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*le sigh*



The merger will result in a highly deformed single black hole which rids itself of its deformity by emitting gravitational radiation that is characteristic of the mass and spin of the final black hole. This is called the quasi-normal mode or the ring down signal.

If you don't know what ringdown is then read it here
That sounds much more realistic and consistent with other sources.

It was confusing because it compared the gravitational wave blast with that of a supernova and mechanically, they're nothing alike.
 

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What gives them the impression two black holes colliding causes an explosion? You'd think it would be no different than two stars colliding.
Gravitational waves when they merge. The orbiting material might well explode however.
 

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Doubtful unless it was very, very close to the galactic core. Imagine getting pinched between two permanent magnets while being on fire...that's about what it is like. XD

Gravitational waves going outward should decrease the likelihood of masses colliding outside of the galactic core.
 
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I picture it more like two marbles slowly

Slowly? Hmh ... Velocity of one of those black holes in PG 1302-102 is already 7% of the speed of light. When they'll be really close their speeds will be close to the speed of light. Amplitude and frequency will rise like in this graph




I know about Milkomeda. Our own Milky Way most likely "ate" some of its neighbors alive in the past. But everything that is further than 3 million light years is receding from us.


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Slowly? Hmh ... Velocity of one of those black holes in PG 1302-102 is already 7% of the speed of light. When they'll be really close their speeds will be close to the speed of light. Amplitude and frequency will rise like in this graph
Oops, yeah. I was speaking/thinking in relativistic terms. If you were on one of those black holes, it would appear everything else was in slow motion.

I know about Milkomeda. Our own Milky Way most likely "ate" some of its neighbors alive in the past. But everything that is further than 3 million light years is receding from us.
It merged with at least three dwarf galaxies relatively recently (or in the process of doing so anyway) but it has never merged with a galaxy of similar or larger size because it is still spiral. The merger with Andromeda is thought to make an elliptical galaxy.
 
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It merged with at least three dwarf galaxies relatively recently (or in the process of doing so anyway) but it has never merged with a galaxy of similar or larger size because it is still spiral. The merger with Andromeda is thought to make an elliptical galaxy.


Correct. That process will take "some" time though. No simulations/models can predict/visualize it with 100% accuracy. Andromeda has its own satellite dwarf galaxies and our Milky Way has them too (Magellanic clouds for example). Just imagine how complex all equations would be. It's called n-body problem in astronomy.

It'd be really nice to have some quantum supercomputers to solve these problems.
 

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Is it worth solving though? What is gained by simulating it other than a pretty video? XD
 
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Every problem that got to do with dynamical systems is worth solving. To know how Universe works is really important. Just because all those things are far away doesn't mean we should ignore them. You can't just say that knowing dynamics of star clusters, planetary systems or even galaxies is useless.
 

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A pair of supermassive black holes circling each other at the centre of a distant galaxy are heading for an enormous collision that will trigger one of the biggest explosions in the universe.

The black holes are orbiting each other in a space not much bigger than our own solar system at nearly seven per cent of the speed of light.

Astronomers studying the pair said they are expected to collide together in less than a million years, triggering a blast 100 million times more powerful than a supernovae.



The binary black holes, known as PG 1302-102, were first spotted in January this year when astronomers noticed an unusual bright spot of UV light coming from the centre of a galaxy.

Scientists have now used ultraviolet light data from Nasa's Galaxy Evolution Explorerer (Galex) and Hubble Space Telescope to track the light patterns over the past 20 years.

GALEX



They found the black holes are giving off a bizarre cyclical light pattern as one of them is absorbing more matter than the other, heating up the surrounding matter to emit energy.

The researchers found that this black hole orbits the other once every five years.

They said they hope that by studying the final moments of these black holes – in galactic time frames – will help them search for gravitational waves.

The two black holes will spin closer and closer to each other in a 'death spiral' like ice skaters, sending out ripples in space and time.

This would help to prove theories about gravity first proposed by Albert Einstein around 100 years ago.

Professor Zoltán Haiman, an astronomer at Columbia University in New York who led the project, said: 'We are strengthening our ideas of what's going on in this system and starting to understand it better.'

The entangled dance of the two black holes is also releasing a strange light signal that appears to brighten every five years.

This is because of the 'blue shifting' effect, in which light is squeezed to shorter wavelengths as it travels toward us in the same way that a police car's siren squeals at higher frequencies as it heads toward you.

Another reason has to do with the enormous speed of the black hole.

