can my computer handle this card?

[DaMulta]

He doesn't need a high end cpu to use a gpu. He just won't see 100% of the performance that he could. I think he should get the card then upgrade the cpu later unless he can afford to get a new psu and cpu and gpu.

so.....higher end card with slower cpu is better than mid-low card with mid low cpu.

 

[DrPepper]

so.....higher end card with slower cpu is better than mid-low card with mid low cpu.

You mean that a 2ghz cpu with a 4870 against a 3ghz cpu with a 4670

The 4870 will be faster. Either way if he gets the midrange card and later on gets a faster cpu he will have to upgrade them again.

 

[Darren]

True but I wouldn't skimp on the gpu just because the cpu isn't fast enough because in the future he will end up paying more anyway if he does that.

Dunno, what is the point running a GPU that is being bottlenecked, if it was a little bottleneck perhaps, but he most likely running an early Core 2 Duo?, heck for all we know it could be a solo or single core Pentium 4.

He would get more performance out of getting the 4830 and a cheap E7xxx/8xxx CPU than having a first generation core 2 solo or E4200 (he might have a Pentium D or Pentium 4) and a 4870 - financially it will cost about the same, but performance wise i'd go for the first.


All I'm saying is until he tells us the full name of his CPU we are not really in a position to advise him correctly.

 

[DrPepper]

Dunno, what is the point running a GPU that is being bottlenecked, if it was a little bottleneck perhaps, but he most likely running an early Core 2 Duo?, heck for all we know it could be a solo or single core Pentium 4.

He would get more performance out of getting the 4830 and a cheap E7xxx/8xxx CPU than having a first generation core 2 solo or E4200 (he might have a Pentium D or Pentium 4) and a 4870 - financially it will cost about the same, but performance wise i'd go for the first.


All I'm saying is until he tells us the full name of his CPU we are not really in a position to advise him correctly.

Indeed but I was saying that the 4870 even if the cpu is bottlenecking them will have at least the same performance of a 4830 with the potential for more.

 

[JanJan]

i think my cpu is core 2 duo. I'm thinking of another alternative may be a 9800gt or 9800gtx.
This is the one i'm considering
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

can my v-500 power supply and cpu handle this card ?

if not then is there any other card i should consider? (without changing the psu perhaps)

 

[JrRacinFan]

Without changing power supply?

An HD4670.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102820

 

[JanJan]

and why not 9800gt or 9800gtx? 6pin connections thing? )X
if i go with hd4670 then hd4670 1gb is a can?

 

[ShadowFold]

Your power supply doesn't have a PCIE connector. It probably won't be able to handle any card that requires a connector.

 

[cdawall]

the best options are this and this

overkill his system consists of a C2D, DDR2, a couple drives and good GPU wont pull more than 300w at full load with an ipod and 8 phones charging on the USB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101021

That would work well or if you can up your budget might as well get something that will last you a bit longer...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011

i have the 1st one in a build i made for my GF A64, DFI infinity NF4 roll 8400GS and a couple drives. PSU doesn't even get warm

The Topower psu only has 2 sata power cables...just in case you have 2 sata optical and 2 sata hd's...

This one is about the same price and free shipping, more sata connectors, more power efficient, and the 2 rails are about the same 18-20 rating:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702010

BFG PSU's are no were near the performance out of that topower. it would be better to get a molex to SATA connector

minimum psu for 4870 is 500watts, afaik. getting a higher rated PSU would suffice for future upgrades.

they put that rating on them for poeple who buy garbage PSU's we put a 9800GT on a 250w LiteOn PSU it has been running for 6 months no issues.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341002

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153036

overkill by a long shot

i think my cpu is core 2 duo. I'm thinking of another alternative may be a 9800gt or 9800gtx.
This is the one i'm considering
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

can my v-500 power supply and cpu handle this card ?

if not then is there any other card i should consider? (without changing the psu perhaps)

it can however coolmax PSU's are no all that great you would be better off with this


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817342017


way better PSU and only $45

then you can get this GPU ($109 AMIR)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127402

4830 1GB should oc to the same level as a 4870 so you loose none of the performance and stay at the same price as just a 4870

 

[JanJan]

my case is thermaltake vd3000 bwa (has transparant side). will it be able to fit any of the cards recommended?

http://www.circotech.com/thermaltake-vd3000bwa-vd3000swa-matrix-vx-aluminum-computer-case.html

 

[nafets]

Like I said before, there is no need to to a complete overhaul of your system right now, if money is an issue.

