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i dont know, if someone already posted it, but i found especially the pictures interesting ;)
Zero-Defect Wafers,32nm SOI and 28nm bulk pics

had never read that before. This is great for AMD, as owning 30% of GF will help them out. I really do hope GF is doing this good, at least then if AMD/ATI do something complex with a GPU we can have more confidence(so will ATi) that yields will still be good.
 
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had never read that before. This is great for AMD, as owning 30% of GF will help them out. I really do hope GF is doing this good, at least then if AMD/ATI do something complex with a GPU we can have more confidence(so will ATi) that yields will still be good.

if thats true,what they state here, probably no messups due to errors in the design of the silicone, will happen, with hecatoncheires and probably, other chips AMD/ATI will produce;)
 
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if thats true,what they state here, probably no messups due to errors in the design of the silicone, will happen, with hecatoncheires and probably, other chips AMD/ATI will produce;)
Can’t wait for that Ancient Greek Monster to get released into the wild with a nice RED ATI logo plastered all over it. :toast:
 
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Can’t wait for that Ancient Greek Monster to get released into the wild with a nice RED ATI logo plastered all over it. :toast:

i know what you feel... i feel the same!:p
 
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So, I keep reading rumors about "SP cores". If I'm reading it right, each "SP core" would have everything from a 5770 chip but without the 64-bit memory controllers.
 
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I think the major difference between Northern Islands and Hecatoncheires is Hecatoncheires may be based on MIMD shaders where as Northern Islands may be based on SMID shaders probably designed to be a lot more efficient than Evergreen. Both still being based on a completely brand new built from the ground up architectural monster of a design. :D
 
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I think the major difference between Northern Islands and Hecatoncheires is Hecatoncheires may be based on MIMD shaders where as Northern Islands may be based on SMID shaders probably designed to be a lot more efficient than Evergreen. Both still being based on a completely brand new built from the ground up architectural monster of a design. :D

so your saying you "think" they could be different shader designed chips based on the new architecture? lol i gotta say i disagree...that's pretty much saying ATI would be doing 2 diff architectures right now...highly doubtful
 
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so your saying you "think" they could be different shader designed chips based on the new architecture? lol i gotta say i disagree...that's pretty much saying ATI would be doing 2 diff architectures right now...highly doubtful
You hit the nail on the head ;) That is what I think according to my extensive research on the matter :)
 
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You hit the nail on the head ;) That is what I think according to my extensive research on the matter :)

Go buy a spy kit and sneak your butt into AMD HQ and get some real dirt! You live right by them! :laugh: From all I've read so far, I believe southern islands will be a bit better than 5870 but with much better tesselation. I have no doubts that Northern Islands will use a different archetecture (different shaders) than Cypress or Southern Islands. We won't really know anything about Northern Islands (save fab process, things like that) until we see SI.


Secretly, what I really want to see is CUDA support while retaining what they already support. That way, any program, any game or application, will work fully featured and I won't have to base purchasing decisions off of that, just price/performance.
 
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Go buy a spy kit and sneak your butt into AMD HQ and get some real dirt! You live right by them! :laugh: From all I've read so far, I believe southern islands will be a bit better than 5870 but with much better tesselation. I have no doubts that Northern Islands will use a different archetecture (different shaders) than Cypress or Southern Islands. We won't really know anything about Northern Islands (save fab process, things like that) until we see SI.


Secretly, what I really want to see is CUDA support while retaining what they already support. That way, any program, any game or application, will work fully featured and I won't have to base purchasing decisions off of that, just price/performance.
Good point, maybe I will pay them a visit once again. Really I am about 20min drive away from the ATI headquarters in Markham, ON. Though the building now has a BIG AMD log on the top. :D
 
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just put on a ski mask and run up in there, they'll never know its you. put on a spray painted "I LOVE AMD, LET'S KEEP SHITTING NVIDIA" shirt also, should do the trick :D.
 
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oha that woud be very :laugh:
 
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ATI HD 6870 - any leaks, info?

This has probably been talked to death, however, does anyone have information about specs and release date?

The latest information I have is Q4 release date, probably December, in time for the Christmas buying season.
 

