• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Built in batteries.. good or bad..

Aquinus

Resident Wat-man
Joined
Jan 28, 2012
Messages
13,147 (2.94/day)
Location
Concord, NH, USA
System Name Apollo
Processor Intel Core i9 9880H
Motherboard Some proprietary Apple thing.
Memory 64GB DDR4-2667
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon Pro 5600M, 8GB HBM2
Storage 1TB Apple NVMe, 4TB External
Display(s) Laptop @ 3072x1920 + 2x LG 5k Ultrafine TB3 displays
Case MacBook Pro (16", 2019)
Audio Device(s) AirPods Pro, Sennheiser HD 380s w/ FIIO Alpen 2, or Logitech 2.1 Speakers
Power Supply 96w Power Adapter
Mouse Logitech MX Master 3
Keyboard Logitech G915, GL Clicky
Software MacOS 12.1
Meanwhile, I'm stilling using an almost 5 year old iPhone 4s and the battery still works just fine. I'm not worried about it.
 
Joined
Sep 9, 2009
Messages
1,168 (0.22/day)
Location
Austria, Europe
System Name Bang4Buck
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900x
Motherboard MSI PRESTIGE x570 CREATION
Cooling Fractal Design Celsius S36
Memory 32Gb 4400Mhz Patriot Viper Steel(Samsung B-die) @ 3800Mhz 16-16-16-32-48-1T @ 1.38v
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 3080 Ti Suprim X
Storage Adata SX8200Pro 512Gb/2x Crucial P1 1Tb/Samsung 840 EVO/6Tb Raid -HGST Enterprise/2x IronWolf 8Tb/
Display(s) Samsung UE49KS8002 4K HDR TV (US - 9 series)
Case Fractal Design Define R6 Black Usb-C
Audio Device(s) HDMI out to Denon X4400H reciever, 2x Dali Zensor 7, Dali Zensor Vokal, 2x Dali Zensor 1, Yamaha Sub
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Ultra 750W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed
Keyboard Logitech K520
Software Windows 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26216445
ps.. i think the samsung recall was down to built in batteries.. trying to make the batteries too thin.. it would not have happened with tougher more rigid replaceable batteries..

Wow...and you know that based on what?

About charge/discharge cycles:

"Rechargeable battery life is typically defined as the number of full charge-discharge cycles before significant capacity loss. Storage also reduces capacity.

Manufacturers' information typically specify lifespan in terms of the number of cycles (e.g., capacity dropping linearly to 80% over 500 cycles), with no mention of chronological age. Research rejects this common industry practice. On average, lifetimes consist of 1000 cycles, although battery performance is rarely specified for more than 500 cycles. This means that batteries of mobile phones, or other hand-held devices in daily use, are not expected to last longer than three years. Some batteries based on carbon anodes offer more than 10,000 cycles."
 

AsRock

TPU addict
Joined
Jun 23, 2007
Messages
18,871 (3.07/day)
Location
UK\USA
Processor AMD 3900X \ AMD 7700X
Motherboard ASRock AM4 X570 Pro 4 \ ASUS X670Xe TUF
Cooling D15
Memory Patriot 2x16GB PVS432G320C6K \ G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3238F 2x16GB
Video Card(s) eVga GTX1060 SSC \ XFX RX 6950XT RX-695XATBD9
Storage Sammy 860, MX500, Sabrent Rocket 4 Sammy Evo 980 \ 1xSabrent Rocket 4+, Sammy 2x990 Pro
Display(s) Samsung 1080P \ LG 43UN700
Case Fractal Design Pop Air 2x140mm fans from Torrent \ Fractal Design Torrent 2 SilverStone FHP141x2
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V677 \ Yamaha CX-830+Yamaha MX-630 Infinity RS4000\Paradigm P Studio 20, Blue Yeti
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TX-750 \ Corsair RM1000X Shift
Mouse Steelseries Sensei wireless \ Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard Logitech K120 \ Wooting Two HE
Benchmark Scores Meh benchmarks.
I keep away from built in battery items as much as possible, how ever you can normally pick up a replacement online but then your running a great risk of buying a fire hazard to be.

