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Because the actual bandwidth is so close, the lower latencies pay off more. I'd give credit to whoever mentioned that before, but I'm too lazy to look to see who it was.



Sounds like a good plan.:rockout:

1T can add in 300-500MB/sec, depending on overall ram speed. Some times more, sometimes, less...

No problem! I'm learning here too...not so much about the memory, but definately about your board!



Write recovery time = 6......this should go to 8 above 1000mhz.


Precharge time = 4.......5 might bring more stability, but of course, tighter beings more performance....best to try and see what works best for you.


Row Cycle time = 24.........TRC is a very important timing. UP will slow the mem, down, more performance. 20-26 is normal settings, and you are right near midway..seems good to me, but again, play with and see what's best.


RAS to RAS delay = 3....this won't hcange much, no matter what memory is installed. as teh frequency goes up, so must this timing..but..for example, with DDR3 @ 1733, I run 4. You won't get 2...but going up won't give you much either.


I love doing this stuff...companies could send me parts, let me play, and I'd be more than willing to report back and send the stuff back, no cost to them. Going back in the past to like D975x chipsets, I've been talking about settings we needed as users long before they were available. My OCD means I try everything...even if there is a bit of a formula for these settings. We really need this info out for AMD set-ups, as many people, including OEMs, are pretty lost when it comes to mem tweaking on AMD...AMD seems to love Samsung HCF0, and the new elpida BBSE memory ICs( for DDR3)...but bios support must be there first, as there are far more timings that we just don't see.




FYI...4-4-4-12, or 4-4-4-15 is best for your DIMMs, and hence your issues going lower. Typically, you add up the first three to get the fourth...OK?;)

100% agree memory tweaking is a art, company's need to guide us better to what setting is what, for me i learned the hard way with this m2n sli-deluxe, its sad for a old motherboard it has loads of memory tweaking options, i've found on average most new motherboards don't come even come close to what the m2n-sli deluxe has, this is why i don't prefer gigabyte for am2/3 socket, not sure about intel though
 

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Why do you rase your FSB so much? Your CPU is a "Black". Up the multi and lower the FSB. Thats way to much strain on a NB at those settings. AMD chips are FAR different than Intels. You want to stay AWAY from the FSB if you can.

i beg the differ, upping the fsb doesn't do no harm on any components, unless nb/ hyper transport or pci-e clock is set to over the limit
 

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Why do you rase your FSB so much? Your CPU is a "Black". Up the multi and lower the FSB. Thats way to much strain on a NB at those settings. AMD chips are FAR different than Intels. You want to stay AWAY from the FSB if you can.

:respect:


I think you just like disagreeing with whatever I post. Looks good on ya.:laugh:


:slap:


:D


But yes, you are right...to a degree. Stressing the NB?

Hardly.


Barely useful 24/7?

Usually...but great for benchies.


:rockout:
 

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lol even north bridge at 2800mhz doesn't do any harm, also running 326fsb 24/7

TheMailMan78 only reason he used fsb was to overclock hes memory
 
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what becomes more stressed when using 4 sticks of ram , do 4 sticks limit OC potential?
 

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who u asking
 
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what becomes more stressed when using 4 sticks of ram , do 4 sticks limit OC potential?

:cool: using 4 sticks puts stress on the memory controller there for it does limit OC potential but only by a small margin
 

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what becomes more stressed when using 4 sticks of ram , do 4 sticks limit OC potential?

Depends on the cpu. Not for me, it doesn't. I run 4 sticks @ 1t, unganged. 1733mhz 7-7-7-18-1t seems just fine...only need 1.3625 on NB too(which is well belows AMD's rated max of 1.425). But maybe I got a 720BE with a good memcontroller, and a bad 4th core...actually I know i do ;)
 

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like i said only by a small margin, also u need to bump vdimm voltage up a notch, also mb temps goes up a few degrees, cause of memory controller is working that much harder to maintain steady bandwidth between the memory & cpu
 

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Ok if you guys say so. Ive seen many dead mobos from stressing the NB to much. But hey to each their own.
 
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Depends on the cpu. Not for me, it doesn't. I run 4 sticks @ 1t, unganged. 1733mhz 7-7-7-18-1t seems just fine...only need 1.3625 on NB too(which is well belows AMD's rated max of 1.425). But maybe I got a 720BE with a good memcontroller, and a bad 4th core...actually I know i do ;)
nice memory speed. since u mention NB voltage, i take it 4 sticks at such speed with 1t stress northbridge more?
 

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nice memory speed. since u mention NB voltage, i take it 4 sticks at such speed with 1t stress northbridge more?

According to him you cant hurt the NB. However I disagree.
 

