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I plan to upgraded to 9th gen cpu but 10th gen is around the corner. Should I wait or just upgrade now? When 10th gen mainstream will be out?
 
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I don't see any harm in upgrading now, save some $$, much needed security fixes aren't coming with the 10th gen.

OTOH, new platform might as well jump on it.
 
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I plan to upgraded to 9th gen cpu but 10th gen is around the corner.
Something worth waiting for is always just around the corner. If not the next generation CPU, then the next gen GPU. Or next gen RAM, USB, SSD, or whatever. There is always something new just around the corner. If you take the position of waiting for that something new to arrive, you will never buy.

It's a Catch-22. If you wait, you will always be waiting. If you buy today, tomorrow it will be superseded by something newer, better, faster. It is just a way of life.

So I say when you are ready to buy a new computer, buy. Don't wait.
 
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why you plan to get some upgrade? your current rig not capable enough to do the task or something?
actually the difference of waiting and not waiting not much, but if you are not brand minded you can wait for little bit since newer stuff will be out

10th gen? i don't think it's good enough for now
 
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If upgrade now and new system will be out next year, then I may not regret. I just wonder 10th gen will offer better price/perf ratio due to ryzen or not. I want 8 cores/16 threads but not at the 9900k price. I upgrade coz my new 2060 super make the 3770k bottleneck in some games.
 
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Never buy the latest when you can get 1 gen older for cheaper and it wont be the newest but it wont be behind it too much
 
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Something worth waiting for is always just around the corner. If not the next generation CPU, then the next gen GPU. Or next gen RAM, USB, SSD, or whatever. There is always something new just around the corner. If you take the position of waiting for that something new to arrive, you will never buy.

It's a Catch-22. If you wait, you will always be waiting. If you buy today, tomorrow it will be superseded by something newer, better, faster. It is just a way of life.

So I say when you are ready to buy a new computer, buy. Don't wait.
Don't know you know, Intel are dropping prices big time on generation 10 ,that will push the prices of 9 down considerably, might be worth a wait this time ,then buy gen 9 since 10 isn't much different.
Price war starreth.
 

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100% go with Ryzen 3000 series
 
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Don't know you know, Intel are dropping prices big time on generation 10 ,that will push the prices of 9 down considerably
I know. But this is typical for just about every new generation of every new product - whether it be CPUs, GPU or even new smart phones. The price for previous generations typically drop when the latest gen products come out. I am sure we will see it again with Gen 11.
 
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I know. But this is typical for just about every new generation of every new product - whether it be CPUs, GPU or even new smart phones. The price for previous generations typically drop when the latest gen products come out. I am sure we will see it again with Gen 11.
Yeah sure but Intels next generation is also cutting prices much much more massively then usually.
They're bringing down the per core price to a few dollars above AMD, that's a third to near half price reduction and it will riple down.
Just sayin ,these are not normal times or I would heartily agree since gen ten brings little to the table.
 
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You are not describing a unique scenario. That pattern has repeated itself many time in history. And you don't know what will happen in 6 months or 12 months or beyond. Even Intel and AMD or NVIDIA don't know. They may have road maps, but they are not set in stone either. Plans change. Consumer wants change. Factories flood, burn or are destroyed by Earthquakes. Unexpected bugs are discovered. Raw material shortages happen. Tariffs happen!

My point remains the same. Something better is always just around the corner. And since a computer (and its over all performance) is much more than just the CPU, the decision to build now or wait based on one component makes little sense. If you need (or just want) a new computer now, buy now. If you don't need, can't afford, or don't want one now, wait.
 
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You are not describing a unique scenario. That pattern has repeated itself many time in history. And you don't know what will happen in 6 months or 12 months or beyond. Even Intel and AMD or NVIDIA don't know. They may have road maps, but they are not set in stone either. Plans change. Consumer wants change. Factories flood, burn or are destroyed by Earthquakes. Unexpected bugs are discovered. Raw material shortages happen. Tariffs happen!

My point remains the same. Something better is always just around the corner. And since a computer (and its over all performance) is much more than just the CPU, the decision to build now or wait based on one component makes little sense. If you need (or just want) a new computer now, buy now. If you don't need, can't afford, or don't want one now, wait.
Not unique.

Not in all times no.

AMD only just in the last year caught Intel's performance up , when in the last ten years have Intel dropped their prices at all let alone due to competition.

And i want proof not subjective chat.

At least quote me if you're talking to or about me.
 
