ATI 4890 choppy gameplay despite high fps in win7

[erocker]

I definitely sense a RAM issue. I don't know if it's 1T/2T problem but it definitely helped that guy last week who's system was crashing.

Whether or not it is 1T or something else, you can relax your memory timings in the BIOS. If it's not in one of the main pages there should be a sub-page for memory timings. The memory appears to be at spec to me with the other timings.

It's not a 1t 2t issue, but yeah RAM is starting to look like the culprit for sho. Looking at that CPU-Z shot now, the ram is running 1333Mhz cas 9. I can see a pretty good bottleneck with an AMD rig and those settings.

vlajko80, you need to go into the bios and set the frequecy, cas latency and voltage of your ram correctly.

 

[vlajko80]

It's not a 1t 2t issue. Looking at that CPU-Z shot now, the ram is running 1333Mhz cas 9. I can see a pretty good bottleneck with an AMD rig and those settings.

vlajko80, you need to go into the bios and set the frequecy, cas latency and voltage of your ram correctly.

I DONT KNOW HOW TO SET THEM ..
CANT YOU HELP ME ....BY TELLING ME WHAT TO DO ??

 

[vlajko80]

memory is Kingston hyper KHX1600C9D3BK2/4G

 

[DirectorC]

I went to the ASUS web site to look for the motherboard manual for you, and I found this:

"M4A79XTD EVO BIOS 0604
Improve the system stability and performance when using certain memory. "

BIOS update. Can you at least check your BIOS version and attempt an update if one is necessary?

 

[erocker]

To set your ram, look at page 3-12 of your manual. http://www.scribd.com/doc/19676589/M4A79XTD-EVO

In the bios it is under the Advanced tab in "Jumper Free Configuration" "Memory timing and voltage"

You should really know what you are doing before you do it, so read up here:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22916
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22547

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Good find DirectorC.
Kingston KVR1333D3N9/1G DDR3 1333 1024MB SS elpida J1108BABG-DJ-E 9 1.5V ± 0.075V
appears to be the approved ram for your board.


My suggestion:
1. Find out what your ram voltage is (read the packaging if you have it or visit the ram's website)
2. Change the timing in the bios from 1T to 2T. Start at Page 3-12 in your manual (as suggested) to figure out how you do it
3. Also manually change the voltage of your ram. Again visit the ram's website to see what the default voltage is for your ram.


Edit:
I've visited their website and don't see KHX1600C9D3BK2/4G 4GB DDR3-1600Mhz. I do see one without the B.

 

[vlajko80]

To set your ram, look at page 3-12 of your manual. http://www.scribd.com/doc/19676589/M4A79XTD-EVO

In the bios it is under the Advanced tab in "Jumper Free Configuration" "Memory timing and voltage"

You should really know what you are doing before you do it, so read up here:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22916
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=22547

yeah i know where ...but don't know on what values to set it.
Dont blame me ...i believe in plug&play.

 

[vlajko80]

Good find DirectorC.
Kingston KVR1333D3N9/1G DDR3 1333 1024MB SS elpida J1108BABG-DJ-E 9 1.5V ± 0.075V
appears to be the approved ram for your board.


My suggestion:
1. Find out what your ram voltage is (read the packaging if you have it or visit the ram's website)
2. Change the timing in the bios from 1T to 2T. Start at Page 3-12 in your manual (as suggested) to figure out how you do it
3. Also manually change the voltage of your ram. Again visit the ram's website to see what the default voltage is for your ram.


Edit:
I've visited their website and don't see KHX1600C9D3BK2/4G 4GB DDR3-1600Mhz. I do see one without the B.

yeah there is no mem with the "B".

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Are you sure it has a B in it?

 

[vlajko80]

Are you sure it has a B in it?

yes.it is written on the package box
i do'no ...i'm from south-east Europe (Serbia)....

 

[EastCoasthandle]

hmm was this purchased in the US?

 

[vlajko80]

No. i both it in Belgrade Serbia.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

ok, lets take a look at the website from that area then.
Edit:

Looks like they all link back to USA chart. Sorry man, I don't know what else to tell you other then read the voltage and timing from the packaging.

 

[vlajko80]

ok, lets take a look at the website from that area then.
Did I get it right?

no that Russia ....i;m from Serbia ..wait...
there is no serbia on that site ??
ok what shall we do now ??

 

[niko084]

Recording in fraps will kill your FPS, no matter what you do.