The brighter black hole is traveling at nearly seven percent the speed of light – around 47 million miles per hour.

At these speeds, which are known as relativistic, the light becomes boosted and brighter.

Daniel D'Orazio, an astronomer at Columbia University and lead author of the study which appears in the journal Nature, and his colleagues modelled this effect and predicted how it should look in ultraviolet light.

They determined that, if the periodic brightening and dimming previously seen in the visible light is indeed due to the relativistic boosting effect, then the same behaviour should be present in ultraviolet wavelengths, but amplified 2.5 times.

Mr D'Orazio said: 'It's as if a 60-Watt light bulb suddenly appears to be 100 Watts. As the black hole light speeds away from us, it appears as a dimmer 20-Watt bulb.'

It is now hoped the findings will help astronomers understand merging black holes elsewhere in the universe.

in the journal Nature

BLACK HOLES ARE NOT PRISONS
The widely-held assumption is that anything sucked into a black hole is gone forever.

But Professor Stephen Hawking has called this assumption into question.

The theoretical physicist claims to have discovered a mechanism 'by which information is returned out of the black hole,' - meaning they may not be as black as first thought.

In fact, his new theory suggests that information lost in black holes could be stored in alternative universes.

Speaking to a group of scientists at KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, Professor Hawking talked about finding a solution to one of science's most difficult questions - what happens to the information about the physical state of things swallowed up by black holes, and is it retrievable?

The laws of quantum mechanics demand that it should be, but that presents a paradox for our current understanding of black holes, known as the 'information paradox.'

'I propose that the information is stored not in the interior of the black hole as one might expect, but on its boundary - the event horizon,' he said.
 

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Every problem that got to do with dynamical systems is worth solving. To know how Universe works is really important. Just because all those things are far away doesn't mean we should ignore them. You can't just say that knowing dynamics of star clusters, planetary systems or even galaxies is useless.
Those resources would be better spent figuring out FTL travel. Why? Because FTL enables you to literally travel through time. If you can travel 1 light year at a time, you could pick a galaxy and jump towards it--every jump is a frame. You could observe how it happened, nevermind simulating it. Making models that accurately account for how an event happened are far more valuable than designing computer models that theorize what could happen.
 
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Those resources would be better spent figuring out FTL travel. Why? Because FTL enables you to literally travel through time. If you can travel 1 light year at a time, you could literally pick a galaxy and jump towards it--every jump is a frame. You could literally observe how it happened, nevermind simulating it. Making models that accurately account for how an event happened are far more valuable than designing computer models that theorize what could happen.
FTL is physically impossible or you mean shortcuts/wormholes? Einstein and de Sitter whole their lives tried to figure out how it works. No luck.
No amount of resources will help mankind unless another brilliant genius appears and changes the world.

At the moment building quantum computers seems much "easier" than unifying quantum theory and general relativity.
 
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The new study reveals that Sgr A* has been producing one bright X-ray flare about every ten days. However, within the past year, there has been a ten-fold increase in the rate of bright flares from Sgr A*, at about one every day. This increase happened soon after the close approach to Sgr A* by a mysterious object called G2.

Hmmmm the bubble of my interest is growing. Have to wait and see if it's really G2's fault lol. Interesting news nonetheless. Is G2 a real binary star or just a gas cloud. So many questions .... no answers.

 

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Why do they still illustrate Sgr A* as a giant black hole? 1) it is tiny and 2) it is surrounded by very bright, very hot gases making it doubtful it is even possible to see the "blackness" of the "black hole."

This increase happened soon after the close approach to Sgr A* by a mysterious object called G2.
Have they considered the possibility that G2 is a dwarf galaxy?
 
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Why do they still illustrate Sgr A* as a giant black hole? 1) it is tiny and 2) it is surrounded by very bright, very hot gases making it doubtful it is even possible to see the "blackness" of the "black hole." Have they considered the possibility that G2 is a dwarf galaxy?


1) They didn't say it's giant, they said it's supermassive (its exact mass and size are unknown). It's not tiny, it's radius xx million km.
All sources have different numbers

http://starburstfound.org/sqkblog/?p=115
http://www.constellation-guide.com/sagittarius-a/
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l8_p7.html

That's right, the core of the Milky Way is bright. To deduce mass and size with current equipment is not possible.


G2 can't be dwarf galaxy, it's too small. If it was dwarf galaxy it'd mess with stars in the vicinity of Sgr A*, which is not the case.
 
