Bill Allows Obama Power to Shut Down Internet

[DaMulta]

I think it;s a great idea personally.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

For all of you people blaming Obama I would like to call notice to the fact that the bill was proposed by a republican senator, and a democrat senator not Obama.

In case you missed it, that Republican senator (Olympia Snow) is as much a Democrat as Hillary Clinton. That is, she's only a Republican by title, not by action. It is very unlikely she will get reelected, especially as a Republican (Independent or Democrat, if at all).

I agree though that this has nothing to do with Obama...yet. Wait until it lands on his desk and he signs it before taking jabs at him.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Its a bill that is not that important because they already have the means to do so. The method of doing it the way that the bill states is simply a non-distructive way.

Its nothing compared to Patroit Acts 1 and 2 which allow you to be detained indefinately for no given reason in secret prisons immune to our law system and there is no limit to how many people they can do it to. BTW those "1984" type bills were passed by a majority republican Congress and a republican president(George W. Bush). So if you care about freedom, you wouldn't like republican policy.


If the president can declare war on any country for any reason..... don't you think the internet isn't going to be a dangerous option as a means of protecting our power grid and defense systems from being controlled in a cyber attack? Its very possible and Obama has no interest in lowering internet commerce so he will most likely never use it anyway.

PS. Its so funny to see people still horrified we have a half-black president. And campaign promises are already on the way to being filled. It takes time to make things happen for the better in Washington. He can't snap his fingers and make everything happen. Its called legislative process and it takes months to make things happen and come into effect. Has he even been in office 100 days and people complain about him not fullfilling promises. Never has any president been given as many expectations for his first 100 days. I suggest everyone wait until the end of the first term before addressing what promises he has fulfilled like any intelligent person would do... when its a valid topic of discussion.

 

[HammerON]

PS. Its so funny to see people still horrified we have a half-black president. And campaign promises are already on the way to being filled. It takes time to make things happen for the better in Washington. He can't snap his fingers and make everything happen. Its called legislative process and it takes months to make things happen and come into effect. Has he even been in office 100 days and people complain about him not fullfilling promises. Never has any president been given as many expectations for his first 100 days. I suggest everyone wait until the end of the first term before addressing what promises he has fulfilled like any intelligent person would do... when its a valid topic of discussion.

Agree 100%

 

[TheMailMan78]

DaedalusHelios you're right. It does take time. With that being said however how many things has he gone back on so far? Thats more of an issue for me. The man is a socialist.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

DaedalusHelios you're right. It does take time. With that being said however how many things has he gone back on so far? Thats more of an issue for me. The man is a socialist.

Obama's views are badged Socialist by the republican media. All of his policies make us more like Europe, Canada, and the rest of the "1st world"(all very prosperous nations with high standard of living like us). By your definition then these nations are all socialist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

Kind of sadening actually. You must have a view covering more than just America and realize these policies are in effect and helping the rest of the world. Its where we fall behind in the grand scheme of things involving safety and human health. Also its terribly sad to see the lack of compassion for your fellow man that many exhibit in the economic downturn and badge compassion as socialism. I don't care how you badge good policies that strengthen America and make us great.... I only care how it benefits us as a whole. The fastest growing form of bankruptsy in america comes from medical expenses. Never has saving a life come at such a cost.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Obama's views are badged Socialist by the republican media. All of his policies make us more like Europe, Canada, and the rest of the "1st world"(all very prosperous nations with high standard of living like us). By your definition then these nations are all socialist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

Kind of sadening actually. You must have a view covering more than just America and realize these policies are in effect and helping the rest of the world. Its where we fall behind in the grand scheme of things involving safety and human health. Also its terribly sad to see the lack of compassion for your fellow man that many exhibit in the economic downturn and badge compassion as socialism. I don't care how you badge good policies that strengthen America and make us great.... I only care how it benefits us as a whole. The fastest growing form of bankruptsy in america comes from medical expenses. Never has saving a life come at such a cost.

No I badge these things as Socialism because they are. I could care less what the media says. Being like the "Jones" when you are NOT isn't the smartest move. Brutal capitalism has worked for over 200 years in the United States. Survival of the financial fittest. Now because a few jackasses made some bad financial moves I have to pay for it. Go forth and prosper for someone else isn't the American way.

