Asus p5q premium 8gb ram freezing gskill 8500 model

[Edwired]

Yea suppose ya right there. Sometimes tigher timings are usually for lower dram speed but it depends on motherboard and dram brand as they all react differently as no two parts are the same at all

 

[eidairaman1]

Yea suppose ya right there. Sometimes tigher timings are usually for lower dram speed but it depends on motherboard and dram brand as they all react differently as no two parts are the same at all

Exactly, hence ymmv comes into play

 

[Edwired]

Yea water cooling had me thinking for awhile but the parts are fairly deep in cost. Then again i prefer air cooling more easier to maintain. Might brew up an idea for better air channeling for the back of the motherboard as i see the vrm heatsink on it own as it not getting much air to it to keep cool

 

[Edwired]

Hey everyone sorry i took long enough to keep everyone updated on my custom pc as i was busy most of the time. As i am posting up the upated timings on the ram as auto was abit too tight and causing the lock up depending on applications and games. With the image showing the before and after as well all the ram sub timing are set manual. It been running well without crashing. As my custom computer only get abit of stuttering when the hwinfo monitoring software and msi afterburner are open during gaming. If i close afterburner and hwinfo monitoring before gaming it fixed the stuttering depends on some games but i can live with that as i am not too fussed. happy days

Here the new timing in the bios
TCL - 5 = manual
TRCD -5 = manual
TRP - 5 = manual
TRAS - 15 = manual
TRRD - 5 = manual
TRFC - 70 = manual
TWR - 7 = manual
TRTP - 5 = manual
TRTW - 9 = manual
TWTR_S - 6 = manual
TWTR_D -7 = manual
TRTR_S - 6 = manual
TRTR_D - 7 = manual
TWTW_S - 6 = manual
TWTW_D - 9 = manual
TWTPD - 19 = manual
TRTPD - 9 =manual
TPTPD - 2 =manual
TAPTAD - 9 = manual
TAPTRD - 9 = manual

 

[Edwired]

Some day soon im gonna try pushing the cpu even further while mantaining the ram 1066mhz spec as at the moment im just messing about with the e5450 which is running at 4.12ghz with the ram hitting 1100mhz with the asus gtx 750 ti oc model which is running at 1222mhz core (default 1072mhz), boost 1300mhz (default 1150mhz), ram at 1450mhz (default 1350mhz) voltage 1.156 default didnt change it yet and lift the power limit from 38.5 watt to 66.5 watt. As im testing it on superpostion on custom setting everything on low and windows mode and im getting over 8052 points in benchmark mode which is mental for my pc it makes me wonder how is it possible for asus p5q premiem to shift that much data. Dunno where it gonna hit the wall yet

 

[agent_x007]

im getting over 8052 points in benchmark mode which is mental for my pc it makes me wonder how is it possible for asus p5q premiem to shift that much data.

It's quite simple : It doesn't
You can run 4k superposition on Pentium 4 and still get 90% of the Core i7 scores :

Here's a result from Core i7 Hex Core PC :

 

[eidairaman1]

It's quite simple : It doesn't
You can run 4k superposition on Pentium 4 and still get 90% of the Core i7 scores :

Here's a result from Core i7 Hex Core PC :

So are you saying take this with a grain of salt then?

 

[agent_x007]

Grain of salt ?
I meant it as "You don't need that much CPU power (and data handling in general on CPU side), to get a good Superposition score".
Sure, you can take Pentium 4 score with a grain of salt because I used Rampage Extreme MB and OC'ed it past 1,3GHz mark (80%), however, he is still WAY slower than 4960X at 4,5GHz.
If Superposition needed CPU power or RAM bandwidth to run (even at 4k optimised settings), difference between P4 and i7 should be A LOT more than only 10% on benchmark score.

 

[Edwired]

Still the other day i did the superpostion it ran up to about 8467 and i ask myself what going on with my set up it doesnt make sense how it misleading with the points. Sure try ps1 for superpostion points that would be a laugh to see

 

[agent_x007]

Maybe it's GPU Boost 2.0 doing "it's thing" (changing core clock based on GPU/VRM temps and/or TDP) ?
Also, what's your score without GPU OC ?

@eidairaman1 No problem.

 

[eidairaman1]

Grain of salt ?
I meant it as "You don't need that much CPU power (and data handling in general on CPU side), to get a good Superposition score".
Sure, you can take Pentium 4 score with a grain of salt because I used Rampage Extreme MB and OC'ed it past 1,5GHz mark (80%), however, he is still WAY slower than 4960X at 4,5GHz.
If Superposition needed CPU power or RAM bandwidth to run (even at 4k optimised settings), difference between P4 and i7 should be A LOT more than only 10% on benchmark score.

Thank you for clarifying that.

 

[Edwired]

Theres is a big difference between gpu oc and gpu non oc as i have already tested both i lose between 750 to 1250 points depends on scenes and background services.

