Asus p5q premium 8gb ram freezing gskill 8500 model

[Edwired]

Hi to everyone i got a spliting headache with the asus p5q premium as it starting to annoy me with a bad habit which it does random lock ups and freezing anywhere from 2 minutes to 10 minutes. As the four dimms are populated with 4x 2gb g-skills f2-8500 models as i applied the 5-5-5-15 with 2.1v as it running at 1100mhz 5/6 divider as my settings for timings are first sub 5-5-5-15-3-70-6-3 second sub 7-3-5-4-5-4-7 third sub 14-5-1-6-6 as the timings states that in auto as well it dont change when the fsb goes up. Can anyone point out which one or some of the timings to loosing up or tighting up when im overclocking the e5450 to 4.146ghz @ 1.336v. Any help will be great

 

[sneekypeet]

By reading, I can assume you are using 4x2GB sticks. My first thought is to leave the ram as set by the motherboard, and add some Northbridge volts to help with the additional strain of using all four DIMM slots on the motherbord. If adding say 0.10V to the northbridge doesnt help, you could try rasing the DIMM voltage by 0.10V and see if that may help solve it. To test things properly, reset the CPU to default and then set up the memory. That way you are not fighting possible CPU instability while trying to solve the RAM issue. Once you have the ram running as it is supposed to, the effect on the CPU OC capability will be minimal.

 

[Edwired]

As if i set the ram to 1:1 ratio at 931mhz i still get random lock up with the same above sub timings as same goes for default cpu speed of 3ghz at 1.126v i have the northbridge voltage at 1.54v in bios as well tested by dmm it reads 1.55v depends on load. As the graphic card is in x16 2.0 slot. Where does this lead me to? As im asking for people who have ran with asus p5q deluxe, pro, turbo and premium board to help me to troubleshoot the issue. I have already exhausted alot of the time and research on this board. As i just want to run emulated games and some racing games not breaking my forehead off the keyboard everytime the motherboard locks up like a 5 years old choking on suger puff cereal

Anyone want to help?

 

[infrared]

Hey Edwired, got your PM so found this and scratched my head for a bit! I can't remember much about the later sub-timings, should be fine if it auto's to those timings. but from memory the 5-5-5-15-3-70-6-3 look okay. And voltages sound okay. What have you been doing to test the stability of cpu/ram? I'd suggest running Memtest64/Memtest86+/HCI Memtest for a bit, then maybe prime95 on small - medium fft. Hopefully this will point to an issue, if it's a data corruption issue it'll probably pass those tests just fine.

I'm still thinking this is a software problem, or data corruption. I remember screwing up a few raid arrays because the southbridge was spitting out errors at high fsb, which caused irritating frequent crashes that continued when everything was set back to stock clocks. When was the last time you did a fresh install?

Could be worth checking the health of the hard drives/ssd as well, you need something that can scan for bad sectors and read SMART data. Seagate has their SeaTools software that'll do the 1TB drive, that might also let you check the other drives. This won't check the integrity of the stuff on there, but it'll give you an idea of the health of the drive.

 

[Edwired]

Hey well simon yea it a pain to deal with as i have already tested all the hard drives they are all 100% fine according to hd sentitial as i have tested the rams in memtest86 as no issues there. I think theres something funky going on the pcie x16 and x8 lanes as they rated at 2.0 but the problem dont appear in x4 1.1 lane which i cant understand. Is the e5450 compatible with pcie x16 and x8 lane or is it something to do with the second and third sub timings as i listed above they hardly change when the fsb goes up and different ratio divider on the ram

 

[infrared]

Nice one on the testing. That's interesting with the PCIE configuration.. You've got the PCIE frequency still at 100mhz? and PCIE spread spectrum - disabled?

There's always the possibility of it being a hardware problem, like the Northbridge on that board degrading, or even a problem with the GPU. Have you got a different graphics card you could try?

 

[vega22]

how is the chipset cooling?

as infrared said the nb does much of the work on that platform.

i had a 40mm fan on my p45 and later changed it to a noctua nc u6 heatsink which helpped me get higher fsb/ram speeds.

iirc 1.55 is high for stock cooling at around 450 fsb?