Saying "We need to be like Europe" is as bad as saying "Europe needs to be like America" We are not the same. What works there cannot work here. It's not what we were founded on.

To my European friends I say this with respect and in no way am I trashing your way of life. Its just different than ours and I think diversity is what makes the world turn.

 

[DrPepper]

No I badge these things as Socialism because they are. I could care less what the media says. Being like the "Jones" when you are NOT isn't the smartest move. Brutal capitalism has worked for over 200 years in the United States. Survival of the financial fittest. Now because a few jackasses made some bad financial moves I have to pay for it. Go forth and prosper for someone else isn't the American way.

Saying "We need to be like Europe" is as bad as saying "Europe needs to be like America" We are not the same. What works there cannot work here. It's not what we were founded on.

To my European friends I say this with respect and in no way am I trashing your way of life. Its just different than ours and I think diversity is what makes the world turn.

I wish europe was more like america tbh. Except in eating habits

 

[TheMailMan78]

I wish europe was more like america tbh. Except in eating habits

I haven't heard that in a while.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

But by your example we shouldn't change anything. Our nation was founded in a time not anything like ours. You must choose what is best and not worship our founding fathers like demigods with the powers to see into the future.

Lincoln made the greatest constitutional breach when he made us a no longer a voluntary union and made death the punishment for such acts. We haven't repealed that breach and some say they represent the party of Lincoln. If we value the constitution why did we create the Patriot Acts 1 and 2 which were huge absolute breachs of all constitutional amendments at will.

Nothing is wrong with taking the policies of Europe that benefit us and not the ones that don't. If we didn't we would still have slavery. I really don't think we would be better off not learning from the rest of the worlds successes and failures. That is like saying the USA is too perfect to need change. Liberalism and progressiveness created pornography. Without it most guys populating this forum wouldn't have internet connections.

 

[DrPepper]

I haven't heard that in a while.

since 1945 to be precise

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I wish europe was more like america tbh. Except in eating habits

Europe has alot to learn from America. But America has alot to learn from what you take for granted that we do not have.

Europe has many issues like not standing up against immigrants, a strange fear of guns, and bribery in its business sector. But most of Europe doesn't let there poor die from easily cured deseases out of negligence.

A simple trip to the hospital for heart trouble in America can end up costing over $100,000 from surgery and hospital stay. You could lose your house, car, and have to file for bankruptsy just to cover the procedure to live. Is that fair?

I have insurance and I lost my inheritence,savings, and my car because of my kidney surgery. Anyone can be the casualty of a careless system. But trying to keep your system that way out of a simple fear of change, is negligence on your part too.

 

[TheMailMan78]

But by your example we shouldn't change anything. Our nation was founded in a time not anything like ours. You must choose what is best and not worship our founding fathers like demigods with the powers to see into the future.

Lincoln made the greatest constitutional breach when he made us a no longer a voluntary union and made death the punishment for such acts. We haven't repealed that breach and some say they represent the party of Lincoln. If we value the constitution why did we create the Patriot Acts 1 and 2 which were huge absolute breachs of all constitutional amendments at will.

Nothing is wrong with taking the policies of Europe that benefit us and not the ones that don't. If we didn't we would still have slavery. I really don't think we would be better off not learning from the rest of the worlds successes and failures. That is like saying the USA is too perfect to need change. Liberalism and progressiveness created pornography. Without it most guys populating this forum wouldn't have internet connections.

Ok porn has been around as long as man has walked the earth. Giving credit to any one group is just stupid. Just look at the Khajuraho-Lakshmana Temple for one example.

I never said I agreed with the Patriot acts ether. However at the same time they didn't effect my paycheck or my everyday life. Still they were wrong to invoke it. But why hasn't Obama revoked it? Makes you wonder about the whole "liberal vs conservative" crap they have you believe. Oh and as for slavery Europe had it up until 1869 which was AFTER the U.S. scrapped the practice. FYI Lincoln was shot for the shit he pulled. Not a good example. But of course MLK was a republican but we like to forget that because he was shot by a evil white guy.

