

I think a good price for RTX 4070 Ti would be $200 lower, but objectively speaking, it matches RTX 3090($1500) in 4K and 3090 Ti($2000) in 1440p, that's a lot more performance per Dollar vs. the previous generation. It's also way more efficient. So objectively speaking, this is a good step forward, and don't let some "butthurt" reviewers ruin a solid product. My recommendation for buyers in this segment is to set up a price notification, and grab one once a good deal arrives. It's usually not hard to find something ~10-20% off if you give it a little time.

And for everyone complaining about 12 GB VRAM; as evident in TPU's review, none of the games exhibit bottlenecking in 4K on this card, and claiming it will be a problem is FUD. Once again, I don't care how much VRAM people "feel" this card needs, the facts are in the results. And facts don't care about your feelings.

Couldnt have said it better. Just like always, vote with your wallet.

Hi,
He as in @W1zzard ?
If so "he" is well aware seeing "he" posted a poll on 4080's worth and had a news story to announce the results to his reading world

$700-800 Ideal Price for GeForce RTX 4080: TechPowerUp Poll Surveying 11,000 Respondents

The ideal price for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 "Ada" graphics card is around USD $700 to $800, according to results from a recent TechPowerUp Front-page poll surveying our readers. Our poll "How much would you pay for RTX 4080 at most?" received over 11,000 responses. At the number 1 spot with...

www.techpowerup.com

Honestly I don't know why the thumbs down first item is arranged like it is
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Frankly "Absolutely a big increase in price compared to last generation" or "Big increase in price compared to last generation, Absolutely" either would of read better and made more sense to us USA yanks but then again I'm not a proof reader

Some put to much emphasis on the editors choice logo at one time I thought there were different color logo's used green good/ red bad but
The conclusion pretty much always expresses all the notes good and bad maybe sometimes "he" should show more drama on the bad

What i mean with „absolute „ is that the usd number is very high, especially for a x70 card. Yet the value (price/performance) is better than anything that exists in this segment (mentioned in the + section for all cards up to 850 usd)

How would you reword what i wrote?

Not in the business of drama, you have plenty of other sources for that that will hold eye contact with you, so your brain thinks they are an authoritative source that can influence your opinion. I’m not an entertainer, i like to test, analyze products, present the data and write about that. I have the best job in the world, I’m on holiday in Egypt, it’s 7 am, wife and kid are still sleeping and I’m writing to you, because of that. Considering that business is fantastic, traffic is higher than ever, it seems there’s one or two people that like my approach

 

[Deleted member 185088]

A scam, the card costs (starts) 50% more than the 3080 according to nVidia.
Great review but the conclusion is very misleading, old cards are far from obsolete because the new card is much more expensive.

 

[sLowEnd]

I'm impressed by the power consumption figures, but little else. The card is too expensive IMO, especially since there's no FE card, so it's all going to be even more expensive than "MSRP", AIB cards.

 

[Why_Me]

A scam, the card costs (starts) 50% more than the 3080 according to nVidia.
Great review but the conclusion is very misleading, old cards are far from obsolete because the new card is much more expensive.

MSRP for the RTX 3070 Ti 8GB is $600 USD
MSRP for the RTX 3080 10GB is $700 USD
MSRP for the RTX 3080 12GB is $800 USD
MSRP for the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB is $800 USD

 

[Deleted member 185088]

MSRP for the RTX 3070 Ti 8GB is $600 USD
MSRP for the RTX 3080 10GB is $700 USD
MSRP for the RTX 3080 12GB is $800 USD
MSRP for the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB is $800 USD

MSRP is meaningless, most important is real market price, the 4070ti is at least 50% (at least because this is according to nVidia) more than the 3080 right now.

 

[Why_Me]

MSRP is meaningless, most important is real market price, the 4070ti is at least 50% (at least because this is according to nVidia) more than the 3080 right now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=rtx+3080

 

[the54thvoid]

MSRP is meaningless, most important is real market price, the 4070ti is at least 50% (at least because this is according to nVidia) more than the 3080 right now.

I'd argue against that figure, at least here in the UK, where the 3080FE had been randomly available at £650. Plus 50% would be £975.

Then again, UK prices aren't released yet, I'm sure some will be that high, but then again, non FE 3080 cards are £700-800. 4070ti is still way overpriced for it's model number but if we are using numbers, we have to be factual.

Though something said elsewhere is very pertinent. NVidia were going to release this as a 4080 at $899. Because of the backlash that they deserved, they 'unlaunched' it. And released it as this but $100 cheaper. That gives you an idea about the profit margin they were willing to try and get away with, if they can drop $100 from a card they hadn't even released.