 

[Edwired]

The pcie freg is 100mhz and the pcie spectrum is disabled and still locking up before as i have galaxy gtx 660 same problems as before but it dont lock up with the gtx 660 in pcie x4 1.1 lane most annoying issue is that pcie x4 lane makes the games stutter as well poor frametime. That why i need help on ram timings. The northbridge is cooled by 90mm antec blue led fan stuffed between the blue pcie x16 lane and held in by the cpu fan works great motherboard hit high 33 degrees depends on load

 

[vega22]

i found lsd's thread on tt helped me get the best i could from my p45 setup but that was for gigabyte boards and i think asus uses a slightly different naming convention. but i think these links might help you some?

https://forums.tweaktown.com/gigaby...plained-suggested-timings-memset-vs-bios.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/understanding-ram-timings/
http://www.tweakers.fr/timings.html

other than that i think oc.net had a good thread on those mobo which you might be able to find some good info in?

bit of a long shot, but have you tried cleaning the contacts and the slots?

 

[Edwired]

Yea i have a look at that i have already cleaned the motherboard and graphic cards with wd40 specialist dry contact spray and all the chips with heatsinks have have arctic mx-4 thermal paste so the temperatures are not the problem

 

[Malik Sajid]

Hi, I have a p5q-e which is similar to your premium. I noticed when I installed 4 dimms that my windows boot logo freezes for a split second and my mouse pointer freezes also, I figured it out and all what I needed was increasing vNB to 1.26v and setting NB GTL to 0.635x (maybe you need to find your ratio)
Also try to set your AI clock twister to moderate or light or even lighter

 

[Edwired]

Yea that what im trying to find in the last while due to overclocking the cpu. If i had the vnb to 1.40v the install of games starts to error out like random but only when the graphic card is in the blue slot which is pcie x16 2.0 but the problem dont appear in the x4 1.1 lane which is abit f#$k up to be honest which leads me to fine tune the ram timing which i believe they are found in the support manual

 

[infrared]

hmmm. tbh I think you're putting your focus on the wrong thing, I don't think this issue is related to ram at all. I'm really curious if the problem would still happen with a different gpu because it sounds to me like it could be a dying motherboard or graphics card. Have you still got the GTX750Ti you could try @ x16 2.0? Or a friend you could borrow a card from? At best it fixes the problem and we know what it is, at worst we know it's a problem somewhere on the mobo/cpu/ram side. But I've never run into this type of instability in all my overclocking shinanigans, if the ram timings were bad it wouldn't cause this type of issue, and you'd be getting errors when stress testing the memory.

 

[Edwired]

I have two graphic cards asus gtx 750 ti 2gb and galaxy gtx 660 2gb both are working as intended both have fresh arctic mx-4 paste as temp on gtx 660 hits about 60c as the gtx 750 never hit above 50c. If the motherboard was dying there be signs of caps busted or leaking but theres nothing burnt on the board. Strange thing is why is pcie x4 1.1 working normal during games and stress testing when the pcie x8 and x16 is causing lockup during games and stress testing

 

[infrared]

Okay, that's what I was getting at - is the issue still present with a different gpu - yes. CPU specific stress tests pass, RAM specific stress tests pass, all your settings are okay, so logically it does point towards the motherboard having a physical fault. It's very possible to degrade the northbridge with high voltage over time. I've had a couple of lga775 boards die from overclocking with no visible signs, so I wouldn't assume it's good from a visual inspection - Those are solid polymer caps anyway so they'd never bulge/leak, but bad caps shouldn't be an issue on this board.

Just to recap because I think we started trying to figure this out in a different thread and I'm losing track of what's been done..
-you've tested the OS drive and confirmed it's good?
-tried re-installing the OS or tested while running off a different drive with fresh OS & drivers?
Those two should rule out data corruption.
-tested cpu with Prime95
-tested ram extensively lol
-tried different gpu
A bad psu wouldn't cause this funky pcie issue.

I'm out of ideas, without being able to test a different board you're gonna be grasping at straws with random settings that shouldn't need to be touched and most likely won't help.

I wouldn't normally make an offer like this, I can send you my P5Q Deluxe to test with. I'd prefer it back afterwards but if it works you could buy it off me.

 

[Edwired]

I pretty much did all i can with the board. I have reinstalled the windows 10 three times in a space of 4 months ages ago. As the power supply is good as tested with a psu tester and dmm. As im from ireland dunno if that matters on shipping

 

[infrared]

I'll figure out what postage would cost tomorrow and shoot you a PM

 

[infrared]

Ahhhhh, bad news I'm afraid. I tested the board today and it's dead, I spent a few hours messing around with it and can't get any signs of life from it. I even took off all the heatsinks and went around the VRM sections with Iso and a brush because the thermal pads had gone a bit nasty, but still no boot. It worked a couple of months ago so I assumed it'd be good still, sorry about that.