Also are you running the bench fullscreen? Agent_x007

 

[agent_x007]

Yes, in both cases (Fullscreen "Enabled").
Also, I wait for background stuff to "calm down" before testing.

Nice speed up.
Look out for VRAM OC though, in worst case it can lower the score instead of BSOD/crash (ECC in GDDR5).

 

[Edwired]

Yea it depends on vram brand as i see samsung and hynix can overclock like mad as could fetch higher scores but the elpidia pretty much crapshoot as far about 100mhz as i have elpidia on the asus gtx 750 ti oc. Will be trying out the fullscreen tonight to see how it react and screenshot each screen sizes works best. Also to point out the vsync in amd and nvidia needs to be turned off as it get more points

 

[Edwired]

hey everyone back with an update i managed to line out the problems i had before with my custom pc as i will list all the settings as soon as possible as im running nearly smooth with little stutter from time to time as the ram is overclocked to 1116mhz (4x 2gb) at stock voltage as i had to find the dimm voltage read out point as the motherboard was overvolting the ram a little too high. As the game i tested it with is TT Isle of Man which i had most problems with my pc causing stuttering and crashing. As now im getting 60fps with little dips to 54fps depending on the track between low to med settings on the asus gtx 750 ti oc. And the temperatures on cpu are below 50c during games and it aida64 stable as the cpu stressed to 63c max as idle it showing 26c - 21c - 23c -25c depending on room temperature. the voltage is 1.208v idle and 1.216v loaded. So next step is to lap the cpu ihs as it abit like a hill in the middle so i be able get the the core temp nearly leveled.

Here the updated settings
Ai overclock tuner - manual
Cpu ratio - auto
Fsb Freq - 445
Pcie Freg - 101
Dram Freq - 1116mhz
Dram clk skew a1/a2/b1/b2 - auto
Dram timing control
First timing - 5-5-5-15-auto-8-5
Second timing - all auto
Third timing - all auto
Dram static read control - disabled
Dram read training - disabled
Mem oc charger - disabled
Ai clock twister - light
AI transaction booster - manual
Common performance level - 8
all pull in are disabled

Cpu voltage - 1.2250v (VID 1.113v)
Cpu GTL voltage reference (0/2) - 0.640
Cpu GTL voltage reference (1/3) - 0.680
Cpu PLL - 1.54v
Fsb Termination - 1.34v
Dram voltage - 2.00v
NB voltage - 1.58v
NB GTL - 0.590
SB voltage - 1.20v
Pcie sata votlage - 1.50v

Loadline Calibration - auto
Cpu Spread Spectrum - disabled
Pcie Spread Spectrum - disabled
Cpu clock skew - delay 200ps
NB clock skew - delay 100ps
Cpu margin enhancement - performance

This setting is what i have in the bios as it a huge improvement for my computer as im getting 60fps solid in games i have tested some will crash with error 4101 in event viewer which leads to in games graphics some have to be disabled or lowered but other than that my system is running stable temperatures are alot better as it barely touch 46c during games on the cpu and the gpu barely touch 53c so yea it working like a champ. So a well deserve drink tonight

 

[Edwired]

Been testing for the last 3 days trying to find the balance on the asus p5q premium so far i seen a few problems popping up when selecting the dram:fsb 5:6 causing crashes most of the time with nb gtl 0.630 any higher or lower it freaks out no matter how much voltage goes in the cpu, ram, nb. So it seems i have to settle for 1:1 dram:fab and overclock the cpu balls to the wall . So the current cpu overclock is 4.13ghz @ 1.240v (vid 1.113v), ram 919mhz 2.14v still getting each time

 

[eidairaman1]

Been testing for the last 3 days trying to find the balance on the asus p5q premium so far i seen a few problems popping up when selecting the dram:fsb 5:6 causing crashes most of the time with nb gtl 0.630 any higher or lower it freaks out no matter how much voltage goes in the cpu, ram, nb. So it seems i have to settle for 1:1 dram:fab and overclock the cpu balls to the wall . So the current cpu overclock is 4.13ghz @ 1.240v (vid 1.113v), ram 919mhz 2.14v still getting each time

You got the gpu?

 

[Edwired]

Latest by wednesday according to the dpd courier as it in england somewhere as it in transit to dublin sometime tonight i think

 

[Edwired]

Well everyone i got good news about the freezing on my asus p5q premium with the gpu in x16 2.0 lane turned out the second sub timing was causing the freezing with higher transfer speed so i loosong them all up to 9-9-9-9-9-8-9 seem to help alot as i lose the higher transfer speed as it either the northbridge or ram cant handle more than 7500mb on read and copy as well the latency is 70.0ns aida64. With the current overclock e5450 4 1ghz @ 1.264v, fsb 456, ram 1143mhz @ 2.16v, northbridge @ 1.42v.