A simple GPU upgrade of an HD4830/50 or a 9800GT/GTS 250, would bring a huge performance increase over your 8400GS. Anything more than that would be a waste of money paired with your current setup.

There wouldn't be any reason to get a new PSU for any of the above cards I listed. You shouldn't have any problem using a single 6-pin PCI-E -> 4-pin Molex adapter.

When you start figuring in adding this and that, and totalling it all up, you might as well do a full rebuild of your system. But for just a single upgrade, any of the above listed video cards would be a great way to go, for a small worthwhile investment...

 

[cdawall]

my case is thermaltake vd3000 bwa (has transparant side). will it be able to fit any of the cards recommended?

http://www.circotech.com/thermaltake-vd3000bwa-vd3000swa-matrix-vx-aluminum-computer-case.html

if you have a HDD that lines up with it then it will need to be moved but other than that you can fit any card we have listed so far

 

[JanJan]

just a quick question. When i look at newegg, how come there are some card like this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130416
even more expensive than this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

would these two be a good combination for my computer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101021 (this power supply have the 6pin connections right? (just in case i want to upgrade to something like the 4870 later))
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

 

[LittleLizard]

just a quick question. When i look at newegg, how come there are some card like this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130416
even more expensive than this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

would these two be a good combination for my computer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101021 (this power supply have the 6pin connections right? (just in case i want to upgrade to something like the 4870 later))
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

that psu is good. it handle a 4870/90 without trouble but the videocard is overpriced. get this one or this one

they have the same performance of the one u choose at a lower price point

EDIT: i said that the one u choose is overpriced, the 4870/4890 are one of the best bang for ur buck right now

 

[JanJan]

i see the 2 cards that you recommend HD 4850 512MB and GeForce GTS 250 512MB are about the same price as 9800 gtx 1gb.

by saying price point you mean how much of performance i can get out of a price right? so the HD 4850 512MB and GeForce GTS 250 512MB will perform better?

(little note: what is the 4870/4890 card thing all about? i thought you're recommending the 4850 and gts 250)

 

[Darren]

just a quick question. When i look at newegg, how come there are some card like this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130416
even more expensive than this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

would these two be a good combination for my computer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817101021 (this power supply have the 6pin connections right? (just in case i want to upgrade to something like the 4870 later))
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143179

EVGA 512-P3-N879-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB @ $174.99, that is a very very very bad deal, its way overpriced do not buy that.

BFG Tech BFGE981024GTXPOCE GeForce 9800 GTX+ 1GB @ $139.99 is a good deal, I would recommend you buy this out of the two GPUs that you posted

However.

You may be better off spending £10 more and purchasing the, SPARKLE SXS2501024D3-NM GeForce GTS 250 1GB @ $149.99, although it is derived from the 9800 series it is clocked higher by default so performance is better, around 5-20% better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187069

I think you should also look into the HIS Hightech H485FN1GP Radeon HD 4850 1GB @ $158.99, otherwise get the GTS250 1GB for $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161275

Also.


Forget about the ATI 4870, keep that card out your head. The 4870 (DDR4/512MB) isn't much faster than the GTS250 1GB or 9800 GTX+ 1GB or 1 GB ATI 4850, a few frame rate difference separates these cards at best(5-15 FPS). Secondly as it was said previously the 4870 will not perform at 50% of its intended speed with your slow processor. I'm even confused if you'll even see 50% of the performance on the GTS250 1GB or 9800GTX+ or ATI 4850, but in either event it is a HUGE upgrade from your current 8400 GS is not really a gaming GPU anyways.

