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[sowhat]

I know I asked a lot of questions like a new computer user. Because i want to learn to build my first PC and everyone here don't mind im asking a lot of questions. Thank you your suppport.

For the case, I have no idea what types of case should I buy. Any suggestions?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

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Price to performance this will be really hard to beat.

 

[sowhat]

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card ($319.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($121.92 @ Amazon)
Total: $947.85

I just make a adjustment for above setting. Is it okay now?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I would go with the msi b550 a pro but otherwise looks pretty solid.

 

[sowhat]

I would go with the msi b550 a pro but otherwise looks pretty solid.

Is it too old model? I don't know. I can't find it on the MSI office site.

Otherwise, I think the graphic card a little old, should I do more researches first?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

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New GPU are being announced on the 1st but the first wave is likely going to be way out of your price range. Cheaper cards may be out by December but I also wouldn't be surprised if they're out Jan/Feb.

If you do wait you might as well wait for ryzen 4000 which should drop before the end of the year as well.

 

[Arctucas]

Regarding chassis size and heat build up; I have, because of constantly changing UEFI settings and having to press the BIOS reset button on the motherboard, gotten used to having the side panel off my chassis.

Given, I have a rather large chassis, and heat build up was never an issue, but it everything does seem run a little (maybe 1-2°C) cooler with the panels off.

I have no exhaust fans, other than the PSU fan, only two 140mm (bottom and top) and one rear 120mm acting as intake. They basically 'stir' the air inside the chassis, along with another 140mm mounted inside. Some may say that allows dust into the chassis, but in reality, the chassis is much, much cleaner, and stays cleaner, with the side panels off.

 

[Chrispy_]

At this point in time I'd probably recommend the A520 or B550 over a B450 motherboard, although the Tomahawk MAX is a great B450 board.

I don't think you want to be buying a 6GB RTX 2060 either. Step down to the 1660Super for now (and replace it when the dust has settled on AMD and Nvidia's new GPU architectures) or spend a bit more for a 2060Super with 8GB.

The original 6GB 2060 is reasonable but I ditched mine because I ran out of VRAM on a few 2019 titles at 1440p, and the raytracing performance wasn't good enough to let me turn on RTX and not be disappointed with the slide show. Rather than spending extra for an RTX card that can't do RTX very well, I'd be tempted to skip it altogether. 1st Gen RTX is looking like it may have been an early-adopter tax, with RDNA2 likely being the dominant DXR tech going forwards, thanks to Sony and Microsoft, and Ampere supposedly blowing Turing's DXR performance out of the water. In saying that, I'm happy with the 2060Super's performance even when I'm not enabling RTX features, and the 8GB of VRAM means it should be good for at least another year or two.

 

[sowhat]

I did a research for graphic card. I should not choose the old modal graphic card. 2060 6GB is quite old. I should focus on 2070. I found no any difference between 2060 super and 2070. Maybe I am not a expert gaming user. I also found 3 fans graphic card is better than 2 fans graphic card. All the spec I look at it quickly. The size, I mean 3 fans, I should find a suitable case for the motherboard and graphic card. RTX 3000 series will be coming soon. I think it is released in the market later this year. Should the RTX 2070, RTX 2070 super, maybe the price will drop a little bit, Not more.

On the other hand, I am considering AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is not better than Intel i5 10600. Althoughthe ryzen 5 3600 beats the Intel i5 10400, and you can find the intei i5 10400is limited the Ram speed, can't go to 3200, but ryzen 5 3600 did. So, I might change the target to i5 10600k. I am also upgrading mu budget to USD 1200.

I am the newer building the pc. I don't want to find my friends or other people to build my pc. Don't mind I ask too many question here. I don't wan to buy a rubbish bin back home. I want use my money, my budget efficiently. Anyone any news or sharing something here, or this thread? Welcome to share.