So to me they are bad and is a no buy item for me. Buying a item to be crippled due to a battery is just not except-able.

And there is the requirement of battery charging that people demand which is fast charging which only destroys battery's even faster and left no option to slow charge options.
 
Joined
Feb 2, 2012
Messages
65 (0.01/day)
Location
Tehran, Iran
Processor AMD FX 6100
Motherboard ASUS M5A78L LE
Cooling Thermalright Macho
Memory Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 + (1 x 2GB)
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon RX 470 Miner 4GB used for Gaming
Storage WD Green 1TB Hard Drive
Display(s) LG 25UM65P
Power Supply Antec HCG 520
Software Windows 10 Pro
I think it's definitely a bad thing to have a non-removable battery.
I remember those times I had a second battery for my LG L90 and whenever there was no power outlet or even a computer it was pretty useful. But nowadays I think they want to sell you those stupid Powerbanks. ;) But you can stick to LG if that's your only concern.

The thing I worry about more are those hardware buttons which occupy half an inch for just three buttons and I can't understand why many people prefer hardware buttons!:banghead:
 
Joined
Jun 24, 2010
Messages
278 (0.06/day)
System Name MSI GT72S 6QE
Processor Core i7 6820HK
Motherboard Intel Sunrise Point CM236
Cooling 2 fans
Memory 2x 8 GB SO-DIMM DDR4-RAM (2133 MHz)
Video Card(s) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M - 8192 MB
Storage 1 ssd 3 hard drives
Display(s) 17.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel, LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF1 (LGD0469), IPS, Full HD
Case ??!!!
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC899
Power Supply most beautiful brick you have ever seen
Looking at LG V20 or LG G5 for this exact reason. I don't like non replaceable batteries.
Samsung could have avoided the note disaster if they could have handed out free new batteries to their customers.
Apples battery life is awful after about 1 year of use. Be ready to plug it in shortly after lunch. If that is not your experience than you won the battery lottery.
 
Joined
Aug 16, 2016
Messages
1,025 (0.37/day)
Location
Croatistan
System Name 1.21 gigawatts!
Processor Intel Core i7 6700K
Motherboard MSI Z170A Krait Gaming 3X
Cooling Be Quiet! Shadow Rock Slim with Arctic MX-4
Memory 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3000 MHz
Video Card(s) Palit GTX 1080 Game Rock
Storage Mushkin Triactor 240GB + Toshiba X300 4TB + Team L3 EVO 480GB
Display(s) Philips 237E7QDSB/00 23" FHD AH-IPS
Case Aerocool Aero-1000 white + 4 Arctic F12 PWM Rev.2 fans
Audio Device(s) Onboard Audio Boost 3 with Nahimic Audio Enhancer
Power Supply FSP Hydro G 650W
Mouse Cougar 700M eSports white
Keyboard E-Blue Cobra II
Software Windows 8.1 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R15: 948 (stock) / 1044 (4,7 GHz) FarCry 5 1080p Ultra: min 100, avg 116, max 133 FPS
apart from that the form factor is what its about.. shaving the odd millimeter of these phones phablets and laptops seems a major selling point.. having a (user) replaceable battery isnt..
That seems to be very important selling point, but I think that the most important reason for manufacturers is cost reduction and thus bigger profit margin. It's not that they are going to lower consumer prices because of the "non-replaceable" batteries.

Many people still don't get it that phones thickness is not so relevant, unlike its length and width. In other words, marketing brainwashed people about phone thickness. It doesn't make any difference if a phone is 10 mm thick or 6 mm thick when its dimensions surpass 140 mm in length and 70 mm in width. This is because 140 mm length 70 mm width are pretty much the maximum for "comfortable" handling for an average person.
A few years ago researchers concluded that 4.3" smartphones are the best compromise between comfortable handling and usability. Today, we have 5.0" phones which are not very comfortable for use and 5.5" phablets which are way too big to be comfortable. They even don't fit comfortably in the pockets and there's no way that you can use them with one hand, unless you are 2 meter (6'7") giant.