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Yeah sure but Intels next generation is also cutting prices much much more massively then usually.
They're bringing down the per core price to a few dollars above AMD, that's a third to near half price reduction and it will riple down.
Just sayin ,these are not normal times or I would heartily agree since gen ten brings little to the table.
I'd rather say things are becoming normal now, hopefully we're getting a competitive market instead of Intel milking customers with slights upgrades and new sockets every year or two.
Although, now that AMD has caught up, they will be asking more for their products so I guess we can't really expect great deals in the future.
 
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Im also in market for new PC, im gonna wait until nxt year :)
This 3770k can do another year atleast:p
 
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When betwixt and between generations there are several things to consider:

a) I always advise staying of the bleeding edge". The P67 is one of the nest examples of this whereby the original stepping were found to be defective. The problem was fixed in the B3 stepping. Even tho manufacturers offered free replacement boards... who wants to to a complete rebuild ? We always recommend waiting at last 3 months'; when i did a Z87 build, there were early the board I had chosen had a problem with after "going to sleep", when waking up, all external storage devices wouldn't wake up... buiuld wound up being delayed from August to September till the C0 stepping came out which eliminated the problem. In addition, as production lines are tweaked, yields and overclocking potential improves .... where as xx% might be stable at say 5.0 Ghz with the early CPUs, in later steppings, that % always improves.

b) Refresh or new design ? Not every generation comes with significant changes in technology or feature sets. For example if you were wondering whether to build a new box for a generatiion that was the last to support DDR3 ... or wait for the next one with DDR4 support, that's worth wating for. Other inprovements might include extra PCI lanes whci affect your storage choices or external connectivity.

c) When the technology change is merely a tweak of existing tech and offers speed changes, it's a matter of weighing the increase in cost versus the performance gained. That decision will be unique to each user.

d) As far as the notion that AMD has caught up.... this is both true and not true at the same time depending how you define "caught up". Each platform has it's strengths and weaknesses and does caught up means equalled or passed' or does it mean "close". We build PCs for a purpose and the selection should involve no other factor other than how it meets those intended functions. Things that do not matter are, die size, number of cores. Being smaller doesn't improve performance ... having more cores doesn't help if you are not going to use them. Performance in benchmarks or in things that you never do or do once a year or once in a PCs lifetime should not be involved in the decision process.

Here's an example .... a user came to us with the intent to do a home build for the following usages and couldn't decide which platform to choose. Had been involved in a few similar builds with this usage profile of late and and where in the past, Id just say "this is what you should chose" ... this time i just pointed to TPU reviews and suggested he do his own comparison. The primary usages were.

a) Gaming
b) Work from home (CAD)
c) Wanted to get into Photo Editing / Video Editing.
d) Office suites

I suggested he go to TPU site and look at the reviews looking at reviews for the 3900X and 9900KF. We had a subsequent discussion covering topics such as:

CAD - he noted that a CAD sites he had looked at recommended the 3900X cause it was significantly better in rendering 2D and 3D CAD drawings into 3D models. But he had no rendering software and his firm had never rendered drawings for any project and only used AutoCAD for 2D Drafting. For 2D and 3D, specifically with AutoCAD, it's an Intel / nvidia world. We also discussed what if his form decided to delve into rendering, I suggested that if ya have say 9 CAD workstations, adding a 10th 3900x based box as dedicated rendering station would be best.

Photo / Video Editing - He noted that various photo / video rendering sites had recommended the 3900x and others 9900K. We discussed that performance depends on the application being used. Since he's be using Adobe products, suggested he concentrate focus on those apps.

Gaming - this of course is challenging to pick a best as you could "prove' either outcome merely by pick the games used for testing. While this presented a pickle ... if ya don't wanna choose by looking at which games you play ... there's always TPs summary.

He eventually chose to go Intel and while he thought that Intel would perform better, the difference was not such that he couldn't be swayed by cost or other factors. The tipping point was the 20C CPU temperature 30 watt power difference (room didn't have AC) and wide community overclocking support.

Point being here... make your choices for the right reasons ... how fast a piece of hardware completes a task it will never see is not relevant.... die size is no relevant .... cores are not relevant unless you need more of them. Take the same approach to when to jump into an upgrade ... resist the urge to have a new shiny thing on yoiur desk, make the change only when the benefits are worth the investment.
 
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I plan to upgraded to 9th gen cpu but 10th gen is around the corner. Should I wait or just upgrade now? When 10th gen mainstream will be out?
And then you will be like : Zen 3 is around the corner should i wait or just upgrade now ? :laugh:
 
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At least quote me if you're talking to or about me.
I will quote if you say something worth quoting. You didn't. Or I will quote when it is necessary to ensure all reading know what I am replying to. It wasn't.

Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything. Will the next generation be better than the last? Sure (at least one would hope). So your example just illustrated the norm, not anything unique.

