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Buildzoid's 3700x Static Overclock Degrades Processor

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Just noticed this, it may be of interest. It appears Buildzoid's static overclock on his 3700x has degraded the processor:

 

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Just noticed this, it may be of interest. It appears Buildzoid's static overclock on his 3700x has degraded the processor:

I dont see anything?

 
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Doesn't say if its just MSI, and with the recent VRM issue (HWU) I wonder i this is related degrading # drawmorepower = loads the VRM more etc failing VRM? Does sound like OCP on VRM
 

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Doesn't say if its just MSI, and with the recent VRM issue (HWU) I wonder i this is related degrading # drawmorepower = loads the VRM more etc failing VRM? Does sound like OCP on VRM
He hasnt tried another motherboard.
 
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The posted link should lead to comments, not a video:

buildzoid cpu fry.png
 
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I'm not exactly surprised. Ryzens (2) are pushed to the top from the factory. Pushing them over leads to degradation. Who'd have thought?
 

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I feel like there is more to this story than what is in the link. Until all facts present themselves, I have a hard time blindly accepting this. The OP I mean, not the comments.
 

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I feel like there is more to this story than what is in the link. Until all facts present themselves, I have a hard time blindly accepting this. The OP I mean, not the comments.
I agree myself, what could appear as chip degradation could truly be vrm degradation.
 
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I feel like there is more to this story than what is in the link. Until all facts present themselves, I have a hard time blindly accepting this. The OP I mean, not the comments.
Couldn't agree more, I simply stumbled across it and thought it might be of interest as a heads-up, I expect further information and a fuller explanation to be forthcoming, I am not suggesting that anything should be read into this, as it stands, but if Buildzoid thought it was worthy of mention, I thought it would do no harm to share it here.
 
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I agree myself, what could appear as chip degradation could truly be vrm degradation.
If I'm not mistaken BZ is using high-end motherboards for OC and VRM wise can handle 2x3700X on OC. I can believe the degradation of ZEN2. I mentioned it in every chance I get, in every thread relative to ZEN2 OC and informing users to forget about free extra performance on 7nm and all forthcoming nodes.
Study thoroughly the auto boost/voltage behavior of these chips, and what it does with PPT/TDC/EDC limits and all add-up. PBO limits are not only product segmentation. Its silicon preservation too handled by silicon FITness controller. Static OC it you tied its hands and send it home...

BZ has several videos talking about temps, current, voltages and degradation and all ZEN2 users (at least) must watch.
 
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If I'm not mistaken BZ is using high-end motherboards for OC and VRM wise can handle 2x3700X on OC. I can believe the degradation of ZEN2. I mentioned it in every chance I get, in every thread relative to ZEN2 OC and informing users to forget about free extra performance on 7nm and all forthcoming nodes.
Study thoroughly the auto boost/voltage behavior of these chips, and what it does with PPT/TDC/EDC limits and all add-up. PBO limits are not only product segmentation. Its silicon preservation too handled by silicon FITness controller. Static OC it you tied its hands and send it home...

BZ has several videos talking about temps, current, voltages and degradation and all ZEN2 users (at least) must watch.
Don't have much personal Experience with Zen2 apart from a a day testing , comparing it with my 1700. But in all the Years I've been running AMD I've never really suffered from the phenomena, expect perhaps Mildly with an Oppy 165 on Socket 939. I should read the thread in youtube to see if he comments on what boards have been used to "degrade" and if this CPU does this work on another manufacturers board.
 
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If something degraded it wasn't because buildzoid was being careful with it. So unless you're willing to go as far as him you should be OK.
 
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I think preple are forgetting Buildzoid is an extreme overclocker. Who know how much volt he pushed through his 3700X??
 
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@buildzoid is around on these forums, why don't we ask him?
 
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Upper 1.3V means from 1.36 - 1.39V higher than 1.325 that MB makers recomands.
Yes, and the 1.328V that my 6700K has run on for the last 3 years is also higher than the 1.2V it is intended to use.

And the 1.36V that my i7 920 ran on for 5 years is also higher than the 1.26 it was supposed to use.

Neither of those chips degraded over time because the manufacturing processes they were built with were quite capable of dealing with the extra voltage as long as cooling was available.

