Better 3870/3850/2900xt/8800gt reviews @ VR-zone

[largon]

ATI generally has better image quality...

True except that X1950 and HD2900 series both had worse IQ than 8800GTS/X...

I have NEVER turned AA on, with ANY of my ATI cards and honestly barely if ever noticed any difference. I can't say the same for my many Nvidia's.

Are trying to say that on ATi 0xAA and 2xAA looks about the same / better than on nVIDIA?

 

[Wile E]

True except that X1950 and HD2900 series both had worse IQ than 8800GTS/X

I disagree with you on the 2900. But agree with you on the 19xx statement.

 

[Darknova]

I think you guys are forgetting two important things.

First, there has been no driver release since the 3870 was released. The 7.10's only have basic support for the 3870, and it WILL get better with the next few sets of driver releases. It's always the same with ATi.

Second, can any of you actually get hold of an 8800GT? Nope...didn't think so.

I'm not an ATi fanboi, but the 3870 is cheaper, and from one review I read (posted on the front page) it has more consistent FPS than the 8800GT and it has better IQ IMO.

I can't wait to see the 512Mb 8800GT, but if they again limit stocks then how exactly are you going to get hold of one hmm?

 

[largon]

Wile E,
CFAA on R600 is nothing short of horrible?

 

[Wile E]

Wile E,
CFAA on R600 is nothing short of horrible?

On early drivers? Absolutely. But not now. Although the performance drop is ridiculous. Good thing I prefer not to use AA most of the time.

 

[DarkMatter]

Depends on your opinion of midrange....
My idea of midrange is a card that can play any resolution with decent settings smoothly 30+ fps. In that case, no 256mb is not really holding it anymore.

If your opinion of midrange is a card that kinda gets you by with decent graphics in lower resolutions then sure its great.


As for the pics-
ATI generally has better image quality... Would not surprise me at all if it does, to the extent shown, who knows they all look pretty good to me.. People complaining about AA performance... I have NEVER turned AA on, with ANY of my ATI cards and honestly barely if ever noticed any difference. I can't say the same for my many Nvidia's.
I can still run 256mb cards myself because my gaming machines have 1280x1024 screens, and I still run into video ram issues off and on....

First of all, not a single card cheaper than 200-250 when at launch has been able to perform as you want in whole history!! So I quess that either you never got a "midrange card", or you buy 250+ cards as midrange, in wich case you could just buy 8800gt, HD2900xt, 8800gts ssc, 8800gtx... And not come crying into some forums asking for a developer to make wonders on the 150 price range!

Second, did you actually read the review wich this thread is about? Cause honestly, I would never dare to say the 3850 256MB isn't holding its ground, when is only 3-6 (10%) fps behind 512MB HD2900XT in every game thrown at it at 1920x1200 and mostly max ingame settings, especially since 668Mhz vs 743Mhz in core is pretty much the same difference. Now tell me, is 1920x1200 enought resolution for you? Because it still holds its ground pretty well at 2560x1600... Want more? Tell me a card that was able to do that in the sub 200 range. No. Yet better, tell me one that could do 1600x1200 on Oblivion or FEAR.

 

[largon]

HD38_0 vs. 8800GT Crysis image quality issue debunked:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557437&postcount=37

Essentially identical IQ on both cards:

HD38_0:

8800GT:

Not exact same positions but close enough to see they're effectively identical.

 

[DarkMatter]

HD38_0 vs. 8800GT Crysis image quality issue debunked:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557437&postcount=37

Essentially identical IQ on both cards:

HD38_0:

8800GT:

Not exact same positions but close enough to see they're effectively identical.

So I was right about LOD being the issue? LOL

 

[Wile E]

HD38_0 vs. 8800GT Crysis image quality issue debunked:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557437&postcount=37

Essentially identical IQ on both cards:

HD38_0:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7734/crysisiqhd38bs3.png

8800GT:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8640/crysisiqgf8800xr5.jpg

Not exact same positions but close enough to see they're effectively identical.

Not debunked. Well, completely, anyway. lol

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557576&postcount=48

 

[DarkMatter]

BTW niko084. I think the better midrange card is one that can play newer games on High, lower res, lower AA, rather than one that runs higher res/AA on Medium. So, yeah, I guess 8800GT 256MB, 3850 256MB are better midrange than say: 8600GTS 512 MB, HD2900gt 512MB, HD2900Pro 1GB, 8800GTS 320M and maybe even 8800GTS 640MB...

