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That made my day:laugh:

I believe AMD is as aware of this fact as everyone else, so I highly doubt it will disappoint:)

AMD won't go down the pan if performance isn't as good as Intel: they'll simply reduce the price of their processors and carry on, like they've been doing for years.

A dead AMD would be very bad indeed for customers, because Intel would then have a monopoly.
 

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AMD won't go down the pan if performance isn't as good as Intel: they'll simply reduce the price of their processors and carry on, like they've been doing for years.

A dead AMD would be very bad indeed for customers, because Intel would then have a monopoly.

N that would be the day I stop using computers completely
 
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Well, the magical reveal time is almost upon us. Might as well wait it out instead of wasting time bickering over some faked slides and benches.
 

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I know my friend is going to start using Bulldozer - he hasn't shut up about it since March.
 

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why don't we all just cool off for the moment, come back when there are some reviews after the almost certain paper launch b4 September/ Sept 9? (according to seronx) and the likely hard launch on Sept 19th. the only people who are going to know anything b4 then are reviewers and that will only be a couple days b4 launch.
I just want AMD back in the race... if somehow bulldozer can give sandybridge a run for it's money i'll be happy.

Same here. I hope AMD surprise us.
 

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I would like an octacore CPU, but I have no idea what I'd use all those cores for.

I guess I'd just open Task Manager and dreamily stare at all those eight threads. <love> :laugh:
 

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bulldozer won't be even close to a 2600k, check back for new intel cpus in 2013. ivy bridge is just a 22 nm shrink of sandy bridge, so not worth it if you already have a 2600k
Why do you say that? You getting a kick back from Intel from trying to sway the peeps that frequent your site ;)
Nobody can give Amd a break even with new technology. It kinda pisses me off that ppl assume *didnt your dad say never assume* that the BD is going to be slow and useless compared to Intel. Im thinking this time around I'll go with what I get the best bang for the least amount of money....

How is it that ppl can say BD is going to be a flop? Am I the only one that doesn't have a ES chip to know for sure its slow? Am I the only one that's not an Engineer that designed chips? :shadedshu.. And with these final word's I hope BD exceeds everybody's expectations so all the BS stops. :D

Have a great day :rockout:
 

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smaller die size, less heat output, slightly higher clock speed, nothing significant

lga2011 with x79 might be interesting, but it'll only be a minor upgrade for you.

Man I hope your wrong. I really, REALLY hope your wrong.

One positive thing I have seen lately is DICE is using Bulldozer CPU's to demo BF3. So unless you have an inside line on something (which wouldn't surprise me) Ill wait for your review........

Speaking of which will you be reviewing Bulldozer or one of your minions?
 
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I would like an octacore CPU, but I have no idea what I'd use all those cores for.

I guess I'd just open Task Manager and dreamily stare at all those eight threads. <love> :laugh:

Well, You might not use 8 cores but Windows will use all 8 cores

Unless you have thread affinity on...Any program can attach itself to any thread/core

So, if you have 4 programs that can use two cores each, you can either set them up to use a specific thread or let windows do its thing
 
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Why do you say that? You getting a kick back from Intel from trying to sway the peeps that frequent your site ;)
Nobody can give Amd a break even with new technology. It kinda pisses me off that ppl assume *didnt your dad say never assume* that the BD is going to be slow and useless compared to Intel. Im thinking this time around I'll go with what I get the best bang for the least amount of money....

How is it that ppl can say BD is going to be a flop? Am I the only one that doesn't have a ES chip to know for sure its slow? Am I the only one that's not an Engineer that designed chips? :shadedshu.. And with these final word's I hope BD exceeds everybody's expectations so all the BS stops. :D

Have a great day :rockout:

Who said it would be a flop? We all know from experience that people will continue to buy either brand regardless of how much the chips suck. P4, everything phenom...
 

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Well, You might not use 8 cores but Windows will use all 8 cores

Unless you have thread affinity on...Any program can attach itself to any thread/core

So, if you have 4 programs that can use two cores each, you can either set them up to use a specific thread or let windows do its thing

Uber multitasking? Yeah, I guess so. :D

I remember when I got my first dual core Athlon 64 CPU. I ran two instances of Unreal Tournament in separate desktop windows perfectly smoothly, just to show it off. Turned off one of the cores and it all went to pot, with much jerking and slowdown. It was a great geeky demo, which greatly impressed my friends at the time. :) These cool people are no longer friends with me.

