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Hi there, I'm looking at a temporary card to buy between these two as my other one has just failed. Being a 6670.
The options are a Gtx 950 Msi 2gb and a Gtx 770 Direct CUII 2Gb

950 priced at $60
770 Priced at $60
Both used but not for prolonged period.
Looking to buy a temporary card to last maybe 6-8 months until I can afford to buy a newer type!

My psu is a Antec 550w.
 

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The GTX770 definitely performs better than the GTX950. So I say GTX770.
 
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770 is a great card. I just sold mine but was able to run GTA V, Doom 2016, and other games at 1440P with medium settings. 770 is similar and in some cases slightly better than 960.
 
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How's the power consumption like? Does it chew through alot considering its not in the efficient line of card's? Also looking to play at1080p
 
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power and heat are ok on those cards. as far as gamming at 1080p you are looking at a solid 60fps+ at medium settings. its a really good card at the price your being offered it.

edit: im talking about the 770.
 

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Ok, how the numbers work, 770, 950. 7 and 9 are the Generation of cards they belong to, 70, and 50 are the performance brackets, 70 is a mid range and 50 is a entry/lowend.

If you want gaming performance its obvious to get the 770.
 
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How's the power consumption like? Does it chew through alot considering its not in the efficient line of card's? Also looking to play at1080p
Straight from nvidia's web site:

GTX 770:
Maximum GPU Temperature 98 C
Graphics Card Power 230 W
Minimum Recommended System Power 600 W
Supplementary Power Connectors One 8-pin and one 6-pin

GTX 950:
Maximum GPU Temperature 95 C
Graphics Card Power 90 W
Minimum Recommended System Power 350 W
Supplementary Power Connectors One 6-pins

Further Info:
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-770/specifications
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-950/specifications
 
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Okay, so it says 600 watt psu. So my Antec 550w VP won't be enough then?
 
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It'll be more than enough.
 
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550W should be enough.
 
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Okay, so it says 600 watt psu. So my Antec 550w VP won't be enough then?
I think they just exaggerated that. My previous old card GTX 260 required 500 W but I have 460 W and its max power 182 W. Used that card for 8 years.
Although, the +12V rail has to be enough for it.

http://store.antec.com/vpseries/vp550f.html#
Your PSU has 2 +12V rails, both 18A, that is 36A in total. I think that's enough?, but I will leave that for the pros to decide for you.
 
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I think they just exaggerated that. My previous old card GTX 260 required 500 W but I have 460 W and its max power 182 W. Used that card for 8 years.
Although, the +12V rail has to be enough for it.

http://store.antec.com/vpseries/vp550f.html#
Your PSU has 2 +12V rails, both 18A, that is 36A in total. I think that's enough?, but I will leave that for the pros to decide for you.
If one of the rail is dedicated for CPU and the other for GPU, it won't be good. One of the reason why almost all new PSUs have single big 12v rail.
Edit: just looked at the specifications page, by today's standard that particular PSU would be rated 450W. Nobody needs 120W of minor rails nowadays and it almost never counts toward to total wattage.
 
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Okay, so it won't be adequate then?
 
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Okay, so it won't be adequate then?
You have 2 identical 12V rails each one capable of 216W, no matter how you look at it you need one for CPU, and 770 could potentially overload the other, unless you undervolt and underclock it to be safe. The downsides of a multiple rail PSU is really showing here, where your CPU will never use remotely close to the wattage of one rail while GPU will overload the other.

Hold on a minute, after a few minutes of extra research it seems that Antec has copy pasted the 450W's power ratings, thus the 18A per rail applies to the 450W model, 550W model on the other hand, shows 30A per rail, according to Techpowerup's review page. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/VP550F/2.html
You're fine after all, get the 770 then!
 
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Oh my god, face palm Antec!
 
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Performance



Power



The card has One 8-pin (150 watts) and one 6-pin (75 watts) plus 75 watts thru the slot so the delivery system can carry 300 watts of power. The max measured capacity however is 220 wats in the TPU test, the test characteristics being as follows:

"Maximum: Furmark Stability Test at 1280x1024, 0xAA. This results in a very high no-game power-consumption that can typically be reached only with stress-testing applications. We report the highest single reading after a short startup period. Initial bursts during startup are not included, as they are too short to be relevant. "

AIB cards are capable of delivering more power, especially when overclocked. but as we don't know which one you are looking at, can not make a determination. Lets look at an example:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_770_gaming_review,5.html

They measured 197 watts and wrote:

"Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:
  • GeForce GTX 770 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.
  • GeForce GTX 770 2-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 750 Watt power supply unit as minimum.
  • GeForce GTX 770 3-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 1000 Watt power supply unit as minimum"
Now we have to examine the impact of overclocking ... a few pages later in that review, we see the card can have its power limit raised by 11%... so 197 x 1.11 = 219 watts... so that implies 22 extra watts. But if not OCing the card and given your CPU, a 550 should be fine. That being said, the VP series was Antec's Builder line ... in other words .... low end of low budget. Id be more comfy w/ a Seasonic S12 520 / Antec HCG 520 than I would with an Antec VP550. But again. don't see a real issue here with your other componentry.

