B580 tanks performance with low end CPUs

[eidairaman1]

Not sure to be honest. It's being worked on. Solaris17 mentioned it on the first page of this thread and that was in January.

Those with core i 10/11 can only hope so, also what about the Ryzens of that Era too

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have a Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE - Ryzen 3700X - 4x8GB CL16 3200 combo not in use. I'll get it setup with latest 11 pro and the Odyssey B580 and see how it goes.

 

[BlueBee]

I have a Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE - Ryzen 3700X - 4x8GB CL16 3200 combo not in use. I'll get it setup with latest 11 pro and the Odyssey B580 and see how it goes.

Good luck bud, very similar to one of my systems, I was going to get the Intel B580 for it but grabbed a 16GB Pulse 9060xt for £320 quid on launch day instead. The B580`s seem to have really dropped in price recently, at least at Overclockers where they`re down at £240

 

[chrcoluk]

I think I remember some time ago some people were requesting that when hardware is tested, that the entire build should match the expected component mix, but most reviewers rejected the idea as too time consuming and they they felt they should always use the best hardware possible in rest of system as they feel its wrong to gimp what they reviewing.

Well these revelations kind of show the merits of using an expected build with the product that is being reviewed.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

I think I remember some time ago some people were requesting that when hardware is tested, that the entire build should match the expected component mix, but most reviewers rejected the idea as too time consuming and they they felt they should always use the best hardware possible in rest of system as they feel its wrong to gimp what they reviewing.

Well these revelations kind of show the merits of using an expected build with the product that is being reviewed.

There should be an something like the average steam build consisting of a some x thread cpu & the most used graphics card as the baseline for performance. the "100%. point."

 

[iameatingjam]

There should be an something like the average steam build consisting of a some x thread cpu & the most used graphics card as the baseline for performance. the "100%. point."

I think both have value honestly, I mean if you want to really get the idea of what a gpu can do, not just what it can do in its most likely configuration, you can't have other components holding it back, it kinda defeats the purpose, because what if you decide to upgrade your whole system except the gpu, right?

At the same time, if you ignore the fact that lower end GPUs are going to be run on lower end systems you end up missing things like b580s CPU overhead issue or the 8 lane 8gb cards (like the 4060/ti/5060/ti and 7600) weakness on pcie 3/ddr4 systems.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

At the same time, if you ignore the fact that lower end GPUs are going to be run on lower end systems you end up missing things like b580s CPU overhead issue

Having the highest CPU overhead was something those of us using Alchemist already knew about and documented. I think it was us ARC owners asking if the issue was fixed on Gandalf/Battle Mage that led to Hardware Canucks testing it.

Good luck bud, very similar to one of my systems, I was going to get the Intel B580 for it but grabbed a 16GB Pulse 9060xt for £320 quid on launch day instead. The B580`s seem to have really dropped in price recently, at least at Overclockers where they`re down at £240

I would have made the same call. The Pulse is a great pick at that price.

I am going to start setting up the test bed now, and download Spiderman Miles Morales to see how bad it bottlenecks. It ran smooth with a 5600X3D+B550i. Though it hit as high as 98% CPU usage for a second here and there swinging fast near the street on Broadway with crowds and traffic maxed.

 

[mechtech]

Poor W1zz will have to test with the oldest 4 core supported by win11 and down clocked at 2GHz now to see what’s the best upgrade for potato PCs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

as they feel its wrong to gimp what they reviewing.

This. Absolutely correct.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Poor W1zz will have to test with the oldest 4 core supported by win11 and down clocked at 2GHz now to see what’s the best upgrade for potato PCs.

Just a disclaimer that the hardware may not perform the same on older hardware is fine especially in scenarios where gpu makers really skimp on the pcie lanes.

There's also testing by other outlets already negating how necessary it is for tpu to do the same testing.

At the same time testing different pcie bandwidth with the fastest available gaming cpu and latest memory isn't representative of people actually using platforms locked to older standards making it mostly useless testing.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Poor W1zz will have to test with the oldest 4 core supported by win11 and down clocked at 2GHz now to see what’s the best upgrade for potato PCs.

- Feels like a fun article actually.

It's gotta get boring running cards through their paces on the 9800X3d beast, let's see where the lower bounds of playability are!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I used 1080p high first in Miles Morales, which is the settings Aussie Steve uses in Spiderman Remastered. I was seeing as low as 72% GPU usage and it rarely got past mid 80s. With RT reflections on GPU went down to 50-65%. XeSS does not help because it is all CPU bottleneck. PCIe 3.0 may be playing a part too. Not like it isn't playable as FPS was in the 70s-110s, but the B580 is capable of much more than that.

To clarify: Those fps were for 1080 high.

I made things harder yet and recorded almost 15 minutes using Xbox game bar. Then turned on RT reflections, then added XeSS quality at 1440.

Swinging fast near the streets in the part of the game where it is snowing heavily it could go into the 40s fps. I will check the video for the exact time, but it froze for a good 10 seconds while I could see assets loading in as the 3700X struggled to keep up.

For CPU heavy games + RT + recording, it is on the struggle bus for certain. I'll nuke the ARC drivers and test with the 3060 12GB under the same conditions but with ShadowPlay, to see if there is a significant difference in GPU utilization. I could use game bar again, but apples to apples isn't the goal here. Because if recording on ARC with 3rd party is more CPU demanding than the competition with their in house solutions, that's arguably another reason to go with either green or red for older builds.