I was also running Vista then. :eek:
 
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Uber multitasking? Yeah, I guess so. :D

I remember when I got my first dual core Athlon 64 CPU. I ran two instances of Unreal Tournament in separate desktop windows perfectly smoothly, just to show it off. Turned off one of the cores and it all went to pot, with much jerking and slowdown. It was a great geeky demo, which greatly impressed my friends at the time. :) These cool people are no longer friends with me.

I was also running Vista then. :eek:

Well actually, you can run 4 threads on 1 "Bulldozer" core but AMD and other people don't recommend it something that affects coherency

But, that was my point

I run 3 programs...(I don't have a hexa-core)

I am pretty sure 2 of those programs use all available cores and the 1 program is a game which might and might not use 4 cores, but getting an octo-core or hexa-core I am able to increase the first 2 programs outcome performance that I run with such game
 

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Well actually, you can run 4 threads on 1 "Bulldozer" core but AMD and other people don't recommend it something that affects coherency

Then it must use some form of hyperthreading? I know that's an Intel term, but you know what I mean.
 
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Then it must use some form of hyperthreading? I know that's an Intel term, but you know what I mean.

It's not Hyperthreading and the OS and Programs don't see it

Windows games will only see 1 thread and Windows applications will only see 1 thread and Windows will only see 1 thread

If you program carefully in Linux or some other open source OS you can probably make programs that can exploit 4 threads on 1 core but on Windows you won't ever see it
 

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It's not Hyperthreading and the OS and Programs don't see it

Windows games will only see 1 thread and Windows applications will only see 1 thread and Windows will only see 1 thread

If you program carefully in Linux or some other open source OS you can probably make programs that can exploit 4 threads on 1 core but on Windows you won't ever see it

I'm really confused now. A core can run any number of threads. They are simply time-sliced together by the OS as part of it's normal multitasking and interrupt functions, so at any one time, there can be hundreds of active threads.
 
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I'm really confused now. A core can run any number of threads. They are simply time-sliced together by the OS as part of it's normal multitasking and interrupt functions, so at any one time, there can be hundreds of active threads.

I'm going to stop talking about "Bulldozers" ability to Dispatch 4 threads to a core/Process 4 threads in a core/Retire 4 threads in a core/per cycle(non-timespliced)

In most cases this has to be programmed for it to do it over long periods of time

It also comes with a hefty performance drop

There is only 2 64bit EX(ALU) pipelines and 2 64bit AGen(AGLU) pipelines, AMD said it's a 6x performance drop over 1 thread(<-- what AMD has said)

Windows will only see 1 thread and most programs will use only 1 thread...
 
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Zambezi will use Globalfoundries’ 32nm SoI (silicon on Insulator) manufacturing process, which is no surprise, and each die is said to measure a hefty 315mm2. Server and workstation versions of Bulldozer CPUs should ship in September.

So that means that consumer level CPUs should hit later than September? Hmmm, I'm confused. If they wait any longer it'll be Christmas!!
 
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I just purchased an i5 2500k and I love the thing. But that being said I am really hoping that bulldozer will destroy my sandy bridge in performance. I definitely prefer AMD and would love to switch back to them down the road!
 

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No useful data out but I'm going with them for many reasons.

A bit on the real long side but oh well, it's fun but I'm also very tired of what logic people go by when buying computers or how they can cut their own throats in the process by illusions....
and now...... Facts.... Or what facts....

And so far the real answer to this is "what facts!!"
I am going to go far afield with this topic be warned. I always do this, I can't take narrow minded view on this topic.

There isn't enough real information out on this cpu to go by and all we can do is hope AMD has a winner. Even if they are halfway between Intel's top of the line and AMD's current cpu they may be called a winner but what counts in the long run for every computer owner/user is how well AMD can sell them. And if they get software support to make the most of their new design it may also have more performance to come.
I equate people that take a wait and see for the next build or two to the nice workers at British Leyland Automotive. They thought if they went on strike enough they would end up making more money but instead they lost their jobs and closed the factory. Sideline watchers are problematic at best.