So my advice to the OP remains the same. Something new is always just around the corner. If not the next gen CPU, then it will be the next gen GPU. Or next gen RAM. Or next gen USB. Or next gen SATA or PCIe. So if ready (or you need) to buy now, buy now. If not, wait.
I always advise staying of the bleeding edge".
This is good advice. For one, the bleeding edge cost more - often a lot more and typically does NOT provide a corresponding major boost in performance for that large amount of extra money. Next generations typically only provide small incremental improvements. But also, it is not uncommon for there to be bugs and other unforeseen issues that may need to be worked out with a revision or other upgrade (and hopefully not a recall).
 
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When the 10th gen came out, AMD probably cut price the 3000 series, making whatever AMD has in class a better buy. Yet, this thing always comes up, buy what you need, at good price and que sera sera, whatever will be will be... At least you have your computer running for a good 4 to 5 years. Intel is still far off with their IPC increase, and AMD probably going to make Zen 3 a more efficient Zen 2.
 

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If you do high fps / high refresh rate gaming and especially emulation, you want an Intel chip. Nothing new here.
If you do mostly GPU bound gaming, meaning 60 fps average and 1440p or higher, Ryzen is fine. GPU will be the bottleneck, not the CPU.
At 100+ fps this changes. Games become way more CPU dependant here.

B450 + 3600 is good value/perf. For overall performance that is. Z390 + 9600K is going to win in many games. In the long run 3600 will probably fare better because of SMT. Too early to tell. Next gen consoles will get 8 cores. These will be out in 2020/2021. Games can only utilize 6 or 7 of these cores tho. Not sure if these will feature SMT or not.

Z370/Z390 + 8700K/8086K/9700K/9900K is as good as it gets for gaming and emulation right now.

10th gen is not going to bring much new, it's more of the same. You will see a 10C/20T chip, for gaming, emulation and normal workloads, even 8700K is enough for now.
10C/20T is going to have lower all-core clockspeed than all those chips mentioned, so it's going to perform worse in (high fps) gaming. No-one really needs more than 8C for gaming.
 

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If you do high fps / high refresh rate gaming and especially emulation, you want an Intel chip. Nothing new here.
If you do mostly GPU bound gaming, meaning 60 fps average and 1440p or higher, Ryzen is fine. GPU will be the bottleneck, not the CPU.
At 100+ fps this changes. Games become way more CPU dependant here.

B450 + 3600 is good value/perf. For overall performance that is. Z390 + 9600K is going to win in many games. In the long run 3600 will probably fare better because of SMT. Too early to tell. Next gen consoles will get 8 cores. These will be out in 2020/2021. Games can only utilize 6 or 7 of these cores tho. Not sure if these will feature SMT or not.

Z370/Z390 + 8700K/8086K/9700K/9900K is as good as it gets for gaming and emulation right now.

10th gen is not going to bring much new, it's more of the same. You will see a 10C/20T chip, for gaming, emulation and normal workloads, even 8700K is enough for now.
10C/20T is going to have lower all-core clockspeed than all those chips mentioned, so it's going to perform worse in (high fps) gaming. No-one really needs more than 8C for gaming.
Funny how the same was said of 4 core...
 
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I'd wait. Meantime maybe consider buying a new monitor? 2k res with high refresh rate if you are a geek of the high FPS or maybe consider 4k display? This way the CPU will not bottleneck so much and you can wait till next year when new stuff will be revealed. Plus sooner or later you will want to switch to a better display anyway.
 

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Funny how the same was said of 4 core...
Who said that? Crysis 3 from 2013 can use more than 4C...

Current consoles have 8 cores. Next gen consoles gets 8 cores.
PC games won't need more than 8 cores for many many years. IPC and clockspeed is more important.

You don't buy 10C or more for gaming. It's pointless.
 
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Funny how the same was said of 4 core...
LOL How true.
Who said that?
Ummm, how old are you? ;)

Throughout the history of the computer, similar things have been said over and over again. "32MB of RAM will be more than you will ever need". Yes, megabyte! And that was after 64KB was more than we would ever need.

"1GB of disk space will be more than you will ever need. "

Name the resource and someone, a bunch actually, said it was "more than you will ever need". Or "it's pointless" :rolleyes: to go with anything less.
 
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Well, it is pointless today. Although "many, many years" is a brazen statement. But I do think it likely that 8/16 will be enough for gaming for at least 3-4 years, which is long enough for a platform to become quite outdated anyway.
 
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I completely agree but on the flip side a safe purchase in my opinion would be to match the amount of cores that the PS5 will have. e.g FX8300 is a terrible CPU for gaming theoretically but FIFA 20/Forza Horizon 4 (And other console ports) still run perfectly due to the performance limitations of PS4/Xbox.
 
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