Please understand that by posting this, I was not attempting to promote controversy in any form. I assumed that Buildzoid's insight into the degradation would prove of interest, I am neither suggesting that there is cause for concern or that Buildzoid was unaware of what he was doing: he is an overclocker who was pushing the processor beyond its limits.
Doesn't say if its just MSI, and with the recent VRM issue (HWU) I wonder i this is related degrading # drawmorepower = loads the VRM more etc failing VRM? Does sound like OCP on VRM
I believe the Hardware Unboxed article referred to a specific motherboard, or motherboards below a certain price point, it would be wrong to imply that all MSI boards have VRM issues.
I'm not exactly surprised. Ryzens (2) are pushed to the top from the factory. Pushing them over leads to degradation. Who'd have thought?
Agreed, but if his intention was to determine the precise limits, surely we have something to learn?
MSI enlists the high volt, so you are running 75mV extra!
This lootcrate was even pushing
beforehands.
You cannot set above 1.25v via MSI and if you are in for advice, 1.225v at most.
He was rolling at 1.45v when he hit the pavement.
Your post is simultaneously informative and offensive. I was unaware that MSI boards overcompensated for voltage, so I thank you for that, but is there any need to refer to Buildzoid as a "lootcrate", particularly when his intention never was to remain within the safe operating limits of the chip?
I agree myself, what could appear as chip degradation could truly be vrm degradation.
That is of interest, I hope it becomes clear.
If something degraded it wasn't because buildzoid was being careful with it. So unless you're willing to go as far as him you should be OK.
Precisely, it was not my intention to suggest that there is cause for alarm.
@buildzoid is around on these forums, why don't we ask him?
I was unaware that Buildzoid was a member, I hope he sees fit to provide some clarification.
Yes, and the 1.328V that my 6700K has run on for the last 3 years is also higher than the 1.2V it is intended to use.
And the 1.36V that my i7 920 ran on for 5 years is also higher than the 1.26 it was supposed to use.
Neither of those chips degraded over time because the manufacturing processes they were built with were quite capable of dealing with the extra voltage as long as cooling was available.
We've been able to run chips well out of spec with no ill effect, for decades. If 7nm can't do that, that's *new* and doesn't deserve you being so damn condescending about it. Especially considering you're trying to educate someone who can easily break down the VRM and Phase layout of a motherboard to the level of individual ICs and calculate the current capability on the fly while he does so.
Buildzoid is no idiot, don't act like he is.
You give me hope that my original post is of interest by raising the same questions I have myself. I would say to everyone that my intention was not to suggest that Buildzoid was an idiot or to expose him to any form of attack.