 

[Polaris573]

Liberalism and progressiveness created pornography. Without it most guys populating this forum wouldn't have internet connections.

I just have to say... please read a history book..... you might be surprised by how it enriches your understanding of where you're from and where you are going. Not everything wrong with the world is the result of some vague 1950's progressive movement.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I just have to say... please read a history book..... you might be surprised by how it enriches your understanding of where you're from and where you are going.

DaedalusHelios you're a smart guy but man the porn comment was just dumb.

Not everything wrong with the world is the result of some vague 1950's progressive movement.

My wife would have you believe its my fault.

 

[Wile E]

For all of you people blaming Obama I would like to call notice to the fact that the bill was proposed by a republican senator, and a democrat senator not Obama. So how is it directly or indirectly his fault? Most likely the legislation description reads "the President has the authority to..." not "Obama has the authority to...." Really people should pay more attention to who they elect to the senate and the house because, in theory, they're the ones that can and do propose new laws. Congress deserves a lot of the flak people direct at presidents. In summary, citizens need to learn to use their critical thinking skills and direct criticism where it belongs, not merely at the easiest target.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the people who hate obama for limiting their freedom support/supported the patriot act, and other limiting legislation, as necessary for their safety.

I, too, hate Obama, but I still agree with you on this. (I was against the Patriot Act from the beginning, btw).

 

[DrPepper]

Europe has alot to learn from America. But America has alot to learn from what you take for granted that we do not have.

Europe has many issues like not standing up against immigrants, a strange fear of guns, and bribery in its business sector. But most of Europe doesn't let there poor die from easily cured deseases out of negligence.

Actually there are alot of guns at least in the UK but there are no handguns as far as I'm aware only rifles and shotguns. I do like the free health care here but the health services are very reluctant to help you unless they can be held responsible. For example on the bus to school the bus hit a pothole and a muscle in my neck snapped and the hospital refused to do anythign because it wasn't life threatning but it was incredibly painful and I needed a neckbrace because my head was stuck leaning to the left

 

[DaedalusHelios]

1.Ok porn has been around as long as man has walked the earth. Giving credit to any one group is just stupid. Just look at the Khajuraho-Lakshmana Temple for one example.

I never said I agreed with the Patriot acts ether.

2.However at the same time they didn't effect my paycheck or my everyday life. Still they were wrong to invoke it.

3.But why hasn't Obama revoked it? Makes you wonder about the whole "liberal vs conservative" crap they have you believe.

4.Oh and as for slavery Europe had it up until 1869 which was AFTER the U.S. scrapped the practice. FYI Lincoln was shot for the shit he pulled. Not a good example.

5.But of course MLK was a republican but we like to forget that because he was shot by a evil white guy.

1. I meant pornography in modern media because conservative interests fought it for years. There are a tons of examples if you need them. *Watch it with the insults please*


2. If they decided to detain you in a secret prison under false pretenses it would. Also you would have no legal reprecussion under that system so good luck fighting that. Of course you are not islamic so you probably wouldn't care what would happen to them anyway.


3. Obama couldn't revoke it because they would act like he was not trying to protect America. Just the same as they always do if you ever question their defense spending even if its in failed technology.

4.Lincoln only wanted to weaken the south since the labor there was slave labor. They still had slavery in the North until after the Civil War. Lincoln was shot for the crap he did to the south in the reconstruction period. England and its empire, offered to assist the South in the civil war if they agreed to revoke slave labor but the South declined. That is called European policy, the English empire was considered part of Europe.

5. MLK was a republican because the parties switched on the topic of civil rights and he then became a democrat because of the platform shift that ocurred thanks to JFK. Its all over the internet and history books. Just read about what formed the Dixie-crats.

Hopefully you will read that. If you need elaboration I can help with that too. Its most likely on Wikipedia for a quick reference too.

 

[btarunr]

and that's 3 years to long, OBAMA= One Bad Ass Mistake America

Why, won't the bill give the same power to Obama's successors?

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I just have to say... please read a history book..... you might be surprised by how it enriches your understanding of where you're from and where you are going. Not everything wrong with the world is the result of some vague 1950's progressive movement.

Funny coming from a libertarian. Read post #68. You should know, you are still in college right?

