Discussion in 'TechPowerUp Club Forum' started by TheMailMan78, Feb 2, 2011.
I maybe durnkszx right now.....
I now have a folder just for Dave in my recordings.
Yeah jets obviously harder than choppers tho generally and BC2 was a totally different animal in terms of tank shells hitting air vehicles. A lot easier to do. I can't explain why exactly...
I just got a jet tonight actually tho but another slow mover and Wake again. He flew right down through my MBT crosshair; if I'd missed that one it would been a fail.
I flipped a tank...
My dart is better then your dart...I couldn't even finished...I was "asked to leave" following a !kick command lol
Tried to play around 2:57 am and got this screen:
Password didn't work...
Restart your PC..I've heard of this happening, should work after restart (no idea why)
Restart and same thing:
Tried to contact Origin help:
I had the same problem. And when I could log in it would time out. Then it would work for a while. Then again....I gave up. Ill try later
Can anyone explain this server? lol
The first link I noticed from Jetsters Battlefeed, he got a ton of vehicle unlocks, but 0 kills and almost everyone in the server is at 0 kills and a ton of points. Just went back and looked at the server right now, exact samething, bunch of people with 0 kills, think I'm gonna join it and see what the hell is going on here. How do you have a server full of deaths with 0 kills?
Just joined and spawned as Engi and helicopter starts floating past my head, I fire my SMAW and instant it hits the chopper, I don't even see an explosion, I'm just kicked with the above warning. I don't even think I got credit for the kill... Rejoined again and observed, just noobs flying around in choppers swapping caps for easy upgrades, blew another chopper out of the sky with an RPG and got booted, but the kill appeared, lol, very entertaining. I think I'm going to favorite this server as a stress relief.
Difference though is he was killing people with the Dart on Kharg and half the round time
Deserves a ban imo.
Why the hell are you guys actually using that glitched shit? You know what the fuck it does; there's a video.
While surely no one really gives a shit what I think--I am disappoint.
Kurgan looks like some crazy non-combat padding or something... :/
THe Dart, while it can be annoying, im my opinion, is not "broken" or "glitched".
It's just damn powerful.
Don't complain about my tactics to me. Complain to DICE who enabled them.
I am using the DART quite often, but not as a primary weapon. Close range, multiple guys...or TPU'ers at a distance.
I got swapped to the other team last night, tried hunting the TPU'ers down, and when I did run into them, it took more than one dart round to kill them. Howewver, it did work quite successfully.
Dave, so your saying dart rounds killing at 40 - 50 yards in a single shot isn't broken or glitched? I shouldn't have to even ask that question, lol. It's clear they are, DICE already said it's getting fixed next patch, and you don't fix something that isn't broke or glitched. Darts suppose to have less power than Buckshot, but more cutting power, and the normal MASS rounds aren't even close by comparison. Darts better at every range and every scenario by a ton.
With how I play(rushing into the enemy as much as possible), I find that the MASS is different from the DART only in effective range, and that's only with about 50m of distance in-game.
I can't hit the board side of a barn at a distance with the dart. Well, I can hit people, but it takes 3-5 shots to kill someone, assuming that they all land, but most do not. typically, it takes me about a clip and a half to kill someone with the DART.
I actually kill easier with the MASS, but with that, I'm not trying to push the limits of the distance I try for.
Is it a bit OP? You bet. Am I a bad guy for investigating things for myself? No. So come off the high horse. I'm not about to just accept someone's opinion on the internet, from some video, without checking it out for myself.
And to do that, I'm using the dart. Maybe 30 kills. What's the big deal? Look, 70-some odd kills, using all ammos:
Personally, because it's proven to be relatively useless given my own tactics, I do not really see it as broken. I have higher accuracy with the SMAW and RPG-7.
If you are rushing, that will be the only difference, the MASS will kill at longer ranges. But right now it doesn't, the Dart is better in every regard, and I found the math as to why.