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1) They didn't say it's giant, they said it's supermassive (its exact mass and size are unknown). It's not tiny, it's radius xx million km.
It's bigger than the sun? :eek:

G2 can't be dwarf galaxy, it's too small. If it was dwarf galaxy it'd mess with stars in the vicinity of Sgr A*, which is not the case.
I guess it could be a really big star that's moving way too fast (has no satellites).

I'm really missing scale here. How big is G2 compared to Sgr A*?
 
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It's bigger than the sun? :eek:


I guess it could be a really big star that's moving way too fast (has no satellites).

I'm really missing scale here. How big is G2 compared to Sgr A*?

Yes (around the distance between Sun and Mercury).

Actual scale of G2 is unknown, it got stretched after encounter but it survived. Some astronomers think it might be a double star so you can go from there. Here's the picture (lol from that we can't really tell, better radio telescopes are required).


Btw thanks for interesting questions.



Some more news, now from the other galaxy spiral galaxy located approximately 13.5 million light-years away in the direction of the constellation Reticulum:

A team of astronomers has found evidence for an intermediate-mass black hole (5000 Times Mass of Sun) in the spiral galaxy NGC 1313 (also known as the Topsy Turvy Galaxy).

Astronomers identified two repeating flares, each flashing at an unusually steady frequency. One flashed about 27.6 times per minute and the other about 17.4 times per minute. Comparing these two rates yields a nearly perfect 3:2 ratio.

The 3:2 ratios can also provide an accurate measure of a black hole’s mass. Smaller black holes will flash at a higher frequency, while larger black holes will flash less often
 

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What about the power? Inverse relationship? The bigger the black hole, the less frequent the flares but the more powerful it is?
 
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I couldn't find any info on that. Black hole business is getting even weirder. Usually astronomers are concerned about mass and spin (just like in particle physics).

I know that Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass of the black hole. It can be 5 km for stellar mass black hole or the radius of a solar system for SMBH.

And other correlation is: the more massive the black hole, the broader the emission line.
 
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This is what the merger of two black holes would look like.


Gravitational radiation is incredibly difficult to measure. The ripples cause atoms to ‘bob’ about to just 1 part in 10^21. Building a detector to notice this is like measuring the distance from Earth to the Sun to the accuracy of the size of a hydrogen atom.

The merger of small black holes, each about a few times the mass of the Sun, will create high-frequency gravitational waves that could be seen from the ground. But the giant black holes that sit at the heart of galaxies with masses of a million times that of the Sun will generate gravitational waves of much lower frequency. These cannot be detected with ground-based systems because seismic interference and other noise will overwhelm the signals. Hence, spaceborne observatories are needed.
 
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Astronomers "Weigh" a Galaxy's Black Hole by Studying the Einstein Ring Phenomenon





In this Einstein Ring system, there are in fact, two galaxies: the foreground galaxy, which is 4 billion light years away, and the background galaxy, whose light has taken 12 billion years to reach us. The gravity of the massive foreground galaxy deflects the light from the background galaxy and creates the ring structure.

By analyzing the high-resolution data and modeling the gravitational lensing effect, astronomers determined that the massive lensing galaxy contains over 350 billion times the mass of the sun within the ring. Lensing theory predicts that the central image of a lensing system is very sensitive to the mass of a supermassive black hole in the lens galaxy: the more massive the black hole, the fainter the central image. From this, they calculated that the supermassive black hole, located very close to the center of the SDP.81, may contain over 300 million times the mass of the Sun.
 
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Exciting news:


Binary VFTS 352 whose two huge, hot surfaces are touching as they dance rapidly around. Whether as a gamma ray mega-burst or twin supernovae leaving binary black holes disrupting space-time, there's no way this ends well.


The event occurred near a supermassive black hole estimated to weigh a few million times the mass of the sun in the center of PGC 043234, a galaxy that lies ~ 290 million ly away. During the tidal disruption event, filaments containing much of the star's mass fall toward the black hole. Eventually these gaseous filaments merge into a smooth, hot disk glowing brightly in X-rays. As the disk forms, its central region heats up tremendously, which drives a flow of material, called a wind, away from the disk.
 

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Astronomers have spotted a black hole in the process of pulverising a star 290 million light years away.

The phenomenon occurs when a star comes too close to a black hole, and the intense gravity of the black hole causes tidal forces that can rip the star apart.

In these events, called tidal disruptions, some of the stellar debris is flung outward at high speeds, while the rest falls toward the black hole. This causes a distinct X-ray flare that can last for years.