 

[phanbuey]

I did a research for graphic card. I should not choose the old modal graphic card. 2060 6GB is quite old. I should focus on 2070. I found no any difference between 2060 super and 2070. Maybe I am not a expert gaming user. I also found 3 fans graphic card is better than 2 fans graphic card. All the spec I look at it quickly. The size, I mean 3 fans, I should find a suitable case for the motherboard and graphic card. RTX 3000 series will be coming soon. I think it is released in the market later this year. Should the RTX 2070, RTX 2070 super, maybe the price will drop a little bit, Not more.

On the other hand, I am considering AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is not better than Intel i5 10600. Althoughthe ryzen 5 3600 beats the Intel i5 10400, and you can find the intei i5 10400is limited the Ram speed, can't go to 3200, but ryzen 5 3600 did. So, I might change the target to i5 10600k. I am also upgrading mu budget to USD 1200.

I am the newer building the pc. I don't want to find my friends or other people to build my pc. Don't mind I ask too many question here. I don't wan to buy a rubbish bin back home. I want use my money, my budget efficiently. Anyone any news or sharing something here, or this thread? Welcome to share.

I think you made a good assessment re: the 10600K. If you can wait 2-3 weeks to buy a graphics card, I would do so. The most efficient use of your money for a graphics card will be after the 3K series launch, as there will be a flood of used 2K series cards.

 

[Chrispy_]

I think you made a good assessment re: the 10600K. If you can wait 2-3 weeks to buy a graphics card, I would do so. The most efficient use of your money for a graphics card will be after the 3K series launch, as there will be a flood of used 2K series cards.

10600K on Z490 is the best gaming option if you can stretch your budget that far.

Ryzen 5 3600 is better than any of the non-K options from Intel, because the B460 boards hold back the processors with slow DDR4-2666. If you can afford a Z490, you can afford the K-series processor to go with it.

 

[milewski1015]

I agree with @Chrispy_ about the 2060, as well as with @oxrufiioxo/@phanbuey about waiting. New Nvidia GPUs are scheduled to be revealed in less than a week, and new AMD GPUs as well as Ryzen CPUs are scheduled to be released before the end of the year. If you are happy with a 10600K and don't want to wait, stepping down to a 1660 Super is a good option. If you are willing to wait a few months to see what sort of midrange GPU offerings Nvidia and AMD provide, waiting til the Ryzen 4000 series release isn't a bad idea either.

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[Selaya]

I mean, the OP hasn't mentioned what kind of gaming
CS:GO at 720p/1080p and 360fps is just as well as some 4K/60fps. Tbh, unless your budget is unlimited or if you really want Intel, 3600 with B550/A520 is just smarter spending - for the vast majority of gaming cases your bottleneck will be the GPU, not CPU. And spending less on the CPU/board = more budget left to spend on GPU.

Pairing the 10600K with 2060/1660 makes no sense.

(Here's a few comparison charts between CPUs for different resolutions, with the 2080Ti.)

 

[milewski1015]

I mean, the OP hasn't mentioned what kind of gaming
CS:GO at 720p/1080p and 360fps is just as well as some 4K/60fps. Tbh, unless your budget is unlimited or if you really want Intel, 3600 with B550/A520 is just smarter spending - for the vast majority of gaming cases your bottleneck will be the GPU, not CPU. And spending less on the CPU/board = more budget left to spend on GPU.

Pairing the 10600K with 2060/1660 makes no sense.

(Here's a few comparison charts between CPUs for different resolutions, with the 2080Ti.)

I agree, if I had to build a new system right now (and just ignore the fact that new hardware is imminent), a 3600 on A520/B550 would be what I'd go with. I only included a 10600K because OP was recommended a 3600 and continues to gravitate back to Intel. The 1660 Super is essentially a placeholder until the new GPUs are released and readily available, as Chrispy_ suggested above.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I agree, if I had to build a new system right now (and just ignore the fact that new hardware is imminent), a 3600 on A520/B550 would be what I'd go with. I only included a 10600K because OP was recommended a 3600 and continues to gravitate back to Intel. The 1660 Super is essentially a placeholder until the new GPUs are released and readily available, as Chrispy_ suggested above.

I would just rock the igp till ampere dropped in his price range honestly.