i always think 300 to 500 charge/discharge cycles as the life time of a lithium battery.. many a phone in daily use will hit these figure easily within two years.. oddly enough when these phones do fail its now called a battery fault.. he he
things that dont get used as much will have a reasonable life span before the battery wears out so will some phones but in the end it does come down to how much use a device gets..
There are many ways to prolong battery life, but hardly anyone uses them. For the example, my battery lasts approx. 5 days before I need to recharge. People look at me strangely when I show them my battery statistics. :D
First, turn off automatic brightness and set it to manual to about 40-50%. Mine is at ~40%. Turn off GPS, turn off wifi when you don't need it, turn off automatic synchronization and synchronize manually only when you need it. ...and there you go! Now battery will last for 3+ days without charging. :)

one other thing that has not been mentioned is the fact that these batteries simply degrade with age.. the higher level of charge they are kept at the quicker they degrade.. how quickly isnt exactly known.. at least not by me but degrade they do..
Batteries tend to produce extra heat when charging and it affects their lifetime; apart from charging/discharging cycles which slowly but surely reduce their lifetime.
 
Joined
Dec 18, 2005
Messages
8,253 (1.23/day)
System Name money pit..
Processor Intel 9900K 4.8 at 1.152 core voltage minus 0.120 offset
Motherboard Asus rog Strix Z370-F Gaming
Cooling Dark Rock TF air cooler.. Stock vga air coolers with case side fans to help cooling..
Memory 32 gb corsair vengeance 3200
Video Card(s) Palit Gaming Pro OC 2080TI
Storage 150 nvme boot drive partition.. 1T Sandisk sata.. 1T Transend sata.. 1T 970 evo nvme m 2..
Display(s) 27" Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 165Hrz Nvidia G-Sync, IPS.. 2560x1440..
Case Gigabyte mid-tower.. cheap and nothing special..
Audio Device(s) onboard sounds with stereo amp..
Power Supply EVGA 850 watt..
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech K270
Software Win 10 pro..
Benchmark Scores Firestike 29500.. timepsy 14000..
your battery will last even longer if you do not use your phone all.. :)

but having to piss about with so many power saving measures just to prolong battery life does make a strong case against built in batteries.. its a lot easier to bung in a new battery when old one wears out.. or should i say it used to be.. he he..

shaving that tiny fraction of the thickness of these devices is also pretty dumb.. something samsung have just found out.. making them thinner is the main reason i see for built in batteries.. they can claim they have made their new 6 inch screen sized phone smaller than ever.. :)

dont get me wrong here.. when i look at my super thin phone i am kind of amazed they have managed to cram a 3200 battery in there.. something that in the past i would have thought impossible..

but i cant help but think such a device bunged in someones back pocket and sat on a few times aint exactly safe.. they are a perfect fit for back pockets.... :)

i also expect to see more fire hazard built in battery recalls in the future.. flexy flexy flexy fizzle fizzle fizzle.. he he

trog

ps.. the desire for fast charging i think is also connected to the inability to simply swap out a spare battery when more run time is needed.. fast charging for sure wont help battery life times or fire hazard risks..

built in batteries is something we are gonna see more of thats for sure.. and i do admit to being a little old fashioned in my thinking.. he he
 
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 16, 2016
Messages
1,025 (0.37/day)
Location
Croatistan
System Name 1.21 gigawatts!
Processor Intel Core i7 6700K
Motherboard MSI Z170A Krait Gaming 3X
Cooling Be Quiet! Shadow Rock Slim with Arctic MX-4
Memory 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3000 MHz
Video Card(s) Palit GTX 1080 Game Rock
Storage Mushkin Triactor 240GB + Toshiba X300 4TB + Team L3 EVO 480GB
Display(s) Philips 237E7QDSB/00 23" FHD AH-IPS
Case Aerocool Aero-1000 white + 4 Arctic F12 PWM Rev.2 fans
Audio Device(s) Onboard Audio Boost 3 with Nahimic Audio Enhancer
Power Supply FSP Hydro G 650W
Mouse Cougar 700M eSports white
Keyboard E-Blue Cobra II
Software Windows 8.1 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R15: 948 (stock) / 1044 (4,7 GHz) FarCry 5 1080p Ultra: min 100, avg 116, max 133 FPS
shaving that tiny fraction of the thickness of these devices is also pretty dumb.. something samsung have just found out.. making them thinner is the main reason i see for built in batteries.. they can claim they have made their new 6 inch screen sized phone smaller than ever.. :)
I agree. They need a new marketing "tool", so phone thickness fits in there perfectly. If they want to improve smartphone, they could make bigger screen-to-body ratio and keep phone dimensions within reasonable limits.