And you know why? Be prepared to know the truth. All those cards are slower at any resolution, because even if higher resolutions and AA need more memory, at the same time they need more shader and texture mapping power. And if you say but if X game uses bigger textures you need more Vram... Of course, but bigger textures need to be calculated too, so you need more TU power. And at this point in time seems that vram doesn't impact performance as much as GPU power does, at any resolution, so it's the GPU what it's bottlenecking the card not vram. And I have so many reviews out there backing me up that I won't bother posting a link. Google it.

 

[Wile E]

And can somebody tell me what LOD is? lol

 

[DarkMatter]

And can somebody tell me what LOD is? lol

LOD= Level Of Detail

It is a system implemented in games, so that when objects are far from you lower detail models are used and once you get close enough the high detail model is load up. Nowadays 3 or 4 levels used is the norm.

 

[Wile E]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, dark. I never actually heard it referred to as LOD, although I knew what level of detail was. Never connected it to "LOD".

 

[DarkMatter]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, dark. I never actually heard it referred to as LOD, although I knew what level of detail was. Never connected it to "LOD".

Always happy to help.

 

[cefurkan]

HD38_0 vs. 8800GT Crysis image quality issue debunked:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557437&postcount=37

Essentially identical IQ on both cards:

HD38_0:

8800GT:

Not exact same positions but close enough to see they're effectively identical.

they very much bro for showing the realities

all sites aims that ati has better IQ

but all of them is fake

 

[Wile E]

HD38_0 vs. 8800GT Crysis image quality issue debunked:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2557437&postcount=37

Essentially identical IQ on both cards:

HD38_0:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7734/crysisiqhd38bs3.png

8800GT:
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8640/crysisiqgf8800xr5.jpg

Not exact same positions but close enough to see they're effectively identical.

Bottom right corner looks different to me. I think the ATI renders the shadows better. Not a huge difference, but it's there.

Not enough to effect gameplay tho. I'd like to see some shots on the ground at various points.

 

[cefurkan]

Bottom right corner looks different to me. I think the ATI renders the shadows better. Not a huge difference, but it's there.

Not enough to effect gameplay tho. I'd like to see some shots on the ground at various points.

the point is here

vr zone tests are fake

there is no such big differences as shown n vr zone tests

i think those litte differences causes are

gamma brigthnes and not the exact frame also picture size

 

[Wile E]

the point is here

vr zone tests are fake

there is no such big differences as shown n vr zone tests

i think those litte differences causes are

gamma brigthnes and not the exact frame also picture size

Well, whatever the cause may be, the ATI image still looks better to me. I'd still like to see pics from different parts of the game.

 

[cefurkan]

Well, whatever the cause may be, the ATI image still looks better to me. I'd still like to see pics from different parts of the game.

if u want to see

just bother urself a bit

take some screen shots

and upload here

here is the frames

i want exact frame that i have giving

waiting


settings

16x af opened from windows

else everthing is default @ windows settings






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[hat]

Dude, imageshack sucks. It's slowwwwwwwwwwww.

 

[Wile E]

@cefurkan - I don't have Crysis. Neither the demo or the game.

 

[DarkMatter]

The only difference that I see in shadows is Ati's being darker. I like Nvidia's lighter ones. Not a difference that would make me buy one over the other. This battle won't be played on IQ, as much as fanboys want it so much. The battle is going to occur on price/performance, and I even think that all the cards are going to be tied here... So the decision is more likely to reside on how much you want to spend, or wich level of performance are you comfortable with, wich is going to be the same thing.

 

[Wile E]

The only difference that I see in shadows is Ati's being darker. I like Nvidia's lighter ones. Not a difference that would make me buy one over the other. This battle won't be played on IQ, as much as fanboys want it so much. The battle is going to occur on price/performance, and I even think that all the cards are going to be tied here... So the decision is more likely to reside on how much you want to spend, or wich level of performance are you comfortable with, wich is going to be the same thing.

I agree, thus the "I think" and "to me" parts of my statements.

 

[cefurkan]

@cefurkan - I don't have Crysis. Neither the demo or the game.

just talking
no action

same as all ati fans

 

[Wile E]

just talking
no action

same as all ati fans

lol. No. I just don't want to bother with Crysis on this crappy AMD X2 I have. I'm waiting for my 680i to be RMA'd.