 

[Selaya]

Well Intel UHD 630 is as useful for gaming as no computer at all tbh so. xD

 

[milewski1015]

I would just rock the igp till ampere dropped in his price range honestly.

Well Intel UHD 630 is as useful for gaming as no computer at all tbh so. xD

Depends on what OP's looking to play of course, but yeah, the iGP on the 10600K will manage until midrange Ampere cards are released. If OP wanted a dGPU in the time between now and then, a used 570 is a cheap placeholder option

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well Intel UHD 630 is as useful for gaming as no computer at all tbh so. xD

Well you get an actual working computer without having to commit to an outdated gpu or wait for parts to go out of stock unlike with ryzen where you have a brick till you grab a gpu unless you have a spare old one.

 

[Selaya]

Well yeah, but that all depends on what the OP plans on doing exactly with their box - all they mentioned thus far is gaming PC - that's not exactly a lot to go by.
I guess they did mention their budget:

Gaming PC using around USD1000-1200.

Yeah, at that budget I can't recommend anything beyond 3600-B550. Quite besides, I'm of the opinion that Ampere release won't change shit for us mere mortals who are looking to spend maybe $700 on a GPU max - we ain't gonna afford us 3090s and prices on 5700s/2080s/2070s already hit rock-bottom and offer good bang for the buck as of right now, in any case.

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^ fuckall-i-want-fps-quality-be-damned list

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, if I could only spend 1200 on a pc I would get a Series X instead

 

[phanbuey]

Yeah, if I could only spend 1200 on a pc I would get a Series X instead

Lies. You would starve yourself and sell your body. This is TPU, after all, and we have priorities.

 

[milewski1015]

Well yeah, but that all depends on what the OP plans on doing exactly with their box - all they mentioned thus far is gaming PC - that's not exactly a lot to go by.
I guess they did mention their budget:Yeah, at that budget I can't recommend anything beyond 3600-B550. Quite besides, I'm of the opinion that Ampere release won't change shit for us mere mortals who are looking to spend maybe $700 on a GPU max - we ain't gonna afford us 3090s and prices on 5700s/2080s/2070s already hit rock-bottom and offer good bang for the buck as of right now, in any case.

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Why the SN750 and ITX-sized cooler in list 1? OP hasn't said anything about non-gaming workloads, so NVMe is pointless. You can get a bequiet Pure Rock Slim for $5 less than the L9a. I would swap out the mobo for the B550-A Pro as well. That drops you down to $1260, and you could shave off another $30 by going with something like the NR600 or FARA R1. The logic behind not going with a 10600K was budget limitations but then you jump $120 over budget

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[Selaya]

Yeah I'm aware that I jumped over the budget there I was just clicking parts without payint goo much attention - tbh you can jump down to the 2070 (non-S; should've done that on the list) which imho is the price/performance sweet spot rn.
However, my intention with that build was something that would be like, slightly overspecced and also fit for other purposes (you know, just because you dont plan on using your computer as a workstation right now doesn't mean it'll remain true for the remainder of its lifetime) - there's a reason I posted the fuckall list besides that.

 

[sowhat]

I have a question. If I choose RTX 2070, which brands will you recommend? Any difference between 2 fans and 3 fans, and any difference if I choose this case "phanteks-eclipse-p400a", it wil be successed installing in the case inside?
Phanteks Eclipse P400A



Any suggestions?

anybody here?

 

[milewski1015]

I have a question. If I choose RTX 2070, which brands will you recommend? Any difference between 2 fans and 3 fans, and any difference if I choose this case "phanteks-eclipse-p400a", it wil be successed installing in the case inside?
Phanteks Eclipse P400A



Any suggestions?

anybody here?

The P400A has a GPU clearance of 420mm, any card shorter than that shouldn't have any problems fitting in the case. As far as the 2070 goes, you can't really decide based on brand alone and have to look at the particular model. Look for reviews of the cards available to you. I would make the general assumption that three-fan models are going to be cooler but more expensive. Which models are you looking at?