I have a customer who thought it would help if he bought a bigger card and a bigger chip....
Now he has a 4870x2 running 1680x1050 MS Flight Sim X and can't record on fraps with his settings turned up without getting some frame rates that are not acceptable, I should also note he is running Raid 0+1 on 4 WD Black 1TB *so drive speed isn't the problem*, he has 8gb of ram *not he problem* and a Phenom 2 quad @ 4.4*ghz so..

Don't try to record while playing seriously, just doesn't work very well.

 

[vlajko80]

ok, lets take a look at the website from that area then.
Edit:

Looks like they all link back to USA chart. Sorry man, I don't know what else to tell you other then read the voltage and timing from the packaging.

voltage is form 1.7-1.9
timing is cl9 ??

 

[vlajko80]

i dont know what to do realy ...there is nothing about timings

 

[EastCoasthandle]

What that usually means is that you would change the following:

Dram Command Rate=2T (from auto)
TCL=9 (from auto)
TRCD=9 (from auto)
TRP=9 (from auto)
But if you change it just change TCL to just 9.


Dram Voltage can be a little tricky as there is huge gap from 1.7V to 1.9V

 

[vlajko80]

KHX1600C9D3K2/2G 2GB 1600MHz DDR3 Non-ECC
CL9 (Kit of 2) 9-9-9-27 1.7-1.9V

this is what i found on Kingston website its all the same accept "b" letter.
B is for region "Balkan" i spouse.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Then you should be able to plug that into the bios (look at my previous post's link for a pic of what your bios will look like). As long as you are sure about it.
TCL=9 (from auto)
TRCD=9 (from auto)
TRP=9 (from auto)
tRAS=27 (from auto)
Leave your voltage on auto for now as the gap is just to large for me to tell you what to use. I would suggest 1.80V but I don't know what that will do to your PC.

 

[vlajko80]

Then you should be able to plug that into the bios (look at my previous post's link for a pic of what your bios will look like). As long as you are sure about it.
TCL=9 (from auto)
TRCD=9 (from auto)
TRP=9 (from auto)
tRAS=27 (from auto)
Leave your voltage on auto for now as the gap is just to large for me to tell you what to use. I would suggest 1.80V but I don't know what that will do to your PC.

ok i set it according to your instruction. Where can i sea the changes accept for bios ??
To if bios accepted it ?

 

[robn]

I know you are looking at memory right now, but since things seem ok in another operating system I'm thinking more along the ideas you already mentioned...

when i dissable ACPI 2.0 and ACPI APIC in BIOS i get lover frame rate in games, but no choppy movement. There is something with power management between ATi/ASSUS/WIN7 and i dont know what. I tried to set power scheme in win7 to performances. I tried disabling enabling cool'n'quiet in Bios.

when i run some background process like fraps ( movie capturing with f9 -function on ) that lower frame rate in game , problem disappear

My tip would be that it is power management features causing issues - they go a lot further in Win 7 than XP to turn things down when Windows thinks you don't need speed. That could be the difference.

The "performance" setting in control panel is not necessarily full speed. Choose "change plan settings > Change advanced power settings" (or equivalent!) and make sure features like "PCI-E link state power management" are "off", processor maximum state is 100%, system cooling policy: "active", etc.

Hope this helps. On my system (tho it's Intel) Win 7 was occasionally throttling my CPU to a choppy 1760MHz (my full speed is 3520) during the Unigine DX11 benchmark when I set up max power saving in Control Panel! FRAPS' heavy load might trigger Windows into speeding up your CPU! That's where I'm coming from

 

[EastCoasthandle]

ok i set it according to your instruction. Where can i sea the changes accept for bios ??
To if bios accepted it ?

tab over to exit and save changes. Did you change Dram Command Rate=2T (from auto)

 

[vlajko80]

I know you are looking at memory right now, but since things seem ok in another operating system I'm thinking more along the ideas you already mentioned...





My tip would be that it is power management features causing issues - they go a lot further in Win 7 than XP to turn things down when Windows thinks you don't need speed. That could be the difference.

The "performance" setting in control panel is not necessarily full speed. Choose "change plan settings > Change advanced power settings" (or equivalent!) and make sure features like "PCI-E link state power management" are "off", processor maximum state is 100%, system cooling policy: "active", etc.

Hope this helps. On my system (tho it's Intel) Win 7 was occasionally throttling my CPU to a choppy 1760MHz (my full speed is 3520) during the Unigine DX11 benchmark when I set up max power saving in Control Panel! FRAPS' heavy load might trigger Windows into speeding up your CPU! That's where I'm coming from

thanks for the advice, but those settings are by default..

 

[vlajko80]

tab over to exit and save changes. Did you change Dram Command Rate=2T (from auto)

I did as you said, but no change in games
thank you anyway !