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Depends on the cpu. Not for me, it doesn't. I run 4 sticks @ 1t, unganged. 1733mhz 7-7-7-18-1t seems just fine...only need 1.3625 on NB too(which is well belows AMD's rated max of 1.425). But maybe I got a 720BE with a good memcontroller, and a bad 4th core...actually I know i do ;)

depends on the motherboard & with a good stepping of a cpu, in your case ether u have a good batch cpu, or your motherboard clocks well, it all boils down to luck
 

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According to him you cant hurt the NB. However I disagree.

Mobo NB? You mean chipset? NB is in cpu. Maybe we are crossing info here due to bad naming schemes from AMD...again...

I run 300 "FSB"...default volts(1.1v).

But yeah, you may be right about the chipset, but if it does stress or break the mobo, that's due to bad bios programming, or poor quality chips/poor board design/power delivery. Fact of the matter is the the Crosshair 3 Formula was specifically designed for "FSB" clocking, so my perspective might be skewed.

If you are refering to the NB...which is in the cpu, then no, it's definately NOT going to stress it.


Let me say, noone in the "top tier" of overclockers is really running AMD...and those that are, under LN2, Lh2, are running 3800mhz NB+++, and 6ghz cpu. only under those conditions is there any real concern...I've had my board since just before the public release, and if anything, it clocks better with age...and as long as you keep temps and volts in check, there's nothing to worry about. AMD has all this info in thier white papers, in regard to maximum volts and temps...stay under those margins, and you should be good to go.

depends on the motherboard & with a good stepping of a cpu, in your case ether u have a good batch cpu, or your motherboard clocks well, it all boils down to luck


I ALWAYS buy good batches. Even on Intel....spent MONTHS looking for my qx9650...got one of the best there has ever been. You can search for my posts on XS about that cpu, as well as batch-finding, and how to find a good cpu.


nice memory speed. since u mention NB voltage, i take it 4 sticks at such speed with 1t stress northbridge more?

Only enough to raise temps by 3c...hardly what I would call "stressful".

Mind you, I'm also not afraid to pump 1.6v through my 45nm cpus. 7 months and counting..still alive, no loss of clocks.


I think some people are thinking AMD silicon is like Intel silicon, which WOULD take damage from too much stress...and does. Lots of i7 problems from running too high mem volts...not the case on AMD. AMD transistor design actually uses less current than intel (.7 on AMD vs .8 on INtel), and thereby can take a bit more punishment.
 
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Why do you rase your FSB so much? Your CPU is a "Black". Up the multi and lower the FSB. Thats way to much strain on a NB at those settings. AMD chips are FAR different than Intels. You want to stay AWAY from the FSB if you can.
Hell why you need to ask thAT q??

By all means raise the fsb and play with the multi to get a good blend of fsb+memory bandwidth and all the extra goodies that come with it. :slap: Dude,,, you know that :wtf:
 

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Mobo NB? You mean chipset? NB is in cpu. Maybe we are crossing info here due to bad naming schemes from AMD...again...

I run 300 "FSB"...default volts(1.1v).

But yeah, you may be right about the chipset, but if it does stress or break the mobo, that's due to bad bios programming, or poor quality chips/poor board design/power delivery. Fact of the matter is the the Crosshair 3 Formula was specifically designed for "FSB" clocking, so my perspective might be skewed.

If you are refering to the NB...which is in the cpu, then no, it's definately NOT going to stress it.


Let me say, noone in the "top tier" of overclockers is really running AMD...and those that are, under LN2, Lh2, are running 3800mhz NB+++, and 6ghz cpu. only under those conditions is there any real concern...I've had my board since just before the public release, and if anything, it clocks better with age...and as long as you keep temps and volts in check, there's nothing to worry about. AMD has all this info in thier white papers, in regard to maximum volts and temps...stay under those margins, and you should be good to go.




I ALWAYS buy good batches. Even on Intel....spent MONTHS looking for my qx9650...got one of the best there has ever been. You can search for my posts on XS about that cpu, as well as batch-finding, and how to find a good cpu.




Only enough to raise temps by 3c...hardly what I would call "stressful".

Mind you, I'm also not afraid to pump 1.6v through my 45nm cpus. 7 months and counting..still alive, no loss of clocks.


I think some people are thinking AMD silicon is like Intel silicon, which WOULD take damage from too much stress...and does. Lots of i7 problems from running too high mem volts...not the case on AMD. AMD transistor design actually uses less current than intel (.7 on AMD vs .8 on INtel), and thereby can take a bit more punishment.

You're right. I was thinking chip set. Upping the FSB to much will fry your chip set. 7xx series boards from my experiance do not like anything above 15% OC.

Also anything above 1.44v on a 45nm CPU will cause chip degradation. This I wont debate.

Hell why you need to ask thAT q??

