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#1
Hi!

So I think time has come for me to purchase a new rig, this one (E5200, 9800GT Green, dp35dp) just doesn't cut it anymore. I would consider upgrading, but seeing as the LGA 775 top-end CPUs are still expensive (and second-hand at that), mobo has no USB3 support, DDR2, PSU is too weak, GPU as well...does make sense to get a whole new box of gear.
I'm after overall solid performance + decent gaming experience. Nothing fancy, altho I will be softly playing around with clock speeds.
//This choice of mobo stems from possibly upgrading to SLI in the future and it should be okay with OCing the CPU and perhaps the GPU.

Don't suggest ASUS or eVGA =)). MSI and GB are the only ones I can get.

And I know that GTX 780 Ti is better, but the list below consists of components that already stretch my limits a bit.

Also - I have an SSD on standby already, so no need for that.

After much deliberation I've come up with a list of components that I feel will do the trick.

*EDIT*
  • i5 4670k + Hyper 212 Evo
  • GigaByte GTX 770 OC 2GB
  • MSI Z87-G43
  • DDR3 2x4GB 1600C9 Kingston HyperX Blu
  • 650W Chieftec APS-650SB (OEM - Sirtec)

Now, I was considering GTX 760 instead of 770, any input on that? My line of reasoning was that since I want okay performance in, say, 2 years, I should get the latter. However I'm still having doubts as to whether the ~30% price increase justifies the ~25% higher performance.

Any thoughts or constructive criticisms are very welcome!

Miniamba
 
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#2
Your list seems to be pretty good but I would change the PSU with a better quality PSU. What kind of brand that you can get for PSU ?
Haswell is a tough nut to crack unless you are delidding it so I would prefer something more powerful cooler if you are into overclocking it to the last MHz. A big tower cooler like NH-14D or AIO system will be sufficient to cool Haswell.
I would prefer the 760 if you plan to add second card in the future.
 
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Well, the PSU is the one component where I have to choose between okay brand (Chieftec) and unknown. Altho from what I understand PSUs should be rated by their OEM, which in this Chieftec CTG case is Sirtec. Sirtec seems to have quite a decent reputation.
The other brand of PSUs I'm able to get is (considering the high power req) Fortron, but I don't know anything about that one.

Also I should mention, that this rig that I'm on uses a Chieftec PSU since 2009 now and no problems whatsoever.

Regarding the GPU...ideally I wouldn't want to add a second one for monetary reasons, but if push comes to shove I would consider it.
 
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I just did some research on Sirtec and it seems to be a decent PSU manufacturer. I think Fortron is FSP which is also a decent PSU manufacturer but speaking of your experience with Chieftech I don't think there will be a problem with the PSU :)

I would also prefer the 760 for single setup because the perfomance difference is negligible against 770 at significant lower price. ( at least in here it is more about 100$ cheaper than 770 )
 
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I have a habit of getting a new system every 4-5 years, so my one of my concerns is system longevity. Getting a 760 would probably mean that in 2, maximum 3 years time I would really start to feel it. So then my options would be to get another 760 (which wouldn't be available by then probably) for an SLI setup or to buy a whole new series card, which in turn would most likely be bottlenecked by other components...so then I would again have to upgrade those. Neverending stream this, lol. My hope is that 770 will last me that much longer, so that considering the overall system potential and new technologies it would make sense to put a whole new rig together once again. In 4-5 years that is. Another option for me is to become a millionaire and upgrade every year =).
At my location the 760 2GB OC is about 320$ and the 770 2GB OC is 430$.
Oh and the CPU cooling...from what I've read the Hyper 212 can sustain 4670k clocked to about 4.2, I certainly will not be delidding.
 
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#6
I do upgrade my system like 3-4 years since there is no point to upgrade everytime a new shiny GPU or CPU being released, well I actually want to but my wallet would be crying for months if I do :D
According W1z's GPU performance chart 770 is about 20% faster than 760 but I don't think if that's worth another 100$ since you can easily OC the 760 to close or match 770's performance. The only thing that intrigues me about the 770 is its 7Gbps memory..
If you are targetting 4.2 GHz I think 212 Evo will be sufficient but then again overclocking Haswell can be frustating if you get a bad clocker chip because you will need tons of voltage to drive the clock up and thus increasing the heat.
You might as well check Haswell overclocking thread here to know more about overclocking Haswell :D
 
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*UPDATE*

Hokay, so by now I've changed my mind about future SLIing. Which means that the mobo isn't really necessary, also the Z87X-UD3H seems to have problems with BIOS and GPU usage. So I've switched it to MSI Z87-G43.
770 GTX OC as the GPU choice now seems the better option.
Also, since SLI is out of the picture I've downgraded the PSU (power-wise) to a Chieftec 700W GPS-700A8 (OEM - CWT).

