ATI HD5XXX Series Discussion

[TheMailMan78]

If the 58XX cards really do have 32 rops then the deciding factor on the HD58XX cards will be the rops, not the shaders,

for example

if both the 4890 and the 58XX were at a 1GHZ core clock with 4890's 40tmu's vs the 5870's 48tmu's, the texture fill rate on both should be 40,000 and 48,000 respectively, and thats not much of a boost at all,

if both the 4890 and the 58XX were at a 1GHZ core clock with 4890's 16 rops vs the 5870's 32 rops, the pixel fill rate on both should be 16,000 and 32,000 and thats a big difference.

ATI has only used 16 rops on their high end cards since the X1800/x800's came out, so it will be very interesting to see how their performance will increase with double.

I predict pure pwnage. Doubling the pipelines = win in my book

 

[tastegw]

im no expert on this matter or video cards but...

something tells me both ATI's and NV's next gen cards will blow the doors off the current gen cards.

why would i say this?

being an owner of a current 40nm gpu gave me hints.
ask yourself this question...if you were to put the 4770 on a 256-bit bus (doubling its bandwidth)where would it fall in the current ATI line-up in terms of performance.
then add 400 or so SP's...now where would it fall in terms of performance?
then increase the stock clocks core and ram 200+MHz...now where or how far past the others would it be?

simply putting the 4770 on a 256-bit bus imo it would compete with the 4870/90 cards directly, maybe trade blows. but when you give it a total of 1200 SP's or w/e the new number is...along with that 256-bit bus and clock up the core/ram....its nothing short of blowing the doors off the current gen lineup.

just my 2 cents.
the fact that a 40nm 128-bit bus gpu can hold its on agianst most of the current gen 256-bit bus cards is a tell tell sign.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

My thoughts exactly! I was just PMing what you just said to someone else! I can't wait for some benchmarks.

I don't want to view things so optimistically, So that way if the 5xxx series is just a DX11 upgrade and a small increase in performance like 8%, I won't be so disappointed..:shadedshu
So I'm just gonna keep on thinking IT's just a small step up, and that there will be no major changes till PCI-E 3.0 and the 6xxx series come out probably next early summer 2010

 

[TheMailMan78]

im no expert on this matter or video cards but...

something tells me both ATI's and NV's next gen cards will blow the doors off the current gen cards.

why would i say this?

being an owner of a current 40nm gpu gave me hints.
ask yourself this question...if you were to put the 4770 on a 256-bit bus (doubling its bandwidth)where would it fall in the current ATI line-up in terms of performance.
then add 400 or so SP's...now where would it fall in terms of performance?
then increase the stock clocks core and ram 200+MHz...now where or how far past the others would it be?

simply putting the 4770 on a 256-bit bus imo it would compete with the 4870/90 cards directly, maybe trade blows. but when you give it a total of 1200 SP's or w/e the new number is...along with that 256-bit bus and clock up the core/ram....its nothing short of blowing the doors off the current gen lineup.

just my 2 cents.
the fact that a 40nm 128-bit bus gpu can hold its on agianst most of the current gen 256-bit bus cards is a tell tell sign.

You need to list your specs.

 

[jaydeejohn]

Imagine a 2cored/seen as one, no AFR card with the layout as tastegw said, tho with 800 sp per core, or 1200-1600 total

 

[tastegw]

You need to list your specs.

specs of what? my pc specs can be found in my sig

Imagine a 2cored/seen as one, no AFR card with the layout as tastegw said, tho with 800 sp per core, or 1200-1600 total

would be nice to see this.

 

[TheMailMan78]

specs of what? my pc specs can be found in my sig



would be nice to see this.

You should enter them under your name. Its easier to see what you are talking about. Also did you draw that girl?

 

[tastegw]

You should enter them under your name. Its easier to see what you are talking about. Also did you draw that girl?

nope, didnt draw the girl.

and ya, last i checked my specs are listed under my name, but i dont have enough posts for it to be seen. edit this again, i didnt have that "show" box checked, its fixed now

 

[TheMailMan78]

nope, didnt draw the girl.

Meh. Here I was about to compliment ya.

 

[tastegw]

Meh. Here I was about to compliment ya.

i lost my drawing skills many years ago, its not like riding a bike. if you dont continue practicing your skills, you lose them. but the basics you never lose. i can however still paint...not sure why i cant draw anymore.

 

[TheMailMan78]

i lost my drawing skills many years ago, its not like riding a bike. if you dont continue practicing your skills, you lose them. but the basics you never lose. i can however still paint...not sure why i cant draw anymore.

You never lose it my friend. You just need to give it a nudge. Anyway I see your specs now. I like the rig but the GPU is lacking IMO.