 

[Wile E]

Obama's views are badged Socialist by the republican media. All of his policies make us more like Europe, Canada, and the rest of the "1st world"(all very prosperous nations with high standard of living like us). By your definition then these nations are all socialist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

Kind of sadening actually. You must have a view covering more than just America and realize these policies are in effect and helping the rest of the world. Its where we fall behind in the grand scheme of things involving safety and human health. Also its terribly sad to see the lack of compassion for your fellow man that many exhibit in the economic downturn and badge compassion as socialism. I don't care how you badge good policies that strengthen America and make us great.... I only care how it benefits us as a whole. The fastest growing form of bankruptsy in america comes from medical expenses. Never has saving a life come at such a cost.

But by your example we shouldn't change anything. Our nation was founded in a time not anything like ours. You must choose what is best and not worship our founding fathers like demigods with the powers to see into the future.

Lincoln made the greatest constitutional breach when he made us a no longer a voluntary union and made death the punishment for such acts. We haven't repealed that breach and some say they represent the party of Lincoln. If we value the constitution why did we create the Patriot Acts 1 and 2 which were huge absolute breachs of all constitutional amendments at will.

Nothing is wrong with taking the policies of Europe that benefit us and not the ones that don't. If we didn't we would still have slavery. I really don't think we would be better off not learning from the rest of the worlds successes and failures. That is like saying the USA is too perfect to need change. Liberalism and progressiveness created pornography. Without it most guys populating this forum wouldn't have internet connections.

We shouldn't change a damn thing, and we sure as hell shouldn't be bailing out failing corporations. I don't care how it effects anything, it's the way Capitalism is supposed to be, and you have to take the bad with the good.

As far as the Patriot Act, that was one of the worst pieces of legislation ever.

I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to American policies. My taxes should go to running the govt, not to helping out those I didn't choose to help. If I want to help someone, I will do it of my own will. I would never choose to help AIG, or the Big 3.

My freedoms should never be taken from me for the sake of safety.

 

[Polaris573]

Funny coming from a libertarian. Read post #68. You should know, you are still in college right?

Sorry sir. Without context I misunderstood and assumed you mean pornographic material in general.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

We shouldn't change a damn thing, and we sure as hell shouldn't be bailing out failing corporations. I don't care how it effects anything, it's the way Capitalism is supposed to be, and you have to take the bad with the good.

As far as the Patriot Act, that was one of the worst pieces of legislation ever.

I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to American policies. My taxes should go to running the govt, not to helping out those I didn't choose to help. If I want to help someone, I will do it of my own will. I would never choose to help AIG, or the Big 3.

My freedoms should never be taken from me for the sake of safety.

Thats libertarianism which is brilliant in theory but I do not belive our markets are strong enough to withstand a fall deeper than they have seen without causing permanent damage and forcing desperation on those that do not deserve it.

Anti-trust laws should have come into effect on these companies that were so big that we couldn't let them fall completely. I think our regulation was to weak and half the regulation out there is bad from the beginning.

Sorry sir. Without context I misunderstood and assumed you mean pornographic material in general.

BTW I don't think Libertarianism is bad. I think that many of their views make them a better platform than republicans and they deserve to be a recognized third party in all elections because I would vote libertarian before republican anyday.

 

[Wile E]

Thats libertarianism which is brilliant in theory but I do not belive our markets are strong enough to withstand a fall deeper than they have seen without causing permanent damage and forcing desperation on those that do not deserve it.

Anti-trust laws should have come into effect on these companies that were so big that we couldn't let them fall completely. I think our regulation was to weak and half the regulation out there is bad from the beginning.

I will give a little on the regulation of big business aspect. I'm smart enough to know that 100% true capitalism doesn't work. Regulation is needed. But I will not give on my money going to failing businesses, or to socialist healthcare.

 

[btarunr]

Ok porn has been around as long as man has walked the earth. Giving credit to any one group is just stupid. Just look at the Khajuraho-Lakshmana Temple for one example.

Khajuraho wasn't really porn in its time. Its more or less a depiction of what was kosher back then (when Islam didn't establish itself in the Indian society). Today it looks porn because it's world order for women to have their breasts covered. That wasn't an order with Indians back then, not even with princesses.