The single vs multiple rail thing is not a real issue 99.9% of the time but internet posters just won't let t go

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3990

"The bottom line is, for 99% of the folks out there single vs. multiple +12V rails is a NON ISSUE. It's something that has been hyped up by marketing folks on BOTH SIDES of the fence. Too often we see mis-prioritized requests for PSU advice: Asking "what single +12V rail PSU should I get" when the person isn't even running SLI! Unless you're running a plethora of Peltiers in your machine, it should be a non-issue assuming that the PSU has all of the connectors your machine requires and there are no need for "splitters" (see Example 1 in the previous bullet point). "
 
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Okay, so it won't be adequate then?
It should work fine.
Just remember that the wattage listed on graphics card specifications are referring to the TDP (the amount of heat it may produce) and not the actual power draw of the card.
I would be surprised if a factory oc'ed GTX 770 used more than 125-150W because GK104 is not a power hog like the GK110 chips used on it's bigger brothers.

Also keep in mind that the GTX 770 is just a re-branded GTX 680.
 
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770 uses almost 3 times the power to get 20% more performance. Def not recommended over the 950 which is 2 architectures newer.
 
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770 uses almost 3 times the power to get 20% more performance. Def not recommended over the 950 which is 2 architectures newer.
GTX770 was basically an overclocked GTX680 which was a flagship card at the time. GTX950 meanwhile is build from ground up to be a budget card. It's not just 20% better performance, if you look at raw spec sheets from nvidia:

GTX 770: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-770/specifications
GTX 950: https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-950/specifications

You can see that GTX 770 have double the CUDA cores, almost triple the texture fill rate and double the memory bandwidth. In Crysis 3 for example even the fastest GTX 950 can't hold the candle on stock GTX770, the DirectCU II is even faster than that.
 
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770 uses almost 3 times the power to get 20% more performance. Def not recommended over the 950 which is 2 architectures newer.
Your interpretation of the facts is wrong. You can't look at that performance chart and compare the factory OC'd card (GTX 950 Gaming) to the stock clocked GTX 770. You should compare the the stock clocked GTX 950 (at 95%) to the GTX 770 (at 121%).
Secondly, there was no real 8th generation from Nvidia so the 700 and 900 chips are one generation apart.

The GTX 770 is faster, by 20%, but the GTX 950 is very power efficient.
The 7790 is ~40% faster than the 6670. The GTX 950 is ~35% faster than the 7790.
 

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@Dovah88 , get the GTX 770, your psu could handle it, pretty recommended to replace thermal paste on video card, take cooler shroud apart, clean it and give a try, that card is powerful enough to game ! do you know the model of the card? Gigabyte's 3x windforce one is a beast for OC, great temps but a bit noisy
 
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Your interpretation of the facts is wrong. You can't look at that performance chart and compare the factory OC'd card (GTX 950 Gaming) to the stock clocked GTX 770. You should compare the the stock clocked GTX 950 (at 95%) to the GTX 770 (at 121%).
Secondly, there was no real 8th generation from Nvidia so the 700 and 900 chips are one generation apart.

The GTX 770 is faster, by 20%, but the GTX 950 is very power efficient.
The 7790 is ~40% faster than the 6670. The GTX 950 is ~35% faster than the 7790.
He is the same user who said 1050ti is on the same performance level as a 970. He really seem to have a strong bias against older high end cards.
 
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If the price is exactly the same, and heat and power are of no consequence,& conditions were exact id say 770 . personally i would likely go with the newer video card ,simply because it's newer, it uses less power, creates less heat, and statistically is more likely to last longer. But if it's only a temporary thing the 770 has more power and is going to out perform the 950 .

I recently sold a GTX 750ti, which ran Grandtheft auto5 at 1200p perfectly acceptable, and had no additional power requirements over what was supplied by the motherboard , also generated very little heat , so little heat that I could run it with only the heat sink installed (which i did while running gta5). pictured below @ 45 'ish FPS high settings @ 1200p

 

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If the price is exactly the same, and heat and power are of no consequence,& conditions were exact id say 770 . personally i would likely go with the newer video card ,simply because it's newer, it uses less power, creates less heat, and statistically is more likely to last longer. But if it's only a temporary thing the 770 has more power and is going to out perform the 950 .
Totally acceptable and correct, but some people only claims newer is better cuz is new, and provide 0.0% facts, real data o decent responses, i personally like to get the best possible bang for the buck ! no matter if that means older cards, processor or so,
 
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