I throw up a few pictures tonight

Asus p5q premium bios settings
E5450 @ 4.12ghz gskill f2.8500cl5-2gbpk x4 @ 1143mhz
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 09.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: auto
FSB Frequency: 456
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1143
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: auto
DRAM Timing Control:

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 6
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 80
Write Recovery Time: 13
Read to Precharge Time: 5

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 9
Write to Read Delay (S): 9
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 9
READ to READ Delay (S): 9
READ to READ Delay (D): 9
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 9
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 8

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: 21
READ to PRE Delay: 7
PRE to PRE Delay: 2
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 7
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 7
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
DRAM Read Training: disabled
MEM. OC Charger: enabled
AI Clock Twister: enabled
AI Transaction Booster: manual
Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-In of CHA PH1: disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4: disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4: disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.27500 (idle 1.256v load 1.264v
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.645
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.665
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 2.16
NB Voltage: 1.42
NB GTL Reference: 0.610
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: disabled
CPU Clock Skew : auto
NB Clock Skew : auto
CPU Margin Enhancement : optimized

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 09.0
CPU VID: 1.113v
C1E Suppport: disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: disabled
CPU TM Function: disabled
Execute Disable Bit: disabled

If anyone want to try this settings let me know or if you have any question i be more than happy to help

I will try to push for more overclock sometime tonight to see where it hit the wall as i havent hit any wall yet

 

[Shambles1980]

456 fsb is probably where your main issue. its a 1600 fsb board. 456x4 = 1824.
try 433 444 or 450
but q6600's loved those boards. due to having a high multiple and low base fbs speed if you could get a g0 stepping q6600 you would probably really like it with that board.

 

[Edwired]

As there is a trade off between e5450 and q6600 because less cache and lower base fsb as well some q6600 run hotter even at stock clocks and higher vcore where e5450 is better as lower vcore and better core temperature higher base fsb. As i havent hit any wall yet that why i decided to push more overclock some day soon. Since i used resident evil 2 remake game it tends to be heavy on cpu, ram nb and gpu as the core temps never went past 48c during a 12 hours gaming session that when the gpu was in pcie x4 lane where the pcie x16 it crashes everywhere no matter what i did in the bios settings it bad enough i ended up using pcie x4 lane eversince as it alot more stable with stuttering which i can live with

 

[agent_x007]

There is no point in going Q6600 over E5450 (they both have the exact same multiplier), and 45nm means Xeon will clock higher by default.

 

[eidairaman1]

There is no point in going Q6600 over E5450 (they both have the exact same multiplier), and 45nm means Xeon will clock higher by default.

I know ymwv, but for an intel part of that era wouldn't it multiplier clock higher or is it the FSB that will?

 

[agent_x007]

Yes, in both cases - you are OC'ing by FSB (unless you got Extreme version).
However, in case of LGA 775 Quad Cores, getting high FSB stable is a problem.
In case of 65nm ones, you are problaly going to be stopped by power/temps way before max. FSB becomes a serious issue (even on Q6600 and a crappy board). Q6600 only needs 445MHz FSB to get to 4GHz.

Going beyond 450-470MHz, usually requires a really good board with GTL setting tweaks and correct VTT/FSB Termination voltages (and may require Performance Level tweaks on chipset side on top).
490MHz and beyond is specific to few boards, and even then you are limited by what CPU itself is capable of (not everyone can do 500MHz safely). It can also be easily limited by DRAM frequency, if your setup uses 8GB of DDR2 (4x2GB).

If you are lucky, you might get a Kentsfield that will clock FSB higher than standard Yorkfield, but because the latter has more cache (SSE4 support), and doesn't require a water cooling for 4GHz - former based CPUs are not worth it in the long run.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes, in both cases - you are OC'ing by FSB (unless you got Extreme version).
However, in case of LGA 775 Quad Cores, getting high FSB stable is a problem.
In case of 65nm ones, you are problaly going to be stopped by power/temps way before max. FSB becomes a serious issue (even on Q6600 and a crappy board). Q6600 only needs 445MHz FSB to get to 4GHz.

Going beyond 450-470MHz, usually requires a really good board with GTL setting tweaks and correct VTT/FSB Termination voltages (and may require Performance Level tweaks on chipset side on top).
490MHz and beyond is specific to few boards, and even then you are limited by what CPU itself is capable of (not everyone can do 500MHz safely). It can also be easily limited by DRAM frequency, if your setup uses 8GB of DDR2 (4x2GB).

If you are lucky, you might get a Kentsfield that will clock FSB higher than standard Yorkfield, but because the latter has more cache (SSE4 support), and doesn't require a water cooling for 4GHz - former based CPUs are not worth it in the long run.

Yeah different experience on my sig rig, mine was just multiplier and vcore, i'm sure there are other voltages I could touch but unsure, ram is running out of spec too. If i started fsb oc id probably have to revert timings to 2400 spec since 2133 spec are tighter.