By all means raise the fsb and play with the multi to get a good blend of fsb+memory bandwidth and all the extra goodies that come with it. :slap: Dude,,, you know that :wtf:

Because look at what he set the multi at. Its way low. Hes trying to get a good OC via the fsb only and ignoring the easiest route. The multi AND risking his mobo in the process. Can you do it sure. But it ain't as safe.
 

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You're right. I was thinking chip set. Upping the FSB to much will fry your chip set. 7xx series boards from my experiance do not like anything above 15% OC.

Also anything above 1.44v on a 45nm CPU will cause chip degradation. This I wont debate.


I guess I must have exceptional luck with both my cpu and mobo purchases...because I'm pushing way over what you say will kill, and have been, for MONTHS. I also tend ot push more than anyone else, period. What peopel call "great clocks"...is mediocre at best, to me.

Of course, yes it is possible I got exceptional parts...I usually do. Heck, Foxconn staff gave me BlackOps for my birthday last year.


Look what I'm running right this second(due to helping out the OP here, normally I run 300FSBx12.5):



Temps under prime, on air, with true120:




Like I said before...read AMD whitepapers...you won't argue, but AMD rates max for Phenom2 as 1.55v cpu, and 1,425 NB(which considers stock cooling, not under TRUE like I use). They don't know thier own products?


You're just arguing my points, shall I link you the offical AMD info that says you are wrong?

And yes, notice the stock chipset volts, low NB volts, high cpu volts, and DDR3 @ 2.0v
 

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Sorry to intrude in your little argument guys, but how often do 720 BE's hit 4GHz under safe (1.44v) voltages?
 

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I guess I must have exceptional luck with both my cpu and mobo purchases...because I'm pushing way over what you say will kill, and have been, for MONTHS. I also tend ot push more than anyone else, period. What peopel call "great clocks"...is mediocre at best, to me.

Of course, yes it is possible I got exceptional parts...I usually do. Heck, Foxconn staff gave me BlackOps for my birthday last year.


Look what I'm running right this second(due to helping out the OP here, normally I run 300FSBx12.5):

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30967&stc=1&d=1259458209

Temps under prime, on air, with true120:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30968&stc=1&d=1259458307


Like I said before...read AMD whitepapers...you won't argue, but AMD rates max for Phenom2 as 1.55v cpu, and 1,425 NB(which considers stock cooling, not under TRUE like I use). They don't know thier own products?


You're just arguing my points, shall I link you the offical AMD info that says you are wrong?

And yes, notice the stock chipset volts, low NB volts, high cpu volts, and DDR3 @ 2.0v

I didn't say you can't run it. What I said is it will cause chip degradation. Which it will. 1.55 is max before you fry it under stock cooling. Never mind the degradation. It may last months. Hell it may last a year or so but not much past that.

Not everyone replaces their components every six months.

Sorry to intrude in your little argument guys, but how often do 720 BE's hit 4GHz under safe (1.44v) voltages?

I wasnt able to do it. However some can. FYI I sold that chip......the guy loves it ;)
 
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Oh why must you smite me like this? :laugh:

Well I told ya I would have backed up the sale man. IF she was bad I would have taken care of it for you.
 

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I didn't say you can't run it. What I said is it will cause chip degradation. Which it will. 1.55 is max before you fry it under stock cooling. Never mind the degradation. It may last months. Hell it may last a year or so but not much past that.
Actually, AMD says 1.55v BEFORE DEGREDATION. Maybe you should do the research before discussing with me. You know that 965BE stock voltage is 1.425?

Not everyone replaces their components every six months.

What does that have to do with anything? I don't either...Still have XBX2, RD600, P965 systems running FAH 24/7.

I DO buy new parts very often...but not replace...I enjoy the tweaking...start some testing, pick up my guitar, and play away...



I wasnt able to do it. However some can. FYI I sold that chip......the guy loves it ;)

probably 1 in every 300 or so does 4ghz period, nevermind with less than 1.5v. to get good clocking chips that might do that, you need to do "stepping" research.

Sorry to intrude in your little argument guys, but how often do 720 BE's hit 4GHz under safe (1.44v) voltages?

NO argument, just discussion. I think we both might be enjoying it too. :laugh:
 
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Well I told ya I would have backed up the sale man. IF she was bad I would have taken care of it for you.

That was a rhetorical question! I know you would've stuck to your word but I just didn't want any potential problems, it was nothing personal with you. I almost forgot about it until you reminded me. :p
 

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Actually, AMD says 1.55v BEFORE DEGREDATION. Maybe you should do the research before discussing with me. You know that 965BE stock voltage is 1.425?
1.42 is a far cry from 1.55v. Also link me to the white sheet that says before degradation. I've never read that. Also why do I need to do stepping research?
 
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