Can anyone speculate if the 4670k will be a bottleneck in, for example, 2-3 years when I might decide to upgrade the GPU with whatever will be available at that point?
 
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  • i5 4670k + Hyper 212 Evo
  • GigaByte GTX 770 OC 2GB
  • MSI Z87-G43
  • DDR3 2x4GB 1600C9 Kingston HyperX Blu
  • 700W Chieftec GPS-700A8 (OEM - CWT)
This is a great combination and will definitely serve you for 3-4 years depending on how high settings you like to play games.
I know the Chieftec brand is not too popular in America but here in Europe it's considered pretty solid.
Can anyone speculate if the 4670k will be a bottleneck in, for example, 2-3 years when I might decide to upgrade the GPU with whatever will be available at that point?
I don't think so but than you can change the cooler master hyper 212 for something better and OC it more.
 
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#9
I am glad that you figured what you really need for your rig. It's going to last for a long time indeed ;)
PSU is still a bit overpowered for single GPU but CWT built PSU is definitely not a bad PSU at all.

I would still be rocking my 4670K until atleast second-gen 14nm intel CPU comes out. Hopefully we can get atleast hexa-core on mainstream product :p
Well, if you ever need more CPU perf you should OC the 4670k to its limit and hopefully you get a nice chip :peace:
 
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Well, if you ever need more CPU perf you should OC the 4670k to its limit and hopefully you get a nice chip :peace:
I surely hope so =)). Ordered the case, once it arrives it'll be on like donkey kong. Very excited, I miss that smell of a new system in the morning.
 
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Which case did you choose if I may ask?
Got me a Zalman Z1. Didn't want to spend much on a case, and this one seems very nice for its price.
 
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Got me a Zalman Z1. Didn't want to spend much on a case, and this one seems very nice for its price.
Yup that's a nice looking case.
 
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Once again I'm confused. Since I am planning on OCing the 4670k I do need a good mobo. But I see people saying that the G43 does not have very good voltage control. But then again the OCing will be pretty average, nothing special. So some suggest getting a GigaByte Z87X-UD3H instead.
There are two reasons why I switched from Z87X-UD3H to G43:
1. The Z87X-UD3H supposedly has problems with BIOS updates and GPU handling
2. Z87X-UD3H is 225$, the G43 is 131$.

I only choose between these two because these are only ones I can get (LGA1150, Z87).
MSI G43, MSI G43 Gaming, Z87X-UD3H; priced respectively.
Gaming seems to be marginally better, not even sure how exactly apart from better network controller, so I'm not paying attention to it.

Is the difference worth it?

*EDIT*

Just found out Haswell refresh is rumored to be released in a month. Should I wait perhaps?
The refreshed line does seem a tiny bit better...but the K-series come out only in Q3 sometime.

*EDIT2*

Also - if I do NOT plan on SLIing is there any advantage to Z87 over H87?
 
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How on newegg it's 159$
I don't buy from newegg, those are the prices available to me.
 
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Hi again Miniamba :clap:
I don't think there would be any problem with voltage control with the G43. I am aware it only has 6 power phases while many boards have more than twice than that but Haswell doesn't consume much power at all. Or is it BIOS related problem with voltage control ?
I haven't heard problem either with UD3H since a friend of mine is running fine with it.
I would say go with motherboard that really suits your needs and budget. I chose mine because it got a good review by cadaveca ( one of TPU reviewer ) and it was one of the only motherboard that was available here.

I would try to wait to see if Haswell refresh has better TIM than the current one but if you are in a rush to build your computer then I would say go for it :pimp:

I think you will have more overclocking option in Z87 than in H87 but I heard some manufacturers providing "unlocked" BIOS to these H87 boards but I don't know if it has the same capability exactly like the Z87.
 
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The Z97 chipset and boards will be out in a month, why not wait until then to see if a better board is available to you, and the Haswell refresh CPUs will definitely be better, as Intel is addressing the overheat problem as well as bumping the speed a notch. I know, waiting sucks, but so does finding out you bought too soon...
 