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I still say Q2 FY 2011
 
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Thank you.

I have read from at least somewhat reliable sources that Q1 was the target release date. More recently December of this year.

Also of interest, the video card is supposed to be new architecture, however, details are few and sketchy.
 
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This has probably been talked to death, however, does anyone have information about specs and release date?

The latest information I have is Q4 release date, probably December, in time for the Christmas buying season.

Just a note: Evergreen, according to the Anand article, didn't need to have a second revision but they decided to do it anyway. It has been a while since ATI needed 3 revisions to get retail ready silicone. I believe November sounds like a good bet.


The Demerjian Conjecture, extrapolating Southern Islands' Timeline

With the recent news of ATI's upcoming GPU family in the works, and nVidia desperately trying to salvage Fermi dies from a seemingly flawed design, I thought it prudent to apply the same (nearly spot on) logic to Southern Isalnds, that was applied to estimating a release date for nVidias troubled launch. We shall call this the Demerjian Conjecture for the purpose of this post.

It has been reported that ATI's upcoming Southern Islands GPU has taped out. This article was posted April 21, 2010 and while it is possible the tape-out was completed days, or even a week or two prior to the announcement, we'll use the Apr 21 date as a worst case scenario here.

Source of following numbers.

Once tape-out has occured it is on to the 6-8 week process (we'll call it 7 weeks) to run the first design through TSMC's machines and get back the first 'hot lot'.

If everything works the first time around, production silicon can start to be produced. This process takes 10-12 weeks (we'll call it 11 weeks) to get parts back.

Once production silicon is recieved it takes approximately 2 more weeks to slap it on a board, box it up and ship it out.

This gives us a best case scenario of 20 weeks from April 21st to the public, hard-launch of a Southern Islands board(s). (This would be the second week of September 2010 for those counting)

Assuming all is not perfect the first time around however and a respin is necessary to fix some errors, boost clock rates, improve yields, etc... each spin costs another 8 weeks to produce.

It has been posted in these forums that some believe the launch variant of Cypress to be the A13 stepping of the GPU core. This would seem to indicate that two respins were necessary after the initial 'hot lot' was received.

If we assume that S.I. will also require 2 metal layer revisions before it is ready for retail production, that would push our launch date back by another 16 weeks to the very last week of December 2010, missing Christmas.

If the worst happens and a base layer respin should be necessary, that would well over a quarter to pull off, we'll give it a value of 16 weeks for this example (a quarter is 13 weeks)

Now, from all the above we arrive at the following simple equation:

Demerjian Conjecture:
GPU Launch Week = t + 8(r) + 16(b) + 20

Where: t = tape out date week, r = the number of metal layer revision required, and b = the number of base layer respins required.

So, using our equation, assuming 2 metal layer revisions before launch (same as Cypress) and knowing that April 21st would be Week 16 we arrive at the following:

GPU Launch Week = 16 + 8(2) + 16(0) + 20 = 52 (Last week in December)


Since this will be essentially the third generation of GPU's produced on the 40nm process at TSMC, perhaps we can assume that ATI has a good grip on the process by now and will be able to produce S.I. with only 1 metal layer revision before production. This would yield:

GPU Launch Week = 16 + 8(1) + 16(0) + 20 = 44 (First week of November)

So to Recap:

No revisions (A11): 2nd week September, 2010 [20 weeks]
1 Revision (A12): 1st week November, 2010 [28 weeks]
2 Revisions (A13): Last week of December, 2010 [36 weeks]
 
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AMD/ATI moving with Northern Islands new tech design for Q4 2010 or Q1 2011.
If and when AMD/ATI release a Southern Islands (Evergreen Revision) we should see something in around June 2010 to Sept 2010. Just like the HD 4870 and its revision HD 4890 IMO.

IMO, reason for this is because of the crappy 32nm process that has been scrapped and NVIDIA's crappy Fermi performance. IMO AMD needs to keep performance over and above NVIDIA and keep as much pressure on them as possible.
 
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If they release the 6xxx series in Q4 2010 or Q1 2011, I'm guessing there would have to be some serious price cuts in the 5xxx series. Or else the 6xxx series will be quite expensive.
 