Intel junkies take note of this because I really doubt many remember how much Intel cpus cost (their 286 line) long ago before AMD and Cyrix came onto the market. Their current cpus are cheap compared to those. And you needed a FPU chip if you wanted to do autocad. What a nightmare those days were. My old Atari ST was better and had a better OS than windows 3.1 but who cares.
If AMD can't get sales into the high end and get a lot of user support they might not last long enough to come out with any next generation cpu. Or they might but it will be a very hard thing to do and take longer like this one did..
This is a worst case issue but I've spent enough time working at Intel long ago to know how important these sales are to AMD and just as important or more so is their R&D department costs. This is where they really need to thrive to live.
I hope people can see past the less than reliable hardware hype that dare I say makes gullible buyers go one direction or the other even if it doesn't really matter when they get the system working at home and expect wonders. It's not like that in the real world at least for home use.
Current AMD cpu's for home systems perform more than good enough to run most any software at them just fine and buying because you get a few extra FPS is not all that smart.
This really only applies to professional users of Audio and Video and other area's where time is money and Intel is the logical way to go. Home users it's a lot of clap trap propaganda at it's worst. What ever.
If AMD can't support their R&D budget and keep innovation going everyone will suffer. And at the current die size any new shrink is more expensive than most can even imagine, it's very expensive. They are slamming into the atomic barriers and have to go with radical designs past just adding more cores to the die.

They are doing a lot better at the low end market sales but this is also low profit area. They need high end sales.
With AMD and ATI merged it's even more important. In the off chance they can't make good sales and get bought up and taken apart with a wrecking ball you can look forward to paying as much for a Intel cpu as your paying now for a complete system and what happenes to ATI is also a worry if Nvidia is pretty much the only one left I will see my days of new computers at a end.
If AMD does well and they continue to work on merging the CPU and GPU they could come out with the top of the line FPU/APU/CPU chip that just maybe for science mainframes and other math related systems and make some serious money. But that market is seeing quantum computers starting to emerge now, not on a large scale but they got them working and it's only a matter of time for this market It's all kind of fuzzy in this market in the next few or 10 years or so.
That is only conjecture though but I'm sure they are looking into a complete merge or giving it a serious thought or more, hard to say but one can hope....
They have done well in the APU market and at least it's giving them some room but not enough for the long run.
I'll stick with AMD, I've yet to have any problems running any games or apps. The video card makes more impact and even going with a SSD changes the picture more than the cpu does.
Intel and AMD, They are fairly close in many area's and for home use it's not that big a deal. Keeping AMD alive is a big deal.
I tend to take the long term views and am not in the look at me crowd. I can get by with a cheaper and just as useful system and don't worry about keeping up with the Jones's next door illusion.
The only fun I'll get is if AMD gets axed will get to read the outrage posts about the cost of Intel cpu's. A told you so would be pointless at that time. But at least it will be good for a little dark humor just the same.

It all comes down to what are you going to do with your computer and what impact it would make going one way or the other. A money making related issue is different but just a home system for games and watching multimedia. Then either cpu will do the job and I'd rather save money on the cpu and put in into real performance area's like video cards and more memory and a better SSD or two. And also doing my small part trying to keep the future computers affordable and will try AMD's new cpu. Got a motherboard waiting for it with a 6 core. It's speed right now is impressive so I'll wait a few months to iron out which one I want to get..

If buying just to impress people is the goal here is a tip, go with AMD and save the extra money for a nice couch to talk to the mind molders. It's that crazy.

This is why, the Theory of Relativity can be applied to many issues and products. If Intel had a slower cpu than AMD's current ones everyone would be creaming their jeans after buying one of AMD's finest and going ape over how fast it is. But now a slightly faster Intel one is out and now they say how slow AMD cpus are.
Everything is relative. This would make good old Albert roll over in his grave... haha.... This is the parts that I get such a kick over.
Posting this on a hardware site is not going to sit well I'm sure ts are done on top line systems that give no real user data for upgrades as few have systems like that or they wouldn't be updated in the first place so the numbers are for the most users meaningless.
But I hope I gave at least some people that can think at longer wavelengths something to think about. It's all an illusion.
 
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I just purchased an i5 2500k and I love the thing. But that being said I am really hoping that bulldozer will destroy my sandy bridge in performance. I definitely prefer AMD and would love to switch back to them down the road!

The i5 2500K has no clear competition with AMDs lineup as their will be no pure "Quad-Core" setup(A CMP setup)

The only thing in it's range is the Llano's A8-A6 that are quad-cores in a CMP sense

Bobcat is going to be a dual core CMP only
Bulldozer is going to be a module CMT only

i5 2500K = Good purchase ;)
 
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