they are a perfect fit for back pockets.... :)
Unless you need to sit down, run or ride a bicycle.

i also expect to see more fire hazard built in battery recalls in the future.. flexy flexy flexy fizzle fizzle fizzle.. he he
Quality and safety will always suffer when companies become too hungry for profits. It's capitalism.

ps.. the desire for fast charging i think is also connected to the inability to simply swap out a spare battery when more run time is needed.. fast charging for sure wont help battery life times or fire hazard risks..
I would say it's general stupidity. People tend to spend to much time on their smartphones, so no wonder that they need to charge them every day or even twice a day. For internet and some business work, there's a PC or a laptop.
I know people who have good PC's and laptops but rather choose to surf on their smartphones, while their computers collect dust. Beyond me. My ex is one of such weirdos. Yep, her battery barely endured a day without charging.

built in batteries is something we are gonna see more of thats for sure.. and i do admit to being a little old fashioned in my thinking.. he he
Yep, it seems that non-replaceable batteries and "super comfortable" smartphones (this: https://data.motor-talk.de/data/gal...oqueta-com-1407081141-6759564648084126302.jpg) that are only 4,1 mm thick are our future; because their length and width seem totally irrelevant to some people and manufacturers. I might start a business by producing backpacks for "supet-thin-extra-comfortable 20" phablets that, wait for it, are "super thin and can fit into your backpack!". :D
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
18,925 (2.86/day)
Location
Piteå
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 5600
Motherboard Asrock B450M-HDV
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury 3400mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston A400 240GB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Line6 UX1 + some headphones, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Cherry MX Board 1.0 TKL Brown
VR HMD Acer Mixed Reality Headset
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
It's honestly not hard to change a "non-replacable" battery. All that means is it's probably stuck in the phone with a sticky pad or something under 100 torx screws with a flat ribbon cable connecting it to the mainboard.

Often you have to use heatguns to remove glass. Or some kind of suction cups. Which isn't hard if you've done it before. If you're not very practical by nature and upbringing and have no time learning how to be practical, it is a biatch to do. And even then you have to have the time for it.
 

hat

Enthusiast
Joined
Nov 20, 2006
Messages
21,731 (3.42/day)
Location
Ohio
System Name Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor i7 2600k 4.4GHz :: i5 10400
Motherboard ASUS P8P67 Pro :: ASUS Prime H570-Plus
Cooling Cryorig M9 :: Stock
Memory 4x4GB DDR3 2133 :: 2x8GB DDR4 2400
Video Card(s) PNY GTX1070 :: Integrated UHD 630
Storage Crucial MX500 1TB, 2x1TB Seagate RAID 0 :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, 3x4TB Seagate HDD RAID5
Display(s) Onn 165hz 1080p :: Acer 1080p
Case Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - Bose Companion 2 Series III :: None
Power Supply FSP Hydro GE 550w :: EVGA Supernova 550
Software Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores >9000
Yeah, I had a bad experience trying to replace the glass on my Moto G. But that didn't have anything to do with the battery, though...
 
D

Deleted member 24505

Guest
I used to be dead against them, but now I don't see a problem. I am getting over 5 hours screen on time on my old(now) HTC one m8. Plus I have just rooted it and have got Android 7.1.1 nougat running fine on it. Its still a sweet phone.