So to summarise:

1.) Get either the ATI 4850 1 GB @ $158.99 or GTS250 1 GB @ $149.99
2.) Your CPU is weak and you will not see maximum performance on ANY of today’s GPUs
3.) ATI 4870 will be severely bottlenecked too and isn't massively faster, so forget about it!
4.) Contemplate upgrading your processor if you want high end GPUs
5.) Buy PSUs recommended by fellow thread posters


PS. That PSU looks like junk, I'd recommend buying on of the PSUs suggested to previously.


Edit:

Do not touch the 512 MB version of the GTS250 as they are 9800 GTX+ in a different box, either get the 1 GB version of the GTS250 or the ATI 4850 (preferably the 1 GB 4850)




Edit 2:

But speaking sideways I stick by my frist recommendation, your CPU is best suited towards the ATI 4830, the money saved can be put towards CPU such as the E5200 which you can overclock like crazy, or a E7xxx/8xxx series if overclocking isn't your thing.

The ATI 4830 @ $89.99---->

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102822

and put the financial savings towards... Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz @ $119

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115206&Tpk=E7400

 

[LittleLizard]

i see the 2 cards that you recommend HD 4850 512MB and GeForce GTS 250 512MB are about the same price as 9800 gtx 1gb.

by saying price point you mean how much of performance i can get out of a price right? so the HD 4850 512MB and GeForce GTS 250 512MB will perform better?

(little note: what is the 4870/4890 card thing all about? i thought you're recommending the 4850 and gts 250)

i recomend those 2 cause they are sligthly more cheap than the 9800gtx+ u choose. and the 1gb of memory on the one u choose is worthless. still is a nice card. if u can afford a 4870, then buy it as is one of the best cards in price/performance.

 

[JanJan]

talking about cpu, if i want to buy another processor, let's say about $200, which one should i get?

 

[cdawall]

talking about cpu, if i want to buy another processor, let's say about $150, which one should i get? (or any good processor, doesn't have to hit the $150 range)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

that one hands down

or this if you have to be under $150

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056

 

[LittleLizard]

talking about cpu, if i want to buy another processor, let's say about $200, which one should i get?

i would rather get a good motherboard with full support for 45nm duos and quad cores.

for a good deal get this

 

[Darren]

talking about cpu, if i want to buy another processor, let's say about $200, which one should i get?

If you are content with spending the entire budget, you can get a Q6600 quad core for $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018

Otherwise, the E7xxx/E8xxx in which cdawall recommended, which would also complement the GPUs I recommended in my previous (#41) post well

 

[JrRacinFan]

@JanJan

Just in case your still looking for a power supply....


http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=84804

 

[Polarman]

You can check out this "Certified PSU" list.

http://game.amd.com/us-en/crossfire_certified.aspx?cat=3

 

[JanJan]

sorry for reviving this almost dead thread but i have another question

since i live all the way out here in Hawaii, shipping is quite a pain for me. So i decided to go with combos to lessen shipping fee.
here are combos i'm looking at:

AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz / HD 4850 1 gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.180860

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz / HD 4850 1gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.180877

E8400 / gts 250 1 gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.179449


this psu is optional though: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005


are they good combos? can all those processor get the fullest out of the graphic card? do i need to buy the psu to handle the combos?

once again my mother board is P5LD2-X / 1333
current power supply is AP-550X (V-500) (500 watts)

oh, and recommendation too pls

 

[Studabaker]

I would go with the E8400 / gts 250 1 gb kit, but that's because I left AMD for Intel after seeing their benchmarks in gaming... and the only reason I go with nVidia over ATI is PhysX otherwise I would say get the Phenom II X4 with the 4850.

I ran a 9800GT off the 4-pin Molex to 6-pin PCI-E adapter and it worked fine. Your PSU should have the juice to handle that system fairly well and I wouldn't go for a new one until you've tried it.