34 damage a pellet, x 12 pellets, thats 409 damage if you connect with all, and those pellets slice through people. I mean honestly, that amount of damage is almost a joke. Are you using the broken guns with the Dart, or are you just using any gun? It has to be underslung, thats what breaks it, an underslung Dart > a normal Dart, it's broken, and badly, otherwise the damage wouldn't vary between those 2.
I'm not on a high horse here, don't accuse me of being so. I'm just saying I've done the research for this, I've tried it myself just to see. Based on comparison to non-underslung DART vs underslung DART, there isn't a comparison, that says glitched. Based on real life figures on how shotguns work (no BF isn't real life, but they aren't going to make flechette sniper rounds), and based on it vs any other shotgun in the game. As far as I can find out right now, the 870 with flechettes does 171 damage (240 with buckshot, so even the M26 DART does almost 2x of the 870 Buckshot) if you land every single one on your target. It just seems pretty clear that an underslung (this is a backup weapon for the kit) shouldn't be doing 3x the damage of the hardest hitting main shotgun in the game. I understand that you may only have 70 kills with it, but I don't think your trying to use it in a broke way. Look at Chaotics game he linked, it was an hour long round (and he got booted who knows when) and he got 98 kills in that single round with it. It's a broken weapon, no if ands or butts. But like I said, if your not using it as underslung, then it isn't broken, and thats why you would think it isn't.
Dude, please don't take me too seriously. Sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm. Sorry if i gave the wrong impression.
But 1kurgan1, of course I can only speak for my own uses.
And yes, using the G3A3, and underslung. It just isn't that effective for me. I am not sure why, but yeah, I do not see it as THAT broken yet.
Like I said, yep, it's a bit OP, but i don't feel it's that much. The stopping power it offers, to me, and my uses, jsut isn't effective enough. THe G3A3 serves me better.
And yeah, I'm playing with it, investigating. LuLz. MY point was, really, that regardless of posted opinions, and that video, it just doesn't work like that for me, when used in situations where it normally would be...by me.
I still have to spend some time with the other underslung options, and see how it works out, but until then, no I am not going to stop using the dart, at all.
That could very well be it...my play style may prevent me from using it "effectively". THe comment about Chaotic is funny..he's got twice the SPM that I do, so clearly we play very differently, or he's hacking. He's not the example I'd chose.
Your own investigations are useless to me. I don't play like ANYONE else does out of the regulars that are on the BF3 TS, so how I use things is going to be different. At the same time, me not blindly accepting popular opinion, even if DICE agrees with that opinion, is my own choice. Like, don't take it personal, but I like to see things for myself, and make my own conclusions.
I understand that your saying it's not broken in regards to your play style, I'm saying that doesn't mean it isn't broken, which you had made it sound like that was your opinion earlier. Thats like saying my tire isn't broken because I don't mind driving on all flats. The view of it being broken isn't the viw of a few, it's the view of many, there are so many videos of it now, servers and booting people for using it, posts are being made. And the fact that it works completely differently being underslung that it does when not underslung. It should work the same despite which way you have it setup in your kit, if it doesn't something is broken.
It's more than possible that something on my end isn't working right.
The thing for me, is that if the stories are true, at no point, with 34 damage per dart, should it take 4 shots for me to kill someone with it. That's impossible. Yet that's exactly what happened last night...hit Mailman 4 times before he fell.
Now, up close, 100%, it's overpowered(mowing down 6 enemies with one shot). But, at the same time, so is the MASS, to me, when used in the same config, yet very few mention the MASS as being broken.
Why is that?
Then there's the weapons that have become TOTALLY useless.
There's a fair bit wrong about the weapon balance at this point, and I find it worse overall than it was before. It's merely the choice of weapons that are "broken" that has changed, and the use of those "broken" weapons greatly affects the way people play...which to me, makes it not broken. DOn't forget it was other weapons liek the L85A2 that peopel were complaining about before. I don't/didn't see that one getting people banned...