I don't see the point turning everything off to make the battery last longer. I use my phone heavily and still get over 5 hours active(screen on) I just charge it every night. If you want your battery to last longer, just turn it off, and only turn it on when you want to text or call.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Feb 25, 2006
Messages
531 (0.08/day)
Location
West Bend, Wisconsin
System Name DELL Inspiron 5400 AIO / HP 17 ca1065cl
Processor 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz / Ryzen 5 3500u
Memory 16GB /12GB
Video Card(s) NVIDIA MX 330 / Radeon Vega 8
Storage 1TB +SSD
Display(s) 23.8 inch touch screen 17.3 touch screen
Case DELL AIO / HP LAPTOP
Mouse Dell Wireless /LOGITECH
Keyboard Dell Wireless / HP LAPTOP
Software WINDOWS 11
Ain't all tablets and phones have internal battery? I know my ipad 2 mini does its a rechargable one.
 

AsRock

TPU addict
Joined
Jun 23, 2007
Messages
18,871 (3.07/day)
Location
UK\USA
Processor AMD 3900X \ AMD 7700X
Motherboard ASRock AM4 X570 Pro 4 \ ASUS X670Xe TUF
Cooling D15
Memory Patriot 2x16GB PVS432G320C6K \ G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3238F 2x16GB
Video Card(s) eVga GTX1060 SSC \ XFX RX 6950XT RX-695XATBD9
Storage Sammy 860, MX500, Sabrent Rocket 4 Sammy Evo 980 \ 1xSabrent Rocket 4+, Sammy 2x990 Pro
Display(s) Samsung 1080P \ LG 43UN700
Case Fractal Design Pop Air 2x140mm fans from Torrent \ Fractal Design Torrent 2 SilverStone FHP141x2
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V677 \ Yamaha CX-830+Yamaha MX-630 Infinity RS4000\Paradigm P Studio 20, Blue Yeti
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TX-750 \ Corsair RM1000X Shift
Mouse Steelseries Sensei wireless \ Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard Logitech K120 \ Wooting Two HE
Benchmark Scores Meh benchmarks.
I used to be dead against them, but now I don't see a problem. I am getting over 5 hours screen on time on my old(now) HTC one m8. Plus I have just rooted it and have got Android 7.1.1 nougat running fine on it. Its still a sweet phone.

I don't see the point turning everything off to make the battery last longer. I use my phone heavily and still get over 5 hours active(screen on) I just charge it every night. If you want your battery to last longer, just turn it off, and only turn it on when you want to text or call.


WOW a whole 5 hours, and if the battery was changeable you would get more.
 
Joined
Mar 26, 2010
Messages
9,781 (1.90/day)
Location
Jakarta, Indonesia
System Name micropage7
Processor Intel Xeon X3470
Motherboard Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. P55A-UD3R (Socket 1156)
Cooling Enermax ETS-T40F
Memory Samsung 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3
Video Card(s) NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800
Storage V-GEN03AS18EU120GB, Seagate 2 x 1TB and Seagate 4TB
Display(s) Samsung 21 inch LCD Wide Screen
Case Icute Super 18
Audio Device(s) Auzentech X-Fi Forte
Power Supply Silverstone 600 Watt
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Sades Excalibur + Taihao keycaps
Software Win 7 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Classified
personally i dont trust with internal battery since
1. you cant check the battery condition Physically
2. for some cases the only way to turn off the device is by taking out the battery
3. some cases when you replace the battery the phone just feels different than before

but the trend is going to get internal
 
D

Deleted member 24505

Guest
i just got a galaxy s7 and love it to bits already, i don't care if it has a fixed battery. I could have got something different, but it is a damn nice phone.
 

AsRock

TPU addict
Joined
Jun 23, 2007
Messages
18,871 (3.07/day)
Location
UK\USA
Processor AMD 3900X \ AMD 7700X
Motherboard ASRock AM4 X570 Pro 4 \ ASUS X670Xe TUF
Cooling D15
Memory Patriot 2x16GB PVS432G320C6K \ G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3238F 2x16GB
Video Card(s) eVga GTX1060 SSC \ XFX RX 6950XT RX-695XATBD9
Storage Sammy 860, MX500, Sabrent Rocket 4 Sammy Evo 980 \ 1xSabrent Rocket 4+, Sammy 2x990 Pro
Display(s) Samsung 1080P \ LG 43UN700
Case Fractal Design Pop Air 2x140mm fans from Torrent \ Fractal Design Torrent 2 SilverStone FHP141x2
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V677 \ Yamaha CX-830+Yamaha MX-630 Infinity RS4000\Paradigm P Studio 20, Blue Yeti
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TX-750 \ Corsair RM1000X Shift
Mouse Steelseries Sensei wireless \ Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard Logitech K120 \ Wooting Two HE
Benchmark Scores Meh benchmarks.
I believe the Galaxy 8 is due April if memory serves me right, with some thing i thought was dumb a wrap around screen.
 