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Hi again Miniamba :clap:
I don't think there would be any problem with voltage control with the G43. I am aware it only has 6 power phases while many boards have more than twice than that but Haswell doesn't consume much power at all. Or is it BIOS related problem with voltage control ?
...
I would try to wait to see if Haswell refresh has better TIM than the current one but if you are in a rush to build your computer then I would say go for it :pimp:

I think you will have more overclocking option in Z87 than in H87 but I heard some manufacturers providing "unlocked" BIOS to these H87 boards but I don't know if it has the same capability exactly like the Z87.
Hai, tom_mili =).
To my knowledge the warnings about voltage control on G43 were based on the number of power phases, yes. Haven't seen threads or articles about problems with the BIOS.
I'm not in a rush per say, but since because of what I do I spend almost every waking hour behind my computer it would be nice to get a new one.
I double-checked the available H87 boards and I can only get Intel mobos anyway, so no go on that. Seems like G43 it is then.

The Z97 chipset and boards will be out in a month, why not wait until then to see if a better board is available to you, and the Haswell refresh CPUs will definitely be better, as Intel is addressing the overheat problem as well as bumping the speed a notch. I know, waiting sucks, but so does finding out you bought too soon...
I don't think they'll be cheap in the beginning. Especially where I live (Estonia), which is a third-world country if judged by hardware suppliers. As for the refresh having better TIM, as tom_mili said, ... I won't go crazy with OCing, I only want to bump it to 4.2, or even 4.4 perhaps. If I get a good one that is.
The 100MHz speed increase isn't really anything to wait for IMHO.
Tell me if my reasoning is flawed =).
 
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I don't buy from newegg, those are the prices available to me.
Can you provide a link to an e-shop you plan on buying from so that we can see what are your options.

EDIT: This one seems pretty good:
http://datagate.ee/pc-components/motherboards/gigabyte-gaz87xsli-z87-dualddr31600-sata3-hdmi-atx/
or
http://datagate.ee/pc-components/motherboards/msi-z87g55-z87-dualddr31600-sata3-raid-hdmi-atx/

EDIT
or stretch you budget and get this and call it done
http://datagate.ee/pc-components/mo...y-z87-killer-z87-dualddr31600-sata3-raid-atx/

here is a guy that overclocked a 4670K on it
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answe...g-asrock-fatal1ty-z87-killer-motherboard.html
 
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Can you provide a link to an e-shop you plan on buying from so that we can see what are your options. Is the MSI Z87-GD65 out of your options?
Sure - ordi.ee. Sadly it's only in estonian, but if you really want you can choose "komponendid" (components) from the left-hand menu, first choice down will be "emaplaadid" (motherboards). And yes, the GD-65 is almost twice as expensive and it does not seem to have benefits to justify that.

As for this retailer, it's not only an e-shop, it has real store(s) as well, I have a long history with them. The main reason for going to them is that I choose the components and they give me 3-year warranty on the resulting system + I know the company won't disappear.
 
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I was afraid you will say this one. They really don't have a wide range of boards. It really does come down to these two: MSI Z87-G43 or Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H.
I would still go with the MSI Z87-G43 the price difference is too much.
Well, I CAN go the other route and get myself all the parts from dubious e-shops and such, however that doesn't offer the peace of mind that if something fails I can just take the system to their store and ask for a repair/new part.
The G43 does indeed seem the better option.
 
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Well, I CAN go the other route and get myself all the parts from dubious e-shops and such, however that doesn't offer the peace of mind that if something fails I can just take the system to their store and ask for a repair/new part.
Yeah I completely understand that. I buy my parts locally as well. If something is a problem just take it to the shop and they give you a new one. Luckily to knock on wood never had to do that.
 
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http://www.ordi.ee/EPood/Product.aspx?MC=KOMP&IC=1100&PGC=LGA1150&ItemID=1100-2684

If this is the black and red board with the MSI Dragon it should be ok.
Somehow this part of the post didn't show up when I replied previously.
That one is indeed the black&red board with the dragon, however it's the MSI Z87-G43 Gaming, and it's 30€ (40$) more expensive than the normal MSI Z87-G43
http://www.ordi.ee/EPood/Product.aspx?MC=KOMP&IC=1100&Page=4&ItemID=1100-2665

The only difference between these two to my eye is that the Gaming version has enhanced LAN capabilities, but that isn't a factor for me.
Well maybe it looks a bit cooler too but that's just completely irrelevant.