We've been able to run chips well out of spec with no ill effect, for decades. If 7nm can't do that, that's *new* and doesn't deserve you being so damn condescending about it. Especially considering you're trying to educate someone who can easily break down the VRM and Phase layout of a motherboard to the level of individual ICs and calculate the current capability on the fly while he does so.

Buildzoid is no idiot, don't act like he is.
 
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Bullzoid ran 1.375V
 
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Please understand that by posting this, I was not attempting to promote controversy in any form. I assumed that Buildzoid's insight into the degradation would prove of interest, I am neither suggesting that there is cause for concern or that Buildzoid was unaware of what he was doing: he is an overclocker who was pushing the processor beyond its limits.

Doesn't say if its just MSI, and with the recent VRM issue (HWU) I wonder i this is related degrading # drawmorepower = loads the VRM more etc failing VRM? Does sound like OCP on VRM
I believe the Hardware Unboxed article referred to a specific motherboard, or motherboards below a certain price point, it would be wrong to imply that all MSI boards have VRM issues.

I'm not exactly surprised. Ryzens (2) are pushed to the top from the factory. Pushing them over leads to degradation. Who'd have thought?
Agreed, but if his intention was to determine the precise limits, surely we have something to learn?

MSI enlists the high volt, so you are running 75mV extra!

This lootcrate was even pushing
beforehands.

You cannot set above 1.25v via MSI and if you are in for advice, 1.225v at most.

He was rolling at 1.45v when he hit the pavement.
Your post is simultaneously informative and offensive. I was unaware that MSI boards overcompensated for voltage, so I thank you for that, but is there any need to refer to Buildzoid as a "lootcrate", particularly when his intention never was to remain within the safe operating limits of the chip?

I agree myself, what could appear as chip degradation could truly be vrm degradation.
That is of interest, I hope it becomes clear.

If something degraded it wasn't because buildzoid was being careful with it. So unless you're willing to go as far as him you should be OK.
Precisely, it was not my intention to suggest that there is cause for alarm.

@buildzoid is around on these forums, why don't we ask him?
I was unaware that Buildzoid was a member, I hope he sees fit to provide some clarification.

Yes, and the 1.328V that my 6700K has run on for the last 3 years is also higher than the 1.2V it is intended to use.

And the 1.36V that my i7 920 ran on for 5 years is also higher than the 1.26 it was supposed to use.

Neither of those chips degraded over time because the manufacturing processes they were built with were quite capable of dealing with the extra voltage as long as cooling was available.

We've been able to run chips well out of spec with no ill effect, for decades. If 7nm can't do that, that's *new* and doesn't deserve you being so damn condescending about it. Especially considering you're trying to educate someone who can easily break down the VRM and Phase layout of a motherboard to the level of individual ICs and calculate the current capability on the fly while he does so.

Buildzoid is no idiot, don't act like he is.
You give me hope that my original post is of interest by raising the same questions I have myself. I would say to everyone that my intention was not to suggest that Buildzoid was an idiot or to expose him to any form of attack.
 
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He is a kid and gullible. It is just not something sported by old incendiary folk such as me. I served my time of gleeful ignorance. I cannot say I condone his negligence, it's supposed to be instrumental. He is not received as an amateur. This isn't a tidepod challenge.
 
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This brings me to something I have noticed in my own experiences. I had the 1700 and 1.3 volts was great for 3.9 GHZ, the 2600 at 1.27 volts would do 4.2 GHZ all day long the 1900X would do 4.1 GHZ @ 1.3, the 1920X would do 4.1 GHZ @ 1.25 volts and now the 2920X runs at 4.2 GHZ @ 1.215 volts. Running a 3700X @ 1.375 volts may be actually dangerous as the 65W TDP vs the 105W for the 3800X should be observed.
 
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I agree myself, what could appear as chip degradation could truly be vrm degradation.
Or both, though I'm leaning towards the actual Si taking the major hit! At constant high voltages (like 1.45V?) the chips going to degrade faster, that's a given, the rate though IMO would depend on the load the chip's sustaining during that time as well as the (total) time it's been running. Basically it's YMWV & this is why I generally like to undervolt chips, especially locked ones.
 
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