Joined
Jan 17, 2010
Messages
12,280 (2.36/day)
Location
Oregon
System Name Juliette // HTPC
Processor Intel i7 9700K // AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Motherboard ASUS Prime Z390X-A // ASRock B550 ITX-AC
Cooling Noctua NH-U12 Black // Stock
Memory Corsair DDR4 3600 32gb //G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600
Video Card(s) ASUS RTX4070 OC// GTX 1650
Storage Samsung 970 EVO NVMe 1Tb, Intel 665p Series M.2 2280 1TB // Samsung 1Tb SSD
Display(s) ASUS VP348QGL 34" Quad HD 3440 x 1440 // 55" LG 4K SK8000 Series
Case Seasonic SYNCRO Q7// Silverstone Granada GD05
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Scarlett 4i4 // HDMI to Samsung HW-R650 sound bar
Power Supply Seasonic SYNCRO 750 W // CORSAIR Vengeance 650M
Mouse Cooler Master MM710 53G
Keyboard Logitech 920-009300 G512 SE
Software Windows 10 Pro // Windows 10 Pro
Topic is a little vague. If you don't like build in batteries in your phone, Gopro, laptop, tablet, then don't buy it. I find it less necessary to replace batteries. They last plenty long now. Unlike 10 years ago I went threw 6 batteries on my phone. I have a Gopro that it 4 years old and still hold a charge for 2.4 hours. I change phones about every two years. Laptops yea I replace the batteries sometimes
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
40,435 (6.59/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
Topic is a little vague. If you don't like build in batteries in your phone, Gopro, laptop, tablet, then don't buy it. I find it less necessary to replace batteries. They last plenty long now. Unlike 10 years ago I went threw 6 batteries on my phone. I have a Gopro that it 4 years old and still hold a charge for 2.4 hours. I change phones about every two years. Laptops yea I replace the batteries sometimes

unless if there is a defect with it.

I replaced one in my S5 that was BNIB from June 2016, 2 months ago(caused bootloop)- low n behold the battery that came with the phone was Made in China, the replacement was Made in Vietnam and No issues at all
 
Joined
Aug 14, 2013
Messages
91 (0.02/day)
I agree with you built-in battery makes the phone thinner. You can replace the built-in battery. You may not do it by yourself but a mechanic or service center can do it for you.
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
40,435 (6.59/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
I agree with you built-in battery makes the phone thinner. You can replace the built-in battery. You may not do it by yourself but a mechanic or service center can do it for you.

rather not pay someone.
 

FreedomEclipse

~Technological Technocrat~
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
23,359 (3.76/day)
Location
London,UK
System Name Codename: Icarus Mk.VI
Processor Intel 8600k@Stock -- pending tuning
Motherboard Asus ROG Strixx Z370-F
Cooling CPU: BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 {1xCorsair ML120 Pro|5xML140 Pro}
Memory 32GB XPG Gammix D10 {2x16GB}
Video Card(s) ASUS Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 512GB SSD (Boot)|WD SN770 (Gaming)|2x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300|2x 2TB Crucial BX500
Display(s) LG GP850-B
Case Corsair 760T (White)
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V573|Speakers: JBL Control One|Auna 300-CN|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply Corsair AX760
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
Im very late to this but I prefer user swappable batteries as it adds more longevity to devices but manufacturers these days dont want a phone to last years because they lose money due to you not buying the next big thing they release. Making the device a non-user swappable battery means that you become more reliant on the manufacturer should something go wrong not to mention the whole thing about making the device smaller/thinner etc etc -- I dont think that, thats a legit reason. When the phone dies after 1000 charges, you'll be looking at getting a new phone, many people i know would prefer to get a completely new and uptodate handset then get their damaged old one repaired.