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If they release the 6xxx series in Q4 2010 or Q1 2011, I'm guessing there would have to be some serious price cuts in the 5xxx series. Or else the 6xxx series will be quite expensive.

This is what I find most troubling about Fermi being so marginal. There's very little price pressure on ATI right now, 5850's are still selling well over MSRP, even the 5830 which received mixed reception is still selling at MSRP. It all adds up to 5xxx parts selling for $50-150 more than their 4xxx counterparts, which were all priced quite aggressively. Good for AMD, which needs the higher margins but bad for consumers.
 
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This is what I find most troubling about Fermi being so marginal. There's very little price pressure on ATI right now, 5850's are still selling well over MSRP, even the 5830 which received mixed reception is still selling at MSRP. It all adds up to 5xxx parts selling for $50-150 more than their 4xxx counterparts, which were all priced quite aggressively. Good for AMD, which needs the higher margins but bad for consumers.

well of course it is lol it's performance is like 7-11% better than the HD 5770, which can be had for $149. Hardly smart to purchase an HD 5830 haha

And yep, AMD def needs to release their next gen ASAP, their name isn't known well enough to really even play the game of "milk current gen for cash while we're ahead". They need to literally bury nvidia in performance so their name can get out there and be known.
 
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This is what I find most troubling about Fermi being so marginal. There's very little price pressure on ATI right now, 5850's are still selling well over MSRP, even the 5830 which received mixed reception is still selling at MSRP. It all adds up to 5xxx parts selling for $50-150 more than their 4xxx counterparts, which were all priced quite aggressively. Good for AMD, which needs the higher margins but bad for consumers.

Have you seen the starting price of the 5970? What, isn't MSRP suppose to be $600?

I don't think you can find a new one for less than $700 and then, not to mention, that they have all these uber special 4GB super duper 5970s coming. I don't even what to know what they will list for. AIB partners must be making a killing of those things. No wonder XFX wasn't too interested in making a GTX 4xx card.
 
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If they release the 6xxx series in Q4 2010 or Q1 2011, I'm guessing there would have to be some serious price cuts in the 5xxx series. Or else the 6xxx series will be quite expensive.

Of course there would be price cuts for the 5xxx series. They don't want their own cards to compete with each other. :p
 
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I have given serious consideration to purchasing an HD 5870, however, my monitor has a native resolution of 1360x768, not taxing at all.

My current video card is a factory overclocked HD 4890 and it blows away almost every game I have, in fact, I cap COD 4 at 120fps to keep server load down. I benchmarked COD 4 on an empty map and got 117 minimum fps and just under 700 fps maximum.

The only game [or near-simulator] that does not produce the frame rates that I would like is Microsoft FSX, and anyone running that game knows it requires a fast computer, if you want all the goodies turned to maximum while close to the ground at a very populated areas/airports.

Also, more DX 11 PC games [non-ported...] may actually be here and HD 6xxx should have enough power to play them at fast [acceptable] frame rates. [Note to ATI: Get drivers ready quickly for new and old games.]

That being said, I believe I will wait until the HD 6xxx cards are out before upgrading. If the economy and national/world debt increase any release of GPUs based on ~32nm to ~22nm may be pushed back by everyone but Intel, and they have a long way to go to catch up with ATI or Nvidia's video performance.

And, thank you for the great responses.
 
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That is what I am doing, waiting for the HD 6800 series. For now my HD 4870 Crossfire setup is going me good :D And by the time solid DX11 titles get released, the HD 6800's will follow close behind.
 

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Just finished reading this thread from start to finish. I'm planning a complete rebuild mid next year once I finish uni and am gainfully employed again. *grin* I'm glad I'll have some brand new technology to drool over and research before making my purchases.

I'm really glad to see ATI doing so well in the graphics market but am unhappy with the lack of competition due to pricing. I can't help but be happy though, I can't stand the way nVidia do business these days. At the same time I'm always going to buy the hardware that gives me the best price to performance no matter who the manufacturer.

Enough time wasting, need to get this assignment on fire ecology finished.
 
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