 

[Edwired]

Ah jeez nothing worse that asus p5q deluxe decided to committed death as it feels unloved ah it grand i have to endure the pain for gaming on pcie x4 lane. I may have to fiddle with the vsync on each games to settle the screen tearing as in firefox i get tearing if the vsync is on or adaptive. But dont get tearing if vsync is half refresh rate

 

[Edwired]

hi everyone i having a major issue with the asus p5q premium which keeps freezing as the bios is not adjusting to the ram timing correctly. i had to input the timing to 5-6-6-18 manually to post this image to find help as im not 100% sure how to set timing to get the system to stop hanging when i am gaming or stressing the gpu. As the power supply is Antec HCG850m is checked out fine.
According to the bios stated timing
TCL - 5 = manual
TRCD -6 = manual
TRP - 6 = manual
TRAS - 18 = manual
TRRD - 3 = auto
TRFC - 55 = manual
TWR - 6 = auto
TRTP - 3 = auto
TRTW - 7 = auto
TWTR_S - 3 = auto
TWTR_D - 5 = auto
TRTR_S - 4 = auto
TRTR_D - 5 = auto
TWTW_S - 4 = auto
TWTW_D - 7 = auto
TWTPD - 14 = auto
TRTPD - 5 =auto
TPTPD - 1 =auto
TAPTAD - 7 = auto
TAPTRD - 7 = auto
Ai Transaction Booster - 10 = auto
Ram voltage is 2.18v in bios = digital multimeter reads 2.10v on the motherboard.

as the auto settings causing lock up when the valley bench software is running then it freeze up with the sound running then have to hit reset to get back into the windows 10 as all drivers are up to date and all the hard drives are tested and 100% healthy.

any help would be great



here the image with ram timing

 

[eidairaman1]

Please get cpu-z and post the screenshot of the ram/dimm pages. I want to know exactly what ram you have. Nvmd, i see your kit, let me look it up.

Ok reset your bios back to factory defaults for 1, save optimized defaults, get screens of the rams operational rate at stock, like you posted above. It is Possible your memory controller on the mobo might be straining with 4 Dimms at higher clock rates, the only way to counter that is to loosen timings and apply slightly higher vdimm, your vcore might need a bump too. Your cpu temps and NB temps might be too high, blow all dust out of system.

Please get cpu-z and post the screenshot of the ram/dimm pages. I want to know exactly what ram you have. Nvmd, i see your kit, let me look it up.

Ok reset your bios back to factory defaults for 1, save optimized defaults, get screens of the rams operational rate at stock, like you posted above. It is Possible your memory controller on the mobo might be straining with 4 Dimms at higher clock rates, the only way to counter that is to loosen timings and apply slightly higher vdimm, your vcore might need a bump too. Your cpu temps and NB temps might be too high, blow all dust out of system.

Since its a 771 Xeon in a 775 board it's possible since its a non standard config your system may be crippled from a extreme OC like you hoped for.

By the way are you sure the CPU is a elbbm and not a SLBBM?
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E5450 - EU80574KJ080N - AT80574KJ080N (BX80574E5450A).html

Specific Ram Kit
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f2-8500cl5d-2gbpk

Here is your motherboard manual list, it typically will tell you what each ram timing represents in your bios correlating to the timings on the gskill site.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Premium/HelpDesk_Manual/

Motherboard CPU support list
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Premium/HelpDesk_CPU/

Motherboard Bios
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_Premium/HelpDesk_BIOS/

Cpu FSB is 1333 clock effective, real clock is 333 due to quad pumping. Cpu is 3000 MHz, to make true 3GHz FSB would be either 333.33x9 or 333.40 x9. Ram true clock is 533. Are you using a 460x9 or 461x9 FSB? I recalled multipliers could only go down and not up.