For instance the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is still a very very capable handset despite being 3 years old and still has many years to go providing the battery stays decent.

ps.. i think the samsung recall was down to built in batteries.. trying to make the batteries too thin.. it would not have happened with tougher more rigid replaceable batteries..

the Samsung recall was because the design of the phone was 'too aggressive' and they did not leave space for the battery to thermally expand when the battery got warm. They tried to make the phone as thin as possible and they made a mess of it. Samsung tried to innovate but got it wrong
 
D

Deleted member 24505

Guest
Im very late to this but I prefer user swappable batteries as it adds more longevity to devices but manufacturers these days dont want a phone to last years because they lose money due to you not buying the next big thing they release. Making the device a non-user swappable battery means that you become more reliant on the manufacturer should something go wrong not to mention the whole thing about making the device smaller/thinner etc etc -- I dont think that, thats a legit reason. When the phone dies after 1000 charges, you'll be looking at getting a new phone, many people i know would prefer to get a completely new and uptodate handset then get their damaged old one repaired.

For instance the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is still a very very capable handset despite being 3 years old and still has many years to go providing the battery stays decent.



the Samsung recall was because the design of the phone was 'too aggressive' and they did not leave space for the battery to thermally expand when the battery got warm. They tried to make the phone as thin as possible and they made a mess of it. Samsung tried to innovate but got it wrong


I think the Note 4 is one of the best phones Samsung has ever made.
 
Joined
May 18, 2016
Messages
43 (0.01/day)
Location
U.S
Processor AMD FX-4300 Quad Core 3.8 GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3
Cooling 5 Case fans and Cooler master CPU fan
Memory 16GB DDR3 1600MHZ
Video Card(s) EVGA 2GB 950 GTX SSC
Storage 3 1TB Western Digital HDD and Sandisk 240GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung SyncMaster XL2270 And Dell SE198WFP
Case Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-01
Audio Device(s) Creative sound Blaster SE
Power Supply Corsair GS750W
Mouse Razer Deathadder
Keyboard Razer Ornata
Software Windows 10 PRO 64 bit
Benchmark Scores Nothing Yet
Meanwhile, I'm stilling using an almost 5 year old iPhone 4s and the battery still works just fine. I'm not worried about it.

Same here, but don't get the best life even with a new battery.
 

FreedomEclipse

~Technological Technocrat~
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
23,359 (3.76/day)
Location
London,UK
System Name Codename: Icarus Mk.VI
Processor Intel 8600k@Stock -- pending tuning
Motherboard Asus ROG Strixx Z370-F
Cooling CPU: BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 {1xCorsair ML120 Pro|5xML140 Pro}
Memory 32GB XPG Gammix D10 {2x16GB}
Video Card(s) ASUS Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 512GB SSD (Boot)|WD SN770 (Gaming)|2x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300|2x 2TB Crucial BX500
Display(s) LG GP850-B
Case Corsair 760T (White)
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V573|Speakers: JBL Control One|Auna 300-CN|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply Corsair AX760
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
Same here, but don't get the best life even with a new battery.

Probably due to fake batteries or ios has a tonne of bloat added over the years
 
Joined
Feb 25, 2006
Messages
531 (0.08/day)
Location
West Bend, Wisconsin
System Name DELL Inspiron 5400 AIO / HP 17 ca1065cl
Processor 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz / Ryzen 5 3500u
Memory 16GB /12GB
Video Card(s) NVIDIA MX 330 / Radeon Vega 8
Storage 1TB +SSD
Display(s) 23.8 inch touch screen 17.3 touch screen
Case DELL AIO / HP LAPTOP
Mouse Dell Wireless /LOGITECH
Keyboard Dell Wireless / HP LAPTOP
Software WINDOWS 11
Ipads have built in batteries and are ment to be rechargeable they last a long time. and they can be used when plugged in.
 
Top