 

[tastegw]

You never lose it my friend. You just need to give it a nudge. Anyway I see your specs now. I like the rig but the GPU is lacking IMO.

gpu is lacking for the setup, when i was building out my rig i was just a tad short on cash, it was either this nice 24" 1920x1200 monitor + a 4770 or a 295 + i stick with my 19" monitor.

it was an easy choice for me, the games i play are not very demanding so i decided to go with the nicer monitor.

i did however have 3x 4770's at one time for benching, but now my mobo + ram are showing signs of age (weird i know since they are only a few months old)
i will need to replace them both if i were to upgrade anything. my mobo has a dead pci slot and the audio portion is all jacked up, and my ram cant be ran at its rated speeds anymore. (and i never RMA because of the down time, it was my doing anyway, pushing this cheap stuff too hard i guess)

i was planning on rebuilding when the i9 came out, but that all depends on its price.
until then i have no reason to buy anything, even with my busted up junk. i cant bench anymore with this rig so upgrading my gpu now would not make sense (benching is the only reason i have a i7)

 

[a_ump]

hmmm, I wish we could have some damn benches lol. its august and i honestly thought that the cards would be released by the end of this month. I'm getting my paycheck this thursday, so 2 days away for $400 with taxes out already. I'm leaning towards an HD 4890 or GTX 275.....but dam if these will release in oct 9th wonder if i should wait. eh wth i'll buy now and by then i'll have even more cash so probly buy again ^_^.

i hate the wait of new hardware, anticipation is godly. If they had an engineering sample, i'd pay $100 just to see the benchmarks lol.

 

[1Kurgan1]

AMD is o nthe move, 965 will be out soon, hopefully see news of 5xxx cards.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

i GUESS THERE IS ONE THING I WANT ON THE 5XXX'S
Lets start with 1 gig cards and make 2gigs mostly standard,were not gonna see DX11 for awhile and it may turn out to be a memory hog, plus since this is going to be a future card

 

[1Kurgan1]

i GUESS THERE IS ONE THING I WANT ON THE 5XXX'S
Lets start with 1 gig cards and make 2gigs mostly standard,were not gonna see DX11 for awhile and it may turn out to be a memory hog, plus since this is going to be a future card

Yeah, we need to start seeing 2gb cards, made me pretty mad when GTA IV told me I could play with all settings maxed, except view distance couldn't go above 50% as I didn't have enough video memory on my 4870x2

 

[Sonido]

Just because a core is designed off of an older design doesn't mean it will only be a marginal performance increase. C2D was based off of the Pen' III, and you cannot compare it, even if the 'Core' line were single core, to the Pen' III's. Clock-for-Clock, 'Core' arch' destroys the Pentium III's arch'. More transistors = more power; More ROPs = more power. It's a smaller and more power efficient design.

 

[KainXS]

Another fun little fact is that 32 rops on a 256bit bus has never been done before, it will be really nice to see if GDDR5 is a limitation there

 

[Sonido]

Another fun little fact is that 32 rops on a 256bit bus has never been done before, it will be really nice to see if GDDR5 is a limitation there

Wish they went 512, but it was done to be cost effective. GDDR5 is a big leap ahead, even from GDDR4. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Anath]

Wish they went 512, but it was done to be cost effective. GDDR5 is a big leap ahead, even from GDDR4. We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh the anticipation for benchmarks is a real killer

 

[AltecV1]

the 5800 series should have 1 giga memory standard

 

[newconroer]

I'm not too fussed really.

I don't see how with the same architecture(which is at it's roots the same as it's been for years now for both Nvidia and ATi), is going to yield performance gains where it really counts, when the GPUs are still bound by the limitation of the program/software.

I.e. Tessalation from DX11 is meant to allow a lot more strain to be put on the GPU as opposed to the CPU. This would, as an example, make games with lots of character and object draw(usually processed by the CPU), become less likely to cause noticeable frame rate drops and or performance stuttering/hitching.

Lots of games will soar even on mid-range hardware, yet when they get into that CPU/GPU tug of war, it all comes crashing down.

Saying a new card has 50% performance, while under the same architecture, is the same as two of the current cards performing at their peak potential under Crossfire or SLI(provided the software scales 100%).

That doesn't do anything for us, because we know that neither Crossfire/SLI scales 100%, nor do GPUs actually run at 100% due to the CPUs involvement in the rendering.



However you could take a different architecture, and in tandem with the CPU, performance didn't increase on the top end(i.e. maximum frames) but it would improve on the minimum frames.


We won't know until we actually test it, and that's the unfortunate bit. All these cards just keep making paper promises, but their value is not universal, nor is it ever close to the hype.

 

[a_ump]

of course it's all speculation/rumors, that's all we have to go off of. Though most rumors on hardware are usually 75% accurate, with some specs being off. The rumors for the HD 4870 said 480spu's, that'd be bomb if the HD 5870 was the same case having like 1400-1600 spu's instead . The architecture may be based off previous ones, but there can be big differences. Like nvidia's GT200 is based off of G92, but it has much more SPU's as well as those being revised SPU's. I hope ATI not only has increased them but also revised them to perform better compared to HD 4870's SPU's. twice the ROP's i think is what is going to contribute to a major performance increase. i wanna see engineering sample's reviewed already damit!!!! :lol:

 

[tastegw]

what do the ROP's do anyways

 

[a_ump]

haven't a clue , ima google it