Scientists say that the event is the closest tidal disruption discovered in about a decade.


Pictured is an artist's impression on Nasa's new findings about how a star would be ripped apart if it came too close to a black hole. In these events, called tidal disruptions, some of the stellar debris is flung outward at high speeds, while the rest falls toward the black hole

'These results support some of our newest ideas for the structure and evolution of tidal disruption events,' said study co-author Coleman Miller, professor of astronomy at University of Maryland and director of the Joint Space-Science Institute.

'In the future, tidal disruptions can provide us with laboratories to study the effects of extreme gravity.'

The optical light All-Sky Automated Survey for Supernovae (ASAS-SN) originally discovered the tidal disruption, known as ASASSN-14li, in November 2014.

The event occurred near a supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy PGC 043234.

Further study using Nasa's Chandra X-ray Observatory,

http://chandra.si.edu/photo/2015/tidal/

Nasa's Swift Gamma-ray Burst Explorer

http://swift.gsfc.nasa.gov/

and the European Space Agency's XMM-Newton satellite

http://sci.esa.int/xmm-newton/

provided a clearer picture by analysing the tidal disruption's X-ray emissions.

'We have seen evidence for a handful of tidal disruptions over the years and have developed a lot of ideas of what goes on,' said Professor Jon Miller,from the University of Michigan.

'This one is the best chance we have had so far to really understand what happens when a black hole shreds a star.'


This illustration of a recently observed tidal disruption shows a disk of stellar debris around the black hole at the upper left. A long tail of stellar debris extends to the right, far from the black hole

After a star is destroyed by a tidal disruption, the black hole's strong gravitational forces draw in most of the star's remains.

Friction then heats this debris, generating huge amounts of X-ray radiation.

Following this surge of X-rays, the amount of light decreases as the stellar material falls beyond the black hole's event horizon - the point beyond which no light or other information can escape.

Gas often falls toward a black hole by spiraling inward and forming a disk.
But the process that creates these disk structures, known as 'accretion disks', has remained a mystery.

By observing ASASSN-14li, the team of astronomers was able to witness the formation of an accretion disk as it happened, by looking at the X-ray light at different wavelengths and tracking how those emissions changed over time.

The researchers discovered that most of the X-rays are produced by material that is extremely close to the black hole.

In fact, the brightest material might actually occupy the smallest possible stable orbit.

WHAT IS A TIDAL DISRUPTION?
When a star comes too close to a black hole, the intense gravity of the black hole results in tidal forces that can rip the star apart. In these events, called tidal disruptions, some of the stellar debris is flung outward at high speeds, while the rest falls toward the black hole. This causes a distinct X-ray flare that can last for years.After a star is destroyed by a tidal disruption, the black hole's strong gravitational forces draw in most of the star's remains. Friction heats this debris, generating huge amounts of X-ray radiation.

Following this surge of X-rays, the amount of light decreases as the stellar material falls beyond the black hole's event horizon - the point beyond which no light or other information can escape. Gas often falls toward a black hole by spiraling inward and forming a disk.

But the process that creates these disk structures, known as 'accretion disks', has remained a mystery. Researchers have determined that most of the X-rays are produced by material that is extremely close to the black hole. In fact, the brightest material might actually occupy the smallest possible stable orbit.

But astronomers are equally interested to learn what happens to the gas that doesn't get drawn past the event horizon, but instead is ejected away from the black hole.

'The black hole tears the star apart and starts swallowing material really quickly, but that's not the end of the story,' said study co-author Jelle Kaastra, an astronomer at the Institute for Space Research in the Netherlands. 'The black hole can't keep up that pace so it expels some of the material outwards.'

The X-ray data also suggest the presence of a wind moving away from the black hole, carrying stellar gas outward. However, this wind does not quite move fast enough to escape the black hole's gravitational grasp. A possible explanation for the low speed of this wind is that gas from the disrupted star follows an elliptical orbit around the black hole, and travels slowest when it reaches the greatest distance from the black hole at the far ends of this elliptical orbit.

'This result highlights the importance of multi-wavelength observations,' explained study co-author Assistant Professor Suvi Gezari.

'Even though the event was discovered with an optical survey telescope, prompt X-ray observations were key in determining the characteristic temperature and radius of the emission and catching the signatures of an outflow.'

Astronomers are hoping to find and study more events like ASASSN-14li so they can continue to test theoretical models about how black holes affect their nearby environments, while learning more about what black holes do to any stars or other bodies that wander too close.

The findings were published in the journal Nature.


 

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