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ASUS Unveils the Xonar D-KARA Audio Card

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PCI cards in 2012 =o
 
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What's even more pointless is 500 versions of the exactly same audio chip and functions. How dull is that!? Creative at least adds some buzzword sounding features to soundcards so you at least get a feeling they add some value to them. Everyone else use same crappy chips from a decade ago, have nearly no driver support and no features one would get excited about. *sigh*
 
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there was a time when customers used to fuss about sound cards and Creative was the king of the hill. Now no mainstream customer gives a damn about them.
 
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What's even more pointless is 500 versions of the exactly same audio chip and functions. How dull is that!? Creative at least adds some buzzword sounding features to soundcards so you at least get a feeling they add some value to them. Everyone else use same crappy chips from a decade ago, have nearly no driver support and no features one would get excited about. *sigh*
Well it seems this one seems to use a special Cirrus Logic DAC/effect processor, that gives all the vocal pitch control mojo...

why d-kara?

In Japanese it sounds like because... ? Funny...
 

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What's even more pointless is 500 versions of the exactly same audio chip and functions. How dull is that!? Creative at least adds some buzzword sounding features to soundcards so you at least get a feeling they add some value to them. Everyone else use same crappy chips from a decade ago, have nearly no driver support and no features one would get excited about. *sigh*
The audio chip (that C-Media-made chip) is irrelevant*. All it does is serves as an HDA host. It's the DAC/ADC and AMP circuitry that matters. That's what ASUS tinkers with.

*CMI audio chips pack DAC/ADC of their own, but you can design a card to use external DAC and ADC chips. Take Auzentech X-Meridean series for example, it uses CMI8788 as merely a host, it's the wonderful external DACs that do the bull-work.
 
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Had a friend that discovered karaoke at our LAN parties. We gave him his own room, for "practice without interference".

I guess I should tell him about this card :rockout:
 
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No thanks, I'll Stick to my on board and my Steelseries 7.1HD audio.
 
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My first thought exactly :)
I guess it is because of drivers and and latency problems with this particular task...

PCIE sound cards kind of cheat still and still uses a translator chip to PCI inside the chip... it brings up latency thats for sound processing brings inevitable evil...

A proper pci-e host will cost money! And the drivers also will be pain to write from scratch... also a lot of money in labor salaries... you got the idea...

Why drivers from Asus and Creative come so freaking slow...
 
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I guess it is because of drivers and and latency problems with this particular task...

PCIE sound cards kind of cheat still and still uses a translator chip to PCI inside the chip... it brings up latency thats for sound processing brings inevitable evil...

A proper pci-e host will cost money! And the drivers also will be pain to write from scratch... also a lot of money in labor salaries... you got the idea...

Why drivers from Asus and Creative come so freaking slow...
I think I got the idea, but I had to read your post a couple of times before I understand what do you mean. :)

The reasoning behind my post was, that PCI is called "legacy" for a reason. It was replaced because it couldn't catch with its parallel 8-bit data transfer to the newer faster CPUs. That's why PCIe - uses serial data transfer. And I can't wait for the older standard to be retired from use. I don't see a point for motherboard manifacturers to put these on the MBs :) in this train of thought: who has legacy PCI slots in their new MB- I don't :D
 
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I think I got the idea, but I had to read your post a couple of times before I understand what do you mean. :)

The reasoning behind my post was, that PCI is called "legacy" for a reason. It was replaced because it couldn't catch with its parallel 8-bit data transfer to the newer faster CPUs. That's why PCIe - uses serial data transfer. And I can't wait for the older standard to be retired from use. I don't see a point for motherboard manifacturers to put these on the MBs :) in this train of thought: who has legacy PCI slots in their new MB- I don't :D
I do...
 
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My motherboard has pci slots, one for my wireless card and one for my x-fi sound card.. I bought it last year brand new.. how is pci irrelevant? I know it's becoming less popular, but still.. people do use it such as myself.

This Xonar D-KARA is an ok sound card by the way.
 

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I guess it is because of drivers and and latency problems with this particular task...

PCIE sound cards kind of cheat still and still uses a translator chip to PCI inside the chip... it brings up latency thats for sound processing brings inevitable evil...

A proper pci-e host will cost money! And the drivers also will be pain to write from scratch... also a lot of money in labor salaries... you got the idea...

Why drivers from Asus and Creative come so freaking slow...
Actually, the Creative CA20K2 is native PCIe. No translator chip, and therefore no extra latency.
 
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there was a time when customers used to fuss about sound cards and Creative was the king of the hill. Now no mainstream customer gives a damn about them.
Say thank you to M$ for destroying and nullifying the 3D Hardware sound in games...:shadedshu
 
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Say thank you to M$ for destroying and nullifying the 3D Hardware sound in games...:shadedshu
your gonna get me worked up lol!!!

this reason as stated is why i don't give 2 sh!tz about upgrading from my onboard audio... its not gonna make it absolutely amazing anyway so i won't bother
 
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Actually, the Creative CA20K2 is native PCIe. No translator chip, and therefore no extra latency.
Well that's arguable...

CA20K2 Datasheet

And the internal BUS interface.

What in hell VCI is

So if you look on the sheet... VCI mimics a lot of PCI like system principles and I can even bet that it can work like that using old like PCI data frames. The PCI-E bridge is just taken inside the SOIC itself but on bus level same topology remained.
I cannot judge about the latency, but it isn't a true native direct solution, still a workaround to use the OLD EMU core, not a complete overhaul of the soic. They just use a PCIe host, awakens it with its own CPU core, eeprom and ram and it has a UAA core also in it, and if OS boots UP, creative driver kicks in, then they can use the dedicated EMU part using old known methods and awaken it, to me it looks not quite the fastest way. Still the same old architecture.

your gonna get me worked up lol!!!

this reason as stated is why i don't give 2 sh!tz about upgrading from my onboard audio... its not gonna make it absolutely amazing anyway so i won't bother
Well I need a really good analogue output for my sound systems, if you use SPDIF afterwards a receiver, true there is no need to upgrade at all...
 
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