As far as I am concerned, if DICE really wanted to fix it, it would take a few minutes for them to make a patch. It's one weapon. But instead, they are leaving it as is for now...why? I mean, we all know that when that patch does come, it'll just be some OTHER weapon, instead of the DART.
guys just in general the DART is bugged and glitched. Maybe not in its power, but at range yeah. They need to drop the effective range of it by a lot. I was even trying the USAS for my first time on seine crossing last night and I was able to kill a guy from pretty far away and I thought that was a bit much. There is a reason why a lot of games purposely made the shotguns not have much range, because otherwise it was be very unbalanced and overpowered. Shotguns shouldn't have much range, especially the dart.
and L85A2 is still broken, just most ppl are to ignorant to know the proper setup
4x Acog on the L85A2 if you spawn do a few things right you then end up with a weapon thats 100% accurate from the Hip with no bullet deviation all rounds hit the exact same spot,
Dart may be broken but heres the kicker,
if Dice stopped fucking with the weapons and left them all lethal well their wouldnt be much of a problem, issue is they try to make everyone different even tho it doesnt need to be, they have weapons in no way setup like real life thing so as far as im concerned their weapon balance is broken not the weapons themselves,
M93R real live RPM 1100
M93R in game 900
M60 600-650 in game 580
MG36 vs G36C MG36 due heavier barrel in short bursts should be more accurate but its not,
weapon balance as a whole is fucked, DICE just keeps swapping what weapons are OP
first it was the PDW's and the UMP back during Beta, then Engineer weapons were kinda OP even compared to ARs they have a better TTK (time to kill) they get nerfed a bit now its the mass,
as for shotguns, depends on the gun, but 30 yards aka 90 feet will in most cases = death, something like an 870 its probably closer to 40-50 yards it would drop someone, in Battlefield of course thats not the case,
even if its 30 yards in game all the people ive killed with the Mass have been withing 30 yards, so in retrospect yes the Mass SHOULD kill them, but then again its a game and they balance shit,
USAS or Saiga less effective range vs the 870 but even at close range still takes more rounds to kill some, usually 1 or 2 vs 3-4 when in real life thats not the case buckshot is buckshot slugs are slugs the weapons at their usual effective ranges would both be lethal,
eitherway nothing new blah blah BF3 is broken lulz trollface
Essentially if you mix and match the right attachments you can break almost any weapon dont know why ppl bitch so much about the Mass, all weapons are broken lulz if you know what to look for, im just way to lazy to bother, thus why i still suck
MY point, really, is that it's NOT the DART that is broken.
The DART and the "normal" MASS, are considered the same weapon in battlelog.
So, I play with "MASS" ammo, not dart, for just 5 minutes, and look at the results:
My accuracy has gone UP.
THe whole BS about it being the DART is people not recognizing how it works. The problem is is M26 MASS itself, and all the DART does is increase it's effective range. The DART part isn't BROKEN!!!
The M26 MASS is.
I used to see this on BF2 all the time. Actually I participated once. Pretty boring, but it does serve it's purpose if you are just wanting points.
Well Dave I am kind of surprised to hear you say your accuracy and such sucks to that degree cause I see you on the top of your team often and yeah there are many ways to score points but hard to do when you're losing firefights all the time.
And as far as I have gathered it is glitched in range and damage as as far as I understand it when underslung it takes on the properties of the rest of the gun i.e. if using heavy barrel which can make it 6x more powerful. Or some shit like that. I may have my details confused but that is the gist. Feel free to correct me...
Nah, you know, really, I am not that good at gunning. Really. I am good at noticing enemy strategy, and take points when none is around, or with backup, when there are few.
You'll note my K/D is not positive. It's not far off an even 1-1, but i definitely die more than I kill.
The issue with the whole dart thing, is that the distinction needs to be made that the issue is not the dart option itself, but the whole M26 itself when underslung. It's not noticed with the frag or slug, because of the single shot, and not often with the MASS(shot) ammo, because of the limited range, but it's really not the DART option. The DART option does what it si supposed to, and increases the range and lowers the spread of the MASS(shot).
After a few rounds, people are now complaining about the MASS as well. One admin commented that they only ban for the DART, but i think the point is getting across.
ALso, the FRAG round is broken, too. But not in a "good" way.
I just sucks I have to use it to show people. Everyone is simply following the video's info, and ignoring the big picture about the source of the problem.
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