 

[Edwired]

I will upload the screenshot of cpuid with the ram/dimm information soon. If i have the ram timing in auto it stated 5-5-5-15-52-t2 in cpuid. As i have 4x 2gb g-skill f2-8500cl5-2gbpk fully populated in the dimm slot fully seated and the gold contacts are cleaned also free of dust as well. I did read up about the rams i have as alot people have no problem running 1066mhz on various motherboards. The northbridge voltage is 1.26v (auto) in bios as i checked with the digital multimeter it reads between 1.27v/1.28v on the motherboard read point as it depend on load when stressing the gpu with valley benchtest software. As it lock up the whole computer when the gpu is in the pcie x16 blue lane but it dont lock up if the gpu is in the pcie x4 black lane with lagging and stuttering causing a bottleneck according to afterburner real time logging as it shows the gpu bus usage or fb usage 50% to 60% when i use the gpuid render test causing the whole computer become choppy and unstable until i end the gpuid render test. As im at a loss and confused where to pin down the issue but still i think the ram timing is the cause as the cpu is clocked 3.61ghz 8 multi with the fsb @ 450 vcore 1.296v, gtl 0/2 1/3 @ auto, pll @ 1.56v, fsb term @ 1.26v, ram 1080mhz @ 2.10 (dmm tested), southbridge @ 1.30v, sata voltage @ 1.50v, northbridge @ auto (dmm tested) = 1.27v/1.28v, northbridge gtl @ auto. This what i have found in the last half an hour.

The bios is at the latest modded with microcode for the xeon e5450 eo revision as it slbbm model

 

[eidairaman1]

I will upload the screenshot of cpuid with the ram/dimm information soon. If i have the ram timing in auto it stated 5-5-5-15-52-t2 in cpuid. As i have 4x 2gb g-skill f2-8500cl5-2gbpk fully populated in the dimm slot fully seated and the gold contacts are cleaned also free of dust as well. I did read up about the rams i have as alot people have no problem running 1066mhz on various motherboards. The northbridge voltage is 1.26v (auto) in bios as i checked with the digital multimeter it reads between 1.27v/1.28v on the motherboard read point as it depend on load when stressing the gpu with valley benchtest software. As it lock up the whole computer when the gpu is in the pcie x16 blue lane but it dont lock up if the gpu is in the pcie x4 black lane with lagging and stuttering causing a bottleneck according to afterburner real time logging as it shows the gpu bus usage or fb usage 50% to 60% when i use the gpuid render test causing the whole computer become choppy and unstable until i end the gpuid render test. As im at a loss and confused where to pin down the issue but still i think the ram timing is the cause as the cpu is clocked 3.61ghz 8 multi with the fsb @ 450 vcore 1.296v, gtl 0/2 1/3 @ auto, pll @ 1.56v, fsb term @ 1.26v, ram 1080mhz @ 2.10 (dmm tested), southbridge @ 1.30v, sata voltage @ 1.50v, northbridge @ auto (dmm tested) = 1.27v/1.28v, northbridge gtl @ auto. This what i have found in the last half an hour.

The bios is at the latest modded with microcode for the xeon e5450 eo revision as it slbbm model

Hmm, find out if there is a PCI E bus lockout/ Divider In your board manual so when you start clocking the CPU FSB it doesn't increase the PCI Express clock rate too. See if your board has a Ram Divider too.

Set your Northbridge/FSB from auto to manual, your vcore from auto to manual and your ram from auto to manual. Your fsb to 1.28, your ram to 2.1. Vcore set it to that as you said.

See my previous message too for a question.

Your system specs claim you have mushkin ram, is that true still?

 

[Edwired]

i did have mushkin 8500 996599es ram before they were troublesome to get stable. The bios shows the pci freq is set to 100 any higher than 105 result no boot. And the hwinfo states memory clock ratio 1.20x. Cpuid states fsb:dram = 5/6. I have ordered another e5450 to see if the problem still freeze during the valley benchtest software. As i have already changed the gpu from gtx 660 to gtx 750 ti and changed the mushkin ram to g-skill. all still freeze. but that leave the issue to the motherboard which the hwinfo shows the 12v = 12.040v, 5v = 4.968v, 3.3v = 3.312v, another 3.3v = 3.264v, vin6 = 2.484v, 3vsb = 3.392v, vbatt = 1.024v.

 

[eidairaman1]

Read pages 3-16-3-26 of your motherboard manual if in english, something says something about CPU FSB strap, loadline calibration etc. Perhaps @cadaveca or @crazyeyesreaper might be able to assist further on this configuration.

Now that I recall, you may need to force your rams real/effective clock rate down and loosen timings just to OC it because if the ram is set to 533 (1066) off the back when you increase the fsb speed it